2016 Presidential Horse Race

[Buster Bluth]

I believe exit polls showed 52% of voters said the economy was #1 reason for their selection and I also believe the right track/wrong track polling went as high as 90% for wrong track in some exit polls. All of that favored Trump.

I believe Hillary won the people who put the economy as their #1 concern, 52% to 42%.

She also won foreign policy, 60% to 34%.

Trump won immigration and terrorism. AKA the scare tactics issues.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html

 

[IrishLax]

I believe exit polls showed 52% of voters said the economy was #1 reason for their selection and I also believe the right track/wrong track polling went as high as 90% for wrong track in some exit polls. All of that favored Trump.

The weird thing about this economy stuff... is it not going well? I guess that is my "liberal coastie bubble" speaking but the size of our company has almost tripled since the '08 recession and everything seems great. All countrywide metrics show that our economy is much stronger than pretty much every other industrialized, first world country out there.

Yes, I know it sucks in some small towns, that's been explained accurately and I agree. But I'm just confused how 90% of people can think this economy is on the "wrong track." Seems like a huge number.

 

[connor_in]

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[yankeehater]

The weird thing about this economy stuff... is it not going well? I guess that is my "liberal coastie bubble" speaking but the size of our company has almost tripled since the '08 recession and everything seems great. All countrywide metrics show that our economy is much stronger than pretty much every other industrialized, first world country out there.

Yes, I know it sucks in some small towns, that's been explained accurately and I agree. But I'm just confused how 90% of people can think this economy is on the "wrong track." Seems like a huge number.

I think the sub-2% GDP during the Obama administration has been a true indicator of what most Americans have been experiencing. Throw in added costs like healthcare and people are struggling. In my bubble, I moved from a service based industry to an industry involving manufacturing and construction in 2012. It is been tough. The economy has been sluggish, pricing is soft and margins are tight. The wave I expected to ride has not come to fruition.

 

[Buster Bluth]

The weird thing about this economy stuff... is it not going well? I guess that is my "liberal coastie bubble" speaking but the size of our company has almost tripled since the '08 recession and everything seems great. All countrywide metrics show that our economy is much stronger than pretty much every other industrialized, first world country out there.

Yes, I know it sucks in some small towns, that's been explained accurately and I agree. But I'm just confused how 90% of people can think this economy is on the "wrong track." Seems like a huge number.

Yeah outside of pockets, the Midwest hasn't improved in a generation.

The county seats of 15-35k are dying, with almost no exception. The way out it is a college degree, which gets you a job in one of the thriving pockets like Columbus, Indianapolis, Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc.

Basically staying in your hometown feels like the economic version of existing after the Biblical purge. Most who could pass a math class left. We were promised in the 1990s that entrepreneurs would employ those who lost manufacturing jobs as part of new economy, but they're only doing that on the coasts and thus all of the rural Midwest is hurting badly.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Oh.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This pre-election tweet has not aged well. <a href="https://t.co/0Dgj3PPiRt">pic.twitter.com/0Dgj3PPiRt</a></p>— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) <a href="https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/797456822680567808">November 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Cackalacky]

The weird thing about this economy stuff... is it not going well? I guess that is my "liberal coastie bubble" speaking but the size of our company has almost tripled since the '08 recession and everything seems great. All countrywide metrics show that our economy is much stronger than pretty much every other industrialized, first world country out there.

Yes, I know it sucks in some small towns, that's been explained accurately and I agree. But I'm just confused how 90% of people can think this economy is on the "wrong track." Seems like a huge number.

I think the sub-2% GDP during the Obama administration has been a true indicator of what most Americans have been experiencing. Throw in added costs like healthcare and people are struggling. In my bubble, I moved from a service based industry to an industry involving manufacturing and construction in 2012. It is been tough. The economy has been sluggish, pricing is soft and margins are tight. The wave I expected to ride has not come to fruition.

Yeah outside of pockets, the Midwest hasn't improved in a generation.

The county seats of 15-35k are dying, with almost no exception. The way out it is a college degree, which gets you a job in one of the thriving pockets like Columbus, Indianapolis, Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc.

Basically staying in your hometown feels like the economic version of existing after the Biblical purge. Most who could pass a math class left. We were promised in the 1990s that entrepreneurs would employ those who lost manufacturing jobs as part of new economy, but they're only doing that on the coasts and thus all of the rural Midwest is hurting badly.

It's wild but in my bubble, The Charleston Metro area can't stop growing. There was a brief six month down turn in 2008 but we have seen none of these hardships reported elsewhere. Since 2008 this area has added a full scale Boeing plant which is still growing. We have a huge Google server farm, and Volvo is currently building on of the biggest manufacturing plants on the east coast. There are so many civil projects and neighborhood/home construction activities going On that we don't even have enough illegal immigrants to fill job openings. Both Civil Engineering based companies I have worked for have expanded at least two fold since 2008.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Another point to bear in mind vis-a-vis the popular vote, and comparisons to McCain in 08, Romney in 12, etc.:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are still 8-10 millions vote left to count. When they are, Trump will easily pass Mitt and HRC will approach and maybe pass Obama. <a href="https://t.co/ByGPqtvEcE">https://t.co/ByGPqtvEcE</a></p>— Henry Olsen (@henryolsenEPPC) <a href="https://twitter.com/henryolsenEPPC/status/796736181413224450">November 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[ACamp1900]

Oh.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This pre-election tweet has not aged well. <a href="https://t.co/0Dgj3PPiRt">pic.twitter.com/0Dgj3PPiRt</a></p>— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) <a href="https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/797456822680567808">November 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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It's unreal to see and hear how that particular group within the left views themselves... it's just about completely opposite from reality,.... you could say the same for their views of everyone else too... it'd just be funny if they weren't so influential in certain arenas...

 

[kmoose]

As you know, I currently live in that town and you are spot on. The only people I know who voted for Hillary are hardcore D's. Most voted for Trump because they are sick of the current system and he provided some hope he'll be different.

You guys made the NY Times:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/1...9Z96XVyq5T3DuoA1Yz8NnxHWgsVi45-HG3SzN6WW1pGAI

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It's unreal to see and hear how that particular group within the left views themselves... it's just about completely opposite from reality,.... you could say the same for their views of everyone else too... it'd just be funny if they weren't so influential in certain arenas...

She was obviously wrong. But do you really think it would have been different if Trump would have lost? The same people calling for calm now are the ones who were crying insurrection before the election.

https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/791369493809201152?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On November 8th, I'm voting for Trump.<br><br>On November 9th, if Trump loses, I'm grabbing my musket.<br><br>You in?</p>— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) <a href="https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/791369493809201152">October 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Cackalacky]

She was obviously wrong. But do you really think it would have been different if Trump would have lost? The same people calling for calm now are the ones who were crying insurrection before the election.

https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/791369493809201152?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On November 8th, I'm voting for Trump.<br><br>On November 9th, if Trump loses, I'm grabbing my musket.<br><br>You in?</p>— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) <a href="https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/791369493809201152">October 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Exactly. I thinks more than obvious now that the losing side of this election is facing a full scale party upheaval. Myself included thought the Republican Party was done but failed to see just how bad off the Dems were as well until it became painfully obvious how deeply the beltway mentality insulated both parties. Regardless and I really hate saying things like this but no matter who won this one the other side is so sick of the establishment that the loser was most certain to reject the outcome, violently. But the narrative from the right would have been one of "patriotism" and from the left is what we are already seeing "lefty cry babies and violent blacks"

 

[ACamp1900]

But do you really think it would have been different if Trump would have lost?

Yes, I'm positive we wouldn't have seen nearly the outrage, violence and demagoguery we've seen....

 

[ACamp1900]

That's all besides the point anyway.... I'm speaking to the segment of this country that screams from the mountain tops, endlessly, ad nauseam, that they are the civil ones, understanding ones, tolerate ones.... the ones whose example we should all follow....... oops.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Yes, I'm positive we wouldn't have seen nearly the outrage, violence and demagoguery we've seen....

I guess I disagree. With the way Trump was whipping people up, I think it could have been just awful.

That's all besides the point anyway.... I'm speaking to the segment of this country that screams from the mountain tops, endlessly, ad nausea, that they are the civil ones, understanding ones, tolerate ones.... the ones whose example we should all follow....... oops.

I'm on record that any protests that turn violent or that block traffic are ridiculous. I think a civil protest to stand in solidarity with people who seem to have been used to stoke fear can be fine (though, again, I'm not doing that). Protest or march to hold his feet to the fire. But protesting the election results is silly. Let's have a legitimate transfer of power, as we always have had (and what Trump was refusing to endorse prior to election day).

Obama is handling himself beautifully right now, which is why his approval ratings continue to rise (+16 in the most recent Gallup Poll).

 

[ACamp1900]

I guess I disagree. With the way Trump was whipping people up, I think it could have been just awful.



I'm on record that any protests that turn violent or that block traffic are ridiculous. I think a civil protest to stand in solidarity with people who seem to have been used to stoke fear can be fine (though, again, I'm not doing that). Protest or march to hold his feet to the fire. But protesting the election results is silly. Let's have a legitimate transfer of power, as we always have had (and what Trump was refusing to endorse prior to election day).

Obama is handling himself beautifully right now, which is why his approval ratings continue to rise (+16 in the most recent Gallup Poll).

Yes, so far so good from our POTUS... and many on the left... to be clear, I'm not speaking to Clinton supporters or Democrats in general, at all.... I'm speaking more to the ideologues, the celebs, the hard liners, even many of the protestors, who now show zero capability, or even a basic want to, to show any understanding or tolerance of, anything really... the part that gets me, again, is these are often the same people who insist theirs is the righteous path... I think they're proving those who called them self righteous, hypocritical bull shitters right... and yeah on the other point, respectfully disagree, I think the idea that Trump supporters would have had even a miniature level reaction like this is pure fantasy.... just my two cents.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think one point that deserves to be made, I think the lunatic fringe of the left has been normalized and validated more in the media and especially in our Arts n Entertainment, so when they're pissed they obviously feel more emboldened to lash out than maybe the lunatic fringe on the other side would be....

 

[phgreek]

Welp...

What we do have is those quite outwardly identifying with the left ACTUALLY engaged in bad shit, and whpping up others to do so.

...And hypothetical what if kinda shit about what the right would have done.

If it makes you sleep better at night hanging on to what the right "would have done"...go for it.

Here is the thing...I don't even let my kids get away with that kind of "logic". And need I remind you...1) the only violence at Trump rallies was...generally caused by the left. 2) How'd the tea party rallies go compared to the occupy rallies. So our most recent examples of actual shit...the left has been far more violent, dangerous, and generally ridiculous...just own it and move on.

 

[johnnycando]

I think one point that deserves to be made, I think the lunatic fringe of the left has been noramlized and validated more in the media and especially in our Arts n Entertainment, so when they're pissed they obviously feel more emboldened to lash out than maybe the lunatic fringe on the other side would be....

Amen. Agreed. Exactly. Thank-you.

I still have a bunch of participation ribbons to make everyone feel better.

Had the candidate I hoped would win, lost, I would be looking for the silver lining of my next president. That I can swear is the truth and more than norm for most.

Oprah is right on the money with hope.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Welp...

What we do have is those quite outwardly identifying with the left ACTUALLY engaged in bad shit, and whpping up others to do so.

...And hypothetical what if kinda shit about what the right would have done.

If it makes you sleep better at night hanging on to what the right "would have done"...go for it.

Here is the thing...I don't even let my kids get away with that kind of "logic". And need I remind you...1) the only violence at Trump rallies was...generally caused by the left. 2) How'd the tea party rallies go compared to the occupy rallies. So our most recent examples of actual shit...the left has been far more violent, dangerous, and generally ridiculous...just own it and move on.

The Republican nominee was calling for the Democratic nominee to be put in prison and his supporters were chanting "lock her up" regularly at rallies. Many of his supporters claim that she is a murderer. He told people to beat the crap out of protesters at his rallies and opined that they used to carry people like that out on a stretcher.

More than that, he was questioning the legitimacy of the election for the past several weeks. His supporters believed that the election was being stolen from them.

You don't think that could lead to violence?

 

[Legacy]

I can appreciate the "election is rigged" sentiment. You expect a minority of 49.9% of the popular vote to have a say in the direction of the government of this country. We should have electoral votes apportioned instead of winner take all.

To have so many not voting because they feel their vote wouldn't count or would not be decisive is sad.

 

[phgreek]

The Republican nominee was calling for the Democratic nominee to be put in prison and his supporters were chanting "lock her up" regularly at rallies. Many of his supporters claim that she is a murderer. He told people to beat the crap out of protesters at his rallies and opined that they used to carry people like that out on a stretcher.

More than that, he was questioning the legitimacy of the election for the past several weeks. His supporters believed that the election was being stolen from them.

You don't think that could lead to violence?

Doesn't matter what I think...what matters is, what do we have in front of us at this moment. Why? How does the leadership in the left get it to stop?

I'll stop pointing out how ridiculous it is to assume the right would be doing these things based on facts and track records, because apparently that gets us nowhere.

Just needs to stop now. And like the carnage left in the wake of occupy, and every other damned thing the left feels compelled to RIOT over...we'll just be glad when the tantrum is over.

 

[phgreek]

I can appreciate the "election is rigged" sentiment. You expect a minority of 49.9% of the popular vote to have a say in the direction of the government of this country. We should have electoral votes apportioned instead of winner take all.

To have so many not voting because they feel their vote wouldn't count or would not be decisive is sad.

THIS I understand, and could accept.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

THIS I understand, and could accept.

Yep. There's a real discussion to be had. The current protests aren't really a good kick-starter for that.

 

[Legacy]

Yep. There's a real discussion to be had. The current protests aren't really a good kick-starter for that.

I prefer protests to silence. Violence by a few is infringement of others' rights.

 

[military_irish]

I prefer protests to silence. Violence by a few is infringement of others' rights.

Violence is never the answer. If someone can express their concerns and a solution so that everyone understands what is trying to be done. It will have a greater outcome than trying to "strong arm" their point across.

Violence does nothing but create hate from the opposers.

 

[drayer54]

It's unreal to see and hear how that particular group within the left views themselves... it's just about completely opposite from reality,.... you could say the same for their views of everyone else too... it'd just be funny if they weren't so influential in certain arenas...

The people who detest mean things have demonstrated that liberal intolerance is about the worst we have in this country.

Every liberal considers themselves tolerant until they are disagreed with. Everyone who doesn't agree with the left must be a racist. Ooh yeah! And DEPLORABLE!

Speaking of deplorable...

Houston mom under investigation after kicking out her son, 7, for voting for Trump - Houston Chronicle

 

[drayer54]

Yep. There's a real discussion to be had. The current protests aren't really a good kick-starter for that.

Crying and shutting down freeways after elections is likely the new norm. Although, some have written that the angry left turned some peoples vote to Trump. This is serving as a good reminder for 2018.

 

[kmoose]

The Republican nominee was calling for the Democratic nominee to be put in prison and his supporters were chanting "lock her up" regularly at rallies. Many of his supporters claim that she is a murderer. He told people to beat the crap out of protesters at his rallies and opined that they used to carry people like that out on a stretcher.

More than that, he was questioning the legitimacy of the election for the past several weeks. His supporters believed that the election was being stolen from them.

You don't think that could lead to violence?

I think it COULD. But I don't think it's likely. After all, the Democratic nominee was calling for the Republican nominee to accept the results of the election. That doesn't seem to have influenced her supporters much, now has it?

 

[Buster Bluth]

The people who detest mean things have demonstrated that liberal intolerance is about the worst we have in this country.

Every liberal considers themselves tolerant until they are disagreed with. Everyone who doesn't agree with the left must be a racist. Ooh yeah! And DEPLORABLE!

I know it's been a while since the last Republican administration, but I seem to recall the entire country witchhunting those who were not "patriotic" and had the nerve to oppose the Iraq War.

It's almost like people are people regardless of their political ideology and will do ddumb shit in large crowds...