2017-2018 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Analysis: As one <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> men's basketball season ends, the next one about to begin. What will it look like? <a href="https://t.co/shfQ1DxP2o">https://t.co/shfQ1DxP2o</a> <a href="https://t.co/KiBthjFvn0">pic.twitter.com/KiBthjFvn0</a></p>— Tom Noie (@tnoieNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/tnoieNDI/status/843575438089904128">March 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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IF colson decides to come back next year this team could be pretty special. Colson will get stronger in offseason and be probably even better in the post. Farrell will probably end up being our go to guy for clutch shots. Rex is always gonna be strong on D, now if he can learn to drive and finish that would be awesome. Ryan hopefully decides to stay cause he could be a threat at anytime to go off and score, he just needs to learn how to play D. Geben and Torres hopefully give good minutes next year. Gibbs will get a ton of minutes next year and hopefully he can make the most of it cause he will be a great talent. I'm extremely excited to see how well Djogo is. I saw him at practice and he looked athletic and long. Harvey is very athletic and can score at will. I hope he translates to college ball quick cause he could be an awesome asset to this team next year. Mooney and Burns will hopefully get some time next year. When I was at practice Burns was extremely vocal. He was very loud on the defensive end. Let's hope he can learn on the offensive side this off season cause he can defiantly bring some intensity with him.
 

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Maybe something to look forward to next season assuming Bonzie returns...

The last 13 games of the season, he went 16/25 (64%) on 3s, and in the prior 23 games he shot 9/35 (26%) on 3s.

In those 13 games, he averaged 21.6 per game. In the prior 23 games he averaged 15.6 per game.

Maybe this was just a fluke hot shooting streak (and there's way no way to expect him to keep up that shooting percentage), but I'm hoping this big increase in scoring can be attributed to the fact he had to be defended far away from the basket by the end of the year which he was able to exploit.

The offense started clearly running through him by the end of the year, so there were more opportunities for him. Still, it's exciting to think of what he can do if he really works on his outside shooting this offseason.
 

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I think it would be best for him to return. As great of a player that he is, I'm not sure he'll find a home in the NBA. There are a lot of guys with great wingspans in the NBA that will offset the advantage he enjoys now and he doesn't have the quickness to defend the three like he'll need to be able to.

Having said that, he's a warrior and that can carry you pretty far.
 

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Looks like Brey will have a unique challenge next year with utilizing a deeper bench. Certainly it's a good problem to have, because he typically has 7 guys to play at his disposal. Looking forward to the development of Gibbs from year 1 to year 2. He logged some great experience at the tail end of the season in both the ACC and NCAA tournament.
 

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The 2017-18 team should be pretty darn good. Having Ferrell and Colson back will obviously be huge. I expect Gibbs to take a big step forward in minutes and production as well. I'm hoping one of, or both, Mooney or Burns can develop into a big man that Brey can rely on. It will be exciting to see what Harvey can do his freshman year.

If they can win 26 games this season, there isn't a reason they shouldn't win more than that next year.
 
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Bonzie doesn't need to come back, it's not like he's going to get taller or become more skilled of a scorer (because he already is very skilled), but if he does, he should focus on his fitness big time. I think that's the only area he can improve - broaden those shoulders and cut some fat.

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Why would Bonzie not come back?? I brought this up during the season and it sounded like there was next to no call for him to leave early... has that changed??
 
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Why would Bonzie not come back?? I brought this up during the season and it sounded like there was next to no call for him to leave early... has that changed??

Kind of a catch 22 to me. He's not going to get a high draft pick at all, but what else does he have to improve? It's not like he needs another year in college to improve his shot, decision making, footwork, etc. Those are already great. Hence my post about coming back to improve his fitness, because that's the only thing I think he can improve with another year, and it's not like he's missing out on a 1st round pick by doing so.
 

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I know you can always come back to get your degree. I know you can take summer classes and blah blah blah... But Bonzie has no real incentive to leave, while having all the reasons to stay. Get stronger, work on his outside shot, and get his degree. He isn't going to slide waiting a year.
 

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I know you can always come back to get your degree. I know you can take summer classes and blah blah blah... But Bonzie has no real incentive to leave, while having all the reasons to stay. Get stronger, work on his outside shot, and get his degree. He isn't going to slide waiting a year.

This is how I feel. He's going to maybe be a 2nd rounder this year or next whenever he leaves. Either way, he's either going to catch on to an NBA team or go to Europe. He can get a one year head start on that, but I'm sure the idea of being "the man" on this team is tempting. He can come back, put up crazy numbers, get his degree, and he's already been to two Elite 8s...he'd get his number retired if he averaged 20/10 and led this team to the Final Four....
 

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I can totally understand Matt Ryan's frustration, the point he needs to appreciate is that HE will now get that benefit of staying on the court during 1-12 shooting nights that VJ had all year (really last two years). VJ was a liability on defense, played as small as any 6-8 guy in the country despite some pretty long arms - would be interesting to see what his high water mark for rebounds was all year. Nobody should have been shooting threes over VJ yet it happened all the damn time. Ryan showed a lot of defensive improvement toward the end of the year and I think he can lock down a core position in Brey's short line up (by that I mean his 6-7 man go-to rotation, not height wise). Geben and Torres may play bigger but Ryan opens up the offense for everyone.
 

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Colson is a great college player, and his unconventional "shape" allows him to play three to four inches "taller" than he is. But it's difficult to see how that translates to the NBA with all its 6'8"/6"9/6'10" skywalkers blocking shots. Secondly, the NBA requires almost all its people to run and, if in position, to shoot the threes. Plus, it's hard to see him being slotted into a near-the-basket position offensively, and more important defensively --- raw height-without-yet-jumping still counts there. CAN he be a wing?

Colson's such a winner-warrior that he'd be good to have on your bench, but if you're an NBA coach do you want to spend a high draft pick (without him proving more to you in, say, another year of college)? If anyone here knows what his family's economic situation is, that might be a factor.

His senior year should be a lot of fun, and something that he'll never get a second crack at. That and graduating might be valued over other factors unless his family needs the money now. I'd stay, but no one asked me during my intramural days with the Chem Club team.
 

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Bonzie doesn't need to come back, it's not like he's going to get taller or become more skilled of a scorer (because he already is very skilled), but if he does, he should focus on his fitness big time. I think that's the only area he can improve - broaden those shoulders and cut some fat.

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I disagree. He can still improve his offensive game, but his biggest area for development is on defense. If his aspirations are to play in Europe, then he should go now. Given the number of second round guys that make a roster is pretty low, if he wants a legit shot at the NBA he needs to stay and improve himself as much as possible.
 
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I disagree. He can still improve his offensive game, but his biggest area for development is on defense. If his aspirations are to play in Europe, then he should go now. Given the number of second round guys that make a roster is pretty low, if he wants a legit shot at the NBA he needs to stay and improve himself as much as possible.

Well yeah, everyone can theoretically improve their game every year. But can he handle the ball for a big? Yes. Can he score in the post? Without a doubt. Can he pass? Without a doubt. Can he shoot from the outside for a big? Without a doubt. It's not like his offense has any glaring weakness he has to perfect.

His defense can improve, and that'd improve as a by product of shaping his body better, which is my only 'weakness' I can find for him to actually improve to a significant degree.
 

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Well yeah, everyone can theoretically improve their game every year. But can he handle the ball for a big? Yes. Can he score in the post? Without a doubt. Can he pass? Without a doubt. Can he shoot from the outside for a big? Without a doubt. It's not like his offense has any glaring weakness he has to perfect.

His defense can improve, and that'd improve as a by product of shaping his body better, which is my only 'weakness' I can find for him to actually improve to a significant degree.

But he isn't a big. In the NBA he needs to transition to a wing if he has any value for an organization. He's 6'5.... He can't play the post in the NBA, this isn't Charles Barkley's NBA. He needs to improve that outside shooting to not just be "good for a big." He needs to shoot well for an NBA player.
 

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Well yeah, everyone can theoretically improve their game every year. But can he handle the ball for a big? Yes. Can he score in the post? Without a doubt. Can he pass? Without a doubt. Can he shoot from the outside for a big? Without a doubt. It's not like his offense has any glaring weakness he has to perfect.

His defense can improve, and that'd improve as a by product of shaping his body better, which is my only 'weakness' I can find for him to actually improve to a significant degree.

But he isn't a big. In the NBA he needs to transition to a wing if he has any value for an organization. He's 6'5.... He can't play the post in the NBA, this isn't Charles Barkley's NBA. He needs to improve that outside shooting to not just be "good for a big." He needs to shoot well for an NBA player.

Beat me to it, but you're correct. Reshaping his body isn't going to fix everything. The margin for getting into the NBA is so small that the smallest improvement might make the difference. Can he handle the ball? He's not bad, but I see more than marginal room for improvement in ball handling and driving to the basket. Especially having to play at the 3 or 4.
 

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I don't remember where I read it, but Colson will be back. Brey expects him, and I think will encourage him, to go through the pre draft process without signing with an agent like Beachem did last year.

Colson, and the rest of the team, could really benefit from some time in the weight room this off season. They looked like they were really wearing down the last couple weeks. Part of that is the short rotation playing big minutes all year, but the guys just looked weak. Brey alluded to that after the West Virginia game, calling WVU a bunch of men. Maybe we'll see him in the weight room with the team at 6 in the morning this summer.
 

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Looks pretty awesome! About time.

My favorite quote from NDNation:
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March 21, 2017 at 6:49 am
Finally! Irish need to compete with the big boys of the ACC! Brey really deserves this he has proven the IRISH can play with and beat anybody!! This facility should bring them 1 or 2 Mcdonalds all americans! every year instead of none! MIKE BREY deserves this for the job he does!
 

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Chase Jeter is transferring from Duke. Wonder if we'd have any interest. Former 5-star from Bishop Gorman. He'd have to sit out a year, but good size (6'10") and I assume there wouldn't be any academic issue with that transfer.

Wasn't very productive at Duke in his two years but would be worth a look IMO.
 

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Chase Jeter is transferring from Duke. Wonder if we'd have any interest. Former 5-star from Bishop Gorman. He'd have to sit out a year, but good size (6'10") and I assume there wouldn't be any academic issue with that transfer.

Wasn't very productive at Duke in his two years but would be worth a look IMO.

I think that's a dream but its a dream I would really like to have. Would be an amazing pick up if possible.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...town-basketball-coach/?utm_term=.5d110309dfe7

Washington Post reported that Brey was in the top 3 that Georgetown was looking at for their head coaching vacancy along with Shaka Smart and Tommy Amaker.

Dave McKenna reported today that a source close to Brey has informed him that Brey has turned down Georgetown. Rewind 5 years and I never could've imagined typing these sentences.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...town-basketball-coach/?utm_term=.5d110309dfe7

Washington Post reported that Brey was in the top 3 that Georgetown was looking at for their head coaching vacancy along with Shaka Smart and Tommy Amaker.

Dave McKenna reported today that a source close to Brey has informed him that Brey has turned down Georgetown. Rewind 5 years and I never could've imagined typing these sentences.

You're right. ND is arguably the better job right now, and in the foreseeable future. Amazing how much of a downturn Georgetown has experienced.
 

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Do we know which jobs Brey has turned down in the past? Cal and Maryland?

I'm sure there have been many like Georgetown where he just instantly turns them down and it doesn't become a story.
 
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