2014 NFL Draft

[Sherm Sticky]

Stevie Johnson? I honestly do not see what the Niners are doing with their WR corps. As it stands, it is still Crabtree and Boldin with nobody a deep threat to open up the passing game.

Do they honestly think anyone is going to be scared of Stevie Johnson?? Last I checked, Jerry Rice he is not....who also ran a 4.6, but was a workout maniac with huge hands. Johnson is none of those things....and fragile as a China doll.

I certainly expect the FO to have a plan and a better understanding of what he can do than I do, but I still don't think it solves anything because the Niners NEED a DEEP threat, which apparently they are not even pursuing now.

I do like the fact they did not have to have to give up a player to get him but there are only so many roster spots.

Damn harsh. I like the pickup of Johnson...shrug

 

[Luckylucci]

Damn harsh. I like the pickup of Johnson...shrug

I like the trade. They're giving up a 4th maybe 3rd rd 2015 pick in attempt to better there team right now. They wouldn't be able to get a better WR where they are drafting right now.

 

[philipm31]

Damn harsh. I like the pickup of Johnson...shrug

Marqise Lee, Donte Monrcrief are both available right now and I don't see how he helps.

Kaep has a CANNON for an arm an NO WR to go get it. When your only deep threat is your TE, then your WR corps needs an overhaul and Johnson is not it.

Which is exactly why he was traded for so little, so I like that part of it. But this guy is not Moss circa 2007, and his declining production over the last three years does not scream problem solver.

I am not an expert by any stretch but it seems like they are giving up on the WRs already even though they have five picks within the next 68 picks available.

Just seems odd to me.

 

[Luckylucci]

Marqise Lee, Donte Monrcrief are both available right now and I don't see how he helps.

Kaep has a CANNON for an arm an NO WR to go get it. When your only deep threat is your TE, then your WR corps needs an overhaul and Johnson is not it.

Which is exactly why he was traded for so little, so I like that part of it. But this guy is not Moss circa 2007, and his declining production over the last three years does not scream problem solver.

I am not an expert by any stretch but it seems like they are giving up on the WRs already even though they have five picks within the next 68 picks available.

Just seems odd to me.

Marquis Lee isn't a realistic option for the niners unless they are willing to trade quite a bit. Below are his stats. He has only had declining production one year. He was around 80 rec. and 1000 yards the previous 3 years. Who knows what they do but they are essentially trying to get somebody that is going to help them win now and who has a better chance of this year getting 50 rec. and 500+ yds with 5tds. Moncrief or Johnson? Rookie WR's are not the immediate help that you may think they are unless they are a special talent. They don't have a shot at that elite talent at this stage.

Steve Johnson, WR for the Buffalo Bills at NFL.com

 

[T Town Tommy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Filed to ESPN: 49ers trading a conditoonal 2015 4th-round pick to Buffalo for WR Stevie Johnson, per sources. Pick can become a 3rd.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/464841253788479488">May 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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San Fran got a bargain there. When Johnson is healthy, he is a pretty good receiver... especially for a horrible team such as Buffalo.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I like Easley a lot, but Tuitt imo is a better player. I think Tuitt has more upside also. Easley could have a very good nfl career, Tuitt could have a 7 pro bowl type career. Just my opinion though.

The only question with Easley is his health. Before his injuries he was dang near unstoppable. He would have been a top 10 pick if he hadn't gotten injured. Can't say the same for Tuitt. Either way, I hope both become 10 time pro bowlers.

 

[GATTACA!]

Browns don't look all that bad heading into next year. O-line is solid. Tate is big upgrade at RB. Gordon is the man, need a better #2 than Little. Cameron is solid at TE (does anyone else not remember him at USC at all?).

Secondary looks good with Haden, Gilbert, Whitner. Keke and Kruger on the edge.

What do you guys need going forward? #2 WR? interior OL? ILB and safety?

I've been on the JFF bandwagon since the Bama game this past year, and I really think you guys can shock some people this year. Maybe not playoffs, but 7-9 or 8-8 and a team that no one wants to play. Schedule isn't all that tough....


Hope you guys snag Lee early in 2nd round and then can go D and OL in the 3rd

Agree with all of this. Also have Sheard on the edge. Taylor and Rubin inside. Solid secondary, now Buster can move to nickel where he should have been all along.

I think #2 WR is the biggest hole right now and Lee would be a great fit. Probably add a guard at some point. Also need some MLB help.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The only question with Easley is his health. Before his injuries he was dang near unstoppable. He would have been a top 10 pick if he hadn't gotten injured. Can't say the same for Tuitt. Either way, I hope both become 10 time pro bowlers.

I disagree. Look at Tuitt in 2012, look at Tuitt vs USC 2013. When Tuitt is healthy and going full speed there is no better DE/DT in this draft class outside of Clowney than Tuitt. It's been well stated the Tuitt is a top 15 talent.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I disagree. Look at Tuitt in 2012, look at Tuitt vs USC 2013. When Tuitt is healthy and going full speed there is no better DE/DT in this draft class outside of Clowney than Tuitt. It's been well stated the Tuitt is a top 15 talent.

My only issue with Tuitt is this... when he was healthy he was only dominant at times. Other times he was nonexistent or easily pushed out of the play. I think his weight issues and taking plays off hurt his draft status, along with his injuries. End of the day, when both he and Easley were fully healthy, I gotta go with Easley. He had a motor that didn't quit.

 

[philipm31]

I like the trade. They're giving up a 4th maybe 3rd rd 2015 pick in attempt to better there team right now. They wouldn't be able to get a better WR where they are drafting right now.

There is a TON of WR talent still left on the board right now.

Marqise Lee 6'0" 192 4.52
Donte Moncrief 6'2" 221 4.40

Martavis Bryant 6'4" 211
TJ Jones 6'0" 188 4.48

Jarvis Landry 5'11" 205 4.77
Bruce Ellington 5'9" 197 4.45

Kevin Norwood 6'2" 198 4.48
Allen Robinson 6'2" 220 4.60

Shaq Evans 6'1" 213 4.51
Davante Adams 6'1" 212 4.56

Jordan Matthews 6'3" 212 4.46 (Jerry Rice's COUSIN!!)
Cody Latimer 6'2" 215 (medically excluded from combine workout but benched 225 23 times, beating all WR and some linemen)


That is just to name a few.

I think that the Niners could have easily had one of them.

All of them except Ellington and Landry are basically the same size of Johnson (6'2" 207, 4.56). I just think they are relegating themselves to a very one-dimensional passing team again, because I don't see Johnson as a particularly explosive WR who will be striking fear into the SEA DBs, who can effectively shut down their passing attack because they don't have to worry about anyone beating them deep.

Believe me that I desperately hope that I am wrong about Johnson, but I don't see why they would not have been able to nab one of these dozen WRs within the second round.

 

[Luckylucci]

There is a TON of WR talent still left on the board right now.

Marqise Lee
Donte Moncrief
Martavis Bryant
TJ Jones
Bruce Ellington
Kevin Norwood
Jarvis Landry
Allen Robinson
Jordan Matthews
Cody Latimer


That is just to name a few.



I think that the Niners could have easily had one of them.

All of them except Ellington are basically the same size of Johnson. I just think they are relegating themselves to a very one-dimensional passing team again, because I don't see Johnson as a particularly explosive WR who will be striking fear into the SEA DBs, who can effectively shut down their passing attack because they don't have to worry about anyone beating them deep.

Even if you take the worst year he's had in the last 4 (last year). Then take the avg stats of the guys you named they will not have 50 rec. 600 yds. He's better player than the avg. rookie WR. Expecting to pick the one or two outside of the 1st rd that will have that type of impact is more of a gamble. I though that was pretty standard.

 

[T Town Tommy]

There is a TON of WR talent still left on the board right now.

Marqise Lee
Donte Moncrief
Martavis Bryant
TJ Jones
Bruce Ellington
Kevin Norwood
Jarvis Landry
Allen Robinson
Jordan Matthews
Cody Latimer


That is just to name a few.

I think that the Niners could have easily had one of them.

All of them except Ellington are basically the same size of Johnson. I just think they are relegating themselves to a very one-dimensional passing team again, because I don't see Johnson as a particularly explosive WR who will be striking fear into the SEA DBs, who can effectively shut down their passing attack because they don't have to worry about anyone beating them deep.

I would take Johnson over everyone on that list except the first two. Johnson has proved he can be a good WR in the pros... the guys on this list haven't shown anything. I like the trade for San Fran. As far as beating Seattle deep, most WR in the league now can't do it.

 

[arrowryan]

I would take Johnson over everyone on that list except the first two. Johnson has proved he can be a good WR in the pros... the guys on this list haven't shown anything. I like the trade for San Fran. As far as beating Seattle deep, most WR in the league now can't do it.

Although this is true, it's not a very fair statement considering they haven't been given the chance. I'd bet that at least 5 of those receivers on that list will be more productive than Stevie Johnson

 

[T Town Tommy]

Although this is true, it's not a very fair statement considering they haven't been given the chance. I'd bet that at least 5 of those receivers on that list will be more productive than Stevie Johnson

Not if they started in Buffalo. What if Johnson had played for Peyton's offense in Denver his first four years? The guy put up huge numbers for a dreadful team. Put any of the players on that list in Buffalo four years ago and I doubt any of them would have the same output Johnson had... given what he had throwing the ball to him.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think you guys are overstating the impact rookie WR's have. Below is a list from Wlater football last year in April talking the top 10 WR in last years draft. Only 1 guy in the top ten was more productive that Johnson in his worst season of the last four. Only 3 of the top 20 and that's giving the edge to Kenny Still who had more yds. (40ish) and 2 TD's but less receptions by approx. 20.

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft: Wide Receiver Rankings

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think you guys are overstating the impact rookie WR's have. Below is a list from Wlater football last year in April talking the top 10 WR in last years draft. Only 1 guy in the top ten was more productive that Johnson in his worst season of the last four.

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft: Wide Receiver Rankings

I agree. There may very well be one from the list out produce Johnson in the future but they better be on a lot better team than Buffalo.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Looks like Lee will be a lock for the Browns. Gordon looking at a season long ban for failed drug tests. Ouch.

Josh Gordon of Cleveland Browns faces season-long suspension - ESPN

 

[GATTACA!]

Looks like Lee will be a lock for the Browns. Gordon looking at a season long ban for failed drug tests. Ouch.

Josh Gordon of Cleveland Browns faces season-long suspension - ESPN

Motherfucker.

 

[arrowryan]

HAHAHA

 

[arrowryan]

Just when the Browns were sorta going in the right direction

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Nope you're still Cleveland

No joke, I'm sorry Browns fans

 

[Booslum31]

Looks like Lee will be a lock for the Browns. Gordon looking at a season long ban for failed drug tests. Ouch.

Josh Gordon of Cleveland Browns faces season-long suspension - ESPN

Just when there was a little life blown into the Cleveland fans, I guy who values his "high" more than his career. What a dumbass! Hopefully they can pull Lee tonight.

 

[philipm31]

I think you guys are overstating the impact rookie WR's have. Below is a list from Wlater football last year in April talking the top 10 WR in last years draft. Only 1 guy in the top ten was more productive that Johnson in his worst season of the last four. Only 3 of the top 20 and that's giving the edge to Kenny Still who had more yds. (40ish) and 2 TD's but less receptions by approx. 20.

WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft: Wide Receiver Rankings

With eleven picks and a logjam of "decent" WRs, I don't see why they don't take a gamble. They have been the mode of just getting other teams' leftover WRs for the last few years. Outside of Crabtree who had never done anything either before he got drafted. I just don't get why they want their WR corps to get older and more predictable. It also keeps Kaepernick from being able to fully develop as a deep passer, with more options in the passing game.

A full year of Crabtree would be a great boon, of course, but I don't see Johnson offering anything different. Kaep is not Joe Montana but he does a rocket for an arm, so having someone who can go deep and at least teams THINKING about the possibility of the Niners going deep would be a new wrinkle.

I am interested to see what Greg Roman does with this offense, though.

Also good for Stevie to be back home in SF, so that is a nice little bonus.

 

[aubeirish]

I find it hilarious that drug tests are purposely taken during the middle of the off-season, so nobody gets caught and the league can keep on pretending that nobody takes steroids.
Even funnier thing is that some guys still manage to get caught. Holy macaroni.

 

[kmoose]

Looks like Lee will be a lock for the Browns. Gordon looking at a season long ban for failed drug tests. Ouch.

Josh Gordon of Cleveland Browns faces season-long suspension - ESPN

Someone check on ACamp............ make sure he isn't swinging from the end of a shoestring or anything......

 

[T Town Tommy]

Someone check on ACamp............ make sure he isn't swinging from the end of a shoestring or anything......

I just PMed him the Patriots draft report on JFF. I don't have the heart to tell him about Gordon. LOL

 

[kmoose]

I find it hilarious that drug tests are purposely taken during the middle of the off-season, so nobody gets caught and the league can keep on pretending that nobody takes steroids.
Even funnier thing is that some guys still manage to get caught. Holy macaroni.

The article says marijuana, not steroids.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Looks like Lee will be a lock for the Browns. Gordon looking at a season long ban for failed drug tests. Ouch.

Josh Gordon of Cleveland Browns faces season-long suspension - ESPN

Lol. He was on SVP today. Not a mention from them about it.

And just when I jumped on the fucking bandwagon.
Sorry guys.
My fault.
Its the luck I bring.
Look at my Lions my whole life, hell their whole existence.

 

[koonja]

Guys, everybody to the chat so we don't have to hit 'refresh' all of the time?

Let's do it!

 

[Luckylucci]

With eleven picks and a logjam of "decent" WRs, I don't see why they don't take a gamble. They have been the mode of just getting other teams' leftover WRs for the last few years. Outside of Crabtree who had never done anything either before he got drafted. I just don't get why they want their WR corps to get older and more predictable. It also keeps Kaepernick from being able to fully develop as a deep passer, with more options in the passing game.

A full year of Crabtree would be a great boon, of course, but I don't see Johnson offering anything different. Kaep is not Joe Montana but he does a rocket for an arm, so having someone who can go deep and at least teams THINKING about the possibility of the Niners going deep would be a new wrinkle.

I am interested to see what Greg Roman does with this offense, though.

Also good for Stevie to be back home in SF, so that is a nice little bonus.

I think if your running a team for the future what your saying makes sense. What San Fran is looking at is who is better week 1 of the regular season. Stevie Johnson or one of the rookies still on the board, outside of Lee who I think is special? They drafted WR Quinton Patton (who...?)last year round 4 and thats basically what they traded away for Johnson. Also, in 2012 they drafted AJ Jenkins in the first at #30, how'd that work out? From a risk/reward standpoint for next year this was a great move!