2016 Presidential Horse Race

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kmoose

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DN!

Politicians are corrupt. Who knew?

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Exactly. And that's why it is going to take a "non-politician" to get things back on track. Trump obviously isn't the right guy, but if he does well enough; the right "non-politician" just might be enticed to enter into a future race.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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I know someone that had that number! Won't mention the area code, but up until a couple years ago they still got calls for Jenny!

So I am truly alarmed. I hear intelligent people saying ludicrous things. (By the way, dshans isn't one of them.)

I think this is some flavor of denial, political, societal, but indicative of an incredible fear and panic setting in, that really needs to be choked out of existence.

The American electorate has lied to itself for years, not a big thing in the days before radio, TV, and then the internet. But now the facts are clear, generally we dress up two pigs, put on some lipstick and rouge, and act like we have a freakin' beauty contest.

So I will make you all a deal. We have some attorneys here, and some savvy posters. What would it take for a class action suite in the name of the American electorate, against the Republican and Democratic party to bar them from the election until they present a decent candidate?

Seriously! Generally, I think the bullshit is more blown up, out of proportion with Hillary, but I am getting tired of the excuses. Both candidates are obviously entitled, overly privileged one-percenters, who have more problems with their moral compasses than we need in a president.

Would it be possible to force the parties to change their tickets? As a deal could we see both parties VP candidates elevated to number one on the ticket, and have caucuses pick their VP running mate? Does anyone see it? Or have any other reasonable idea?

We keep putting up swine for candidates, and lying about them and we're going to end up with nothing. None of us. Really. It is time for good people, even though they have different ideas, to come together for the common good.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Buster, I couldn't agree with you more.

Let's not change anything on the Hillary side, just for the sake of argument. (Although each statement is or borders on libel.)

To make the whole thing remotely accurate, and try to maintain the humor, by keeping the statement the same for Trump in each box, you would have to amend it to something like, "Said mean libelous things, so removed from reality that they would almost by necessity only be generated by someone with a psychotic disorder."

In truth though, to be humorous, something has to have a grain of truth, and hold pain, a lot of pain. The fact of the matter is, Hillary is always in or near the shitter. Something is always coming up. If the news about a candidate always comes back to sewage, well then, you have the idea. Fire Clinton, promote Kane.

Any candidate would die for what was exposed about Hillary this week, in a normal campaign. But 2016 isn't a normal election cycle, and this campaign is just seriously bent. Really. For anyone keeping score, I also advocate not electing Trump, and getting him the help he needs. Find a nice quiet place in the country for him, and his friend Rudy!
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Tomorrow's headline in the IE Gazette and Nickel Ads: BOGS CALLS FOR ASSASSINATION OF HILARY CLINTON!!

I got the italics. And I see the irony in your post.

But using the a-word . . .


Shit's still not funny!
 

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Tomorrow's headline in the IE Gazette and Nickel Ads: BOGS CALLS FOR ASSASSINATION OF HILARY CLINTON!!

Oh shit...Connor is calling the secret service right now...

you sure you don't want to come with me hunting and fishing so they can just debrief us both at the same time ...;)
 

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Oh shit...Connor is calling the secret service right now...

you sure you don't want to come with me hunting and fishing so they can just debrief us both at the same time ...;)

Dude...it's not meeeeeeeee

THEY gots bots that filter the interwebs for stuff like that

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Next president faces possible ObamaCare meltdown | TheHill

"Levitt and other experts warn that if the numbers don’t improve this year, more insurers could bolt. That would deal a major blow to marketplace competition while also driving up rates and keeping even more people out of the exchanges."

"Already, many insurers this year are proposing substantial rate hikes with the hopes of making up for higher recent medical costs. The average premium increase next year is about 9 percent, according to an analysis of 17 cities by the Kaiser Family Foundation. But some hikes are far higher: Blue Cross Blue Shield has proposed increases of 40 percent in Alabama and 60 percent in Texas."
 

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Next president faces possible ObamaCare meltdown | TheHill

"Levitt and other experts warn that if the numbers don’t improve this year, more insurers could bolt. That would deal a major blow to marketplace competition while also driving up rates and keeping even more people out of the exchanges."

"Already, many insurers this year are proposing substantial rate hikes with the hopes of making up for higher recent medical costs. The average premium increase next year is about 9 percent, according to an analysis of 17 cities by the Kaiser Family Foundation. But some hikes are far higher: Blue Cross Blue Shield has proposed increases of 40 percent in Alabama and 60 percent in Texas."

Yea NO ONE saw this problem...

Now I have to endure a 60 minutes episode with Harry Reid telling everyone he meant for that to happen to get to single payer...He will admit to sabotaging an entire industry...and because he is a D, that will have been Brilliant.
 
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Next president faces possible ObamaCare meltdown | TheHill

"Levitt and other experts warn that if the numbers don’t improve this year, more insurers could bolt. That would deal a major blow to marketplace competition while also driving up rates and keeping even more people out of the exchanges."

"Already, many insurers this year are proposing substantial rate hikes with the hopes of making up for higher recent medical costs. The average premium increase next year is about 9 percent, according to an analysis of 17 cities by the Kaiser Family Foundation. But some hikes are far higher: Blue Cross Blue Shield has proposed increases of 40 percent in Alabama and 60 percent in Texas."

You didn't quote the most important part of the article:

The Obama administration has struggled for several years to bring young, healthy people into the marketplaces, which is needed to offset the medical costs of older and sicker customers.

Translation: health insurance increases would be even higher without Obamacare getting at least some of the 20-somethings to sign up.

It's no secret that the tsunami of Baby Boomers retiring and/or physically falling apart is going to wreak havoc on health costs for decades to come, with or without Obamacare. Obamacare was a bill written by corporations, for corporations, and did not promise to fix health care but instead health care coverage and in doing so keep the rate of increases lower than they would have been otherwise.

Part of me loves seeing the older conservative Baby Boomers wave a Constitution around and say that the government can't make someone buy health insurance when it is precisely that, the government making more liberal Millennials buy into the system, that is keeping the rate increases down for the older conservatives...
 

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Translation: health insurance increases would be even higher without Obamacare getting at least some of the 20-somethings to sign up.

It's no secret that the tsunami of Baby Boomers retiring and/or physically falling apart is going to wreak havoc on health costs for decades to come, with or without Obamacare. Obamacare was a bill written by corporations, for corporations, and did not promise to fix health care but instead health care coverage and in doing so keep the rate of increases lower than they would have been otherwise.

Part of me loves seeing the older conservative Baby Boomers wave a Constitution around and say that the government can't make someone buy health insurance when it is precisely that, the government making more liberal Millennials buy into the system, that is keeping the rate increases down for the older conservatives...

So before Obamacare, 20-somethings did not participate in health insurance? I had health insurance all through my 20s. And so did everyone else I knew, in their 20s.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Bobby on Donald :

Robert De Niro: Donald Trump Is Like Taxi Driver Character

Taxes :

Hillary Clinton released her 2015 tax returns Friday, shedding light on her financial situation and putting even more pressure on her Republican opponent, Donald Trump, to release his own tax returns.

In 2015, Clinton paid a federal tax rate of 34.2% and a New York state rate of 9% for a total effective tax rate of 43.2%. Her tax rate has been above 40% every year since she left the state department in 2013.

Clinton and her husband, Bill, claimed a total income of $10,745,378 in 2015, and paid federal taxes of $3,624,455.

Her vice presidential running mate, Tim Kaine, also released his tax returns Friday for the years 2006-2015. Kaine and his wife, Anne Holton, paid a federal tax rate of 20.3% and a state tax rate of 5.4% in 2015, for a total of 25.6%. They earned $313,441, and paid $63,626 in federal income taxes.

Clinton had already released her tax returns for the years 2001-2014.

Trump has so far refused to release his tax returns, claiming he can’t do it while he’s under audit by the IRS. Some have theorized—including the New York Times’ James B. Stewart Friday—that his refusal could be because Trump doesn’t actually pay any taxes.


Inside Donald Trump’s Meltdown


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Any guesses about what it says?
 
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So before Obamacare, 20-somethings did not participate in health insurance? I had health insurance all through my 20s. And so did everyone else I knew, in their 20s.

Is that what I said?

Before Obamacare, there were many more uninsured young people. I would love to see evidence to the contrary. One of the biggest points of Obamacare was to get healthy people who didn't necessarily need (in their individual view) health insurance to buy health insurance. People in the 20s are healthier than later in life, there were many more uninsured 20-somethings before Obamacare.

It's one of the reasons Obamacare extended the ability to be on a parent's plan to 26. They tried to bridge the gap of when people are likeliest to be uninsured. The costs are then certainly passed on to the plans, albeit small costs because people are very healthy in their early/mid twenties.

Then of course they created healthcare.gov to create an exchange in which people can buy subsidized health insurance because, well, younger people are poorer than people later in life and when paired with being healthier often opt to skip buy health care coverage. It's even worse as health care costs rise due to a larger percentage of older people in the country, and even worse than that when paired with stagnate wages for young people and the prospect Millennials actually being poorer than their parents.

It's a series of corporate band-aids put together to patch a system designed to enrich the largest health care
"providers" buy forcing people to become their costumers while also likely squeezing out the smaller insurers.

I'm no Obamacare fan, as I hope I've shown over time, but it's not like the Republicans are offering jack shit here. And why would they? They can sit there and bash the program daily without ever trying to fix anything.
 
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Is that what I said?

Before Obamacare, there were many more uninsured young people. I would love to see evidence to the contrary. One of the biggest points of Obamacare was to get healthy people who didn't necessarily need (in their individual view) health insurance to buy health insurance. People in the 20s are healthier than later in life, there were many more uninsured 20-somethings before Obamacare.

It's one of the reasons Obamacare extended the ability to be on a parent's plan to 26. They tried to bridge the gap of when people are likeliest to be uninsured. The costs are then certainly passed on to the plans, albeit small costs because people are very healthy in their early/mid twenties.

Then of course they created healthcare.gov to create an exchange in which people can buy subsidized health insurance because, well, younger people are poorer than people later in life and when paired with being healthier often opt to skip buy health care coverage. It's even worse as health care costs rise due to a larger percentage of older people in the country, and even worse than that when paired with stagnate wages for young people and the prospect Millennials actually being poorer than their parents.

It's a series of corporate band-aids put together to patch a system designed to enrich the largest health care
"providers" buy forcing people to become their costumers while also likely squeezing out the smaller insurers.

I'm no Obamacare fan, as I hope I've shown over time, but it's not like the Republicans are offering jack shit here. And why would they? They can sit there and bash the program daily without ever trying to fix anything.

But how many of those 20-somethings now having insurance is a function of Obamacare, compared to there just being more jobs, and the benefits that come with those jobs? I could show a chart of population growth, and claim it is evidence of the strength of the global economy; that so many people are prosperous, that more and more are choosing to have children. There are less uninsured 20-somthings, certainly. But how about we do this? How about we parse out the number of new jobs(filled by 20-somethings) that carry health insurance since ACA was signed into law? And how about we calculate how many of those 20-somethings have health insurance at the discounted rate, because they are still on their families' policy? And then let's determine, based on the discounted rate, how many "regular" policies that would equate to? Since that is the premise: More people paying regular rates = more money available to spend on healthcare. Less money spent on those ratepayers( the 20-somethings), the less it will cost for those who use it more. THEN we can determine what effect the ACA is actually having on rates........... other than the obvious ballooning cost of plans.
 

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I don't say this very often, but Buster is pretty spot on with analysis. Obamacare is just a corporate fraud perpetuated on the American people. It is nothing but a band aid to prop up a failing system, akin to giving advil to a cancer patient.
 

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I've never shared any of this because some here aren't even worth talking to on these topics... But for those that will listen...

We talk about uninsured vs insured and quality of care this and that.... but I question if it matters and what quality of coverage is even worth it...

My parents were forced into the exchanges after years of being happy in their long time plans... Long to short, my fathers meds, co pays and all instantly went sky high, far more than they could afford. Get this one, my father needed a procedure to 'solve' an infection... We found out after the fact that had we just paid cash as if uninsured, we'd have paid less than our co pay.... Anyway, my dad's health declined quickly with this new 'coverage'... And I'll be very clear... This bill, at best, hastened my fathers death... He died in Feburary. To sum it up, what the fvk good is 'coverage' if it does basically very little, to nothing, for you, and at times actually creates more road blocks than you'd otherwise have... But at least we were able to toss student loans into all this and lie to ourselves about giving a fvk... Right?

As far as the right offering nothing, they sure as hell did offer ideas and bills during the debates, but the left shut them out and then turned around and called them the party of 'no'. Obamacare was an all or nothing game.
 
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Is that what I said?

Before Obamacare, there were many more uninsured young people. I would love to see evidence to the contrary. One of the biggest points of Obamacare was to get healthy people who didn't necessarily need (in their individual view) health insurance to buy health insurance. People in the 20s are healthier than later in life, there were many more uninsured 20-somethings before Obamacare.

It's one of the reasons Obamacare extended the ability to be on a parent's plan to 26. They tried to bridge the gap of when people are likeliest to be uninsured. The costs are then certainly passed on to the plans, albeit small costs because people are very healthy in their early/mid twenties.

Then of course they created healthcare.gov to create an exchange in which people can buy subsidized health insurance because, well, younger people are poorer than people later in life and when paired with being healthier often opt to skip buy health care coverage. It's even worse as health care costs rise due to a larger percentage of older people in the country, and even worse than that when paired with stagnate wages for young people and the prospect Millennials actually being poorer than their parents.

It's a series of corporate band-aids put together to patch a system designed to enrich the largest health care
"providers" buy forcing people to become their costumers while also likely squeezing out the smaller insurers.

I'm no Obamacare fan, as I hope I've shown over time, but it's not like the Republicans are offering jack shit here. And why would they? They can sit there and bash the program daily without ever trying to fix anything./QUOTE]

Exactly what legislation do you think they could pass that Obama would sign that would correct the shortcomings of Obamacare?
 

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I don't say this very often, but Buster is pretty spot on with analysis. Obamacare is just a corporate fraud perpetuated on the American people. It is nothing but a band aid to prop up a failing system, akin to giving advil to a cancer patient.

A corporate fraud shoved down our throats by a super majority of leftists in DC and didn't get one Republican vote?
 

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So you think having the government pay for it will fix the costs?

I got ZERO faith in that idea...........

It's about the only option that includes the poor, working class, and those with pre-existing health conditions. If you've got a Republican plan that includes everyone, especially the poor, the working class, and those with pre-existing health conditions, let's hear it. I haven't heard any Republican plan that includes those groups at an affordable cost. Since you aren't in favor of raising the minimum wage, your plan will have to be affordable for those grossing less than $20,000 per year and taking home less than $15,000 per year.
 
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