2013 Spring Practice Thread

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why are people afraid of a successful Cam McDaniel?

Because he's white, not a high star recruit, and not that fast.

What people don't realize though is that he has one of the fastest shuttle times on the team. He's super shifty and by all accounts, a really smart player that Kelly trusts.

Although, I have been really excited from what I have seen from Atkinson in the bits of practice videos so far. He looks like he might be thinking as fast as he can run now. He is hitting the holes hard and not doing his hesitation dancing that we saw all to often last year.
 

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why are people afraid of a successful Cam McDaniel?

Not afraid of it. Indeed, I welcome it. But I have any difficult time seeing him beat out any of: GAIII, Amir, Bryant, or Folston. Cam is a hard-running, scrappy player with a lot of heart, but he doesn't have the talent of any of those guys, IMO.
 

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Because he's white, not a high star recruit, and not that fast.

What people don't realize though is that he has one of the fastest shuttle times on the team. He's super shifty and by all accounts, a really smart player that Kelly trusts.

Although, I have been really excited from what I have seen from Atkinson in the bits of practice videos so far. He looks like he might be thinking as fast as he can run now. He is hitting the holes hard and not doing his hesitation dancing that we saw all to often last year.

ohhhhhhh IE is well aware of this....this topic gets brought up a ton..now to the general audience...yes
 
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why are people afraid of a successful Cam McDaniel?

ND has been trying to shake the "quicker than fast" moniker. So when we get a burner like GAIII, the first look is to maximize that speed given that it's a perceived component for competing with more athletic teams (aka the big boys). I assume this is more the logic than wanting to see Cam fail. I'm not saying it's the correct logic.
 

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why are people afraid of a successful Cam McDaniel?

Why are people so convinced Cam is going to get a lot of carries when he couldn't take any carries away from GAIII last year and has shown us nothing outside of garbage time against a team that gave up?
 
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Because he's white, not a high star recruit, and not that fast.

What people don't realize though is that he has one of the fastest shuttle times on the team. He's super shifty and by all accounts, a really smart player that Kelly trusts.

Although, I have been really excited from what I have seen from Atkinson in the bits of practice videos so far. He looks like he might be thinking as fast as he can run now. He is hitting the holes hard and not doing his hesitation dancing that we saw all to often last year.

Yes. This. GAIII will definitely get his, but Cam will be a major component this year in his own right. Getting these guys carries is a good "problem" to have.
 
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why are people afraid of a successful Cam McDaniel?

I don't think we are. If I had to take one back of GAIII or Cam, I'd take Cam even though both are relatively unproven. Cam runs tough and I'm probably as low on GAIII as a RB as anyone you'll find. I do not think he's a good RB.
 

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ND has been trying to shake the "quicker than fast" moniker. So when we get a burner like GAIII, the first look is to maximize that speed given that it's a perceived component for competing with more athletic teams (aka the big boys). I assume this is more the logic than wanting to see Cam fail. I'm not saying it's the correct logic.

I always thought there was an unfair bias against Cam because his HS highlight tape didn't have music... I insisted that some of my buddies just play some Fat Joe on top of it. Or better, yet, in the style of Golson, Last of the Mohicans. :)
 
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Cam is a poor mans Amir. Loads of talent, speed/quickness and he has inate football ability and smarts. His "fluidity" is one thing that is so appealing to me when watching his tape. He is a natural on the football field.
 

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Cam is a poor mans Amir. Loads of talent, speed/quickness and he has inate football ability and smarts. His "fluidity" is one thing that is so appealing to me when watching his tape. He is a natural on the football field.

I don't see the similarity between the two. Sure, Cam makes good cuts but I don't consider him 'quick', whereas Amir appears to be not only lightning quick but also have breakaway speed which Cam definitely does not have. Cam also runs a lot tougher and looks for contact more than Amir did in his limited time at USC.
 

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Why are people so convinced Cam is going to get a lot of carries when he couldn't take any carries away from GAIII last year and has shown us nothing outside of garbage time against a team that gave up?

I think you could argue that GAIII was primarily getting carries, because he could give you a home run threat. Its like throwing in Chris Brown to go deep every once in a while.

I am not sure he would have gotten more carries than Cam if we didn't have Theo and Cierre last year.
 
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I haven't seen that in a while, it's crazy how many ankles he breaks. He's real good, I think we have some elite talent coming in this fall however.

It's gonna be tough for Cam to crack Amir/GAIII/Bryant/Folston

By all accounts, Bryant is ready to go out of the box. He's got plenty of pass blocking skills and a body that's ready for this level. I wish Cam the best, because his heart is clearly top notch. I just have a hard time seeing him taking a whole lot of carries from some of the guys we have.
 

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I think you could argue that GAIII was primarily getting carries, because he could give you a home run threat. Its like throwing in Chris Brown to go deep every once in a while.

I am not sure he would have gotten more carries than Cam if we didn't have Theo and Cierre last year.

Again, why do you think Cam would get more carries than GAIII? What has Cam shown?
 

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I haven't seen that in a while, it's crazy how many ankles he breaks. He's real good, I think we have some elite talent coming in this fall however.

It's gonna be tough for Cam to crack Amir/GAIII/Bryant/Folston

By all accounts, Bryant is ready to go out of the box. He's got plenty of pass blocking skills and a body that's ready for this level. I wish Cam the best, because his heart is clearly top notch. I just have a hard time seeing him taking a whole lot of carries from some of the guys we have.

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Why are people so convinced Cam is going to get a lot of carries when he couldn't take any carries away from GA III last year and has shown us nothing outside of garbage time against a team that gave up?

A) Kelly explained that GA III and Cam filled different roles on the team.

B) Look at the number of carries GA III had last year; there wasn't much to give up!

C) ND's second team scored more last year than at any time since "back in the day."

D) Cam's thirteen carry drive wasn't garbage against Miami.

E) Cam proved competence at slot too, last year.

F) Last year Cam was being cross trained at corner-back, which is not a position for slow guys, which he played (well) in last year's spring game.

G) The running back duo of Theo and Cierre was a very prolific combination for the number of carries.

H) Last year was a bit of an offensive anomaly with a new, freshman quarterback, and a major target in TE.

Again, why do you think Cam would get more carries than GAIII? What has Cam shown?

This year, GA III is ten or twenty pounds heavier. He will be more of an every down back, with the added weight and experience. But at ND a running back has a heavy assignment every play. They are always, running the ball, blocking a pass rusher, or running a route. We have always (under Kelly) used two or three running backs. This year we could use GA III, Cam, and at least one other, without a problem. So it is not about getting more carries. That is irrelevant. This year's offense will score a lot more points, but it will be a change-up, roll playing offense like last year, too. Last year the offense gobbled up great stretches of ground and lots of time, even though it didn't break records putting points on the board. This year it will score more and roll play just as well. GA III and Cam will both be keys.
 
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Again, why do you think Cam would get more carries than GAIII? What has Cam shown?

Nothing to us. But I think he looked more consistent than GAIII last year even though we only saw him a couple series. We hardly saw GAIII in for an entire series though either.

GAIII only ran a couple plays last year, and he did it better than anyone mainly because of speed. Now this year if he wants that bulk of the carries, he will have to show the coaches he can read blocks on the fly and fight up the middle.

I am not doubting that he can and will do that. I was speaking of last year when I made that point I think you were responding to.
 

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A) Kelly explained that GA III and Cam filled different roles on the team.

B) Look at the number of carries GA III had last year; there wasn't much to give up!

C) ND's second team scored more last year than at any time since "back in the day."

D) Cam's thirteen carry drive wasn't garbage against Miami.

E) Cam proved competence at slot too, last year.

F) Last year Cam was being cross trained at corner-back, which is not a position for slow guys, which he played (well) in last year's spring game.

G) The running back duo of Theo and Cierre was a very prolific combination for the number of carries.

H) Last year was a bit of an offensive anomaly with a new, freshman quarterback, and a major target in TE.

His carries against Miami was garbage time. Miami had given up. They got punched in the mouth and gave up. Hence why we didn't try to score with him running the ball.

And I believe he was only cross trained in spring, or am I not remembering that correctly?

I just don't get why people like Cam more than GAIII. GAIII at times looked really good - I remember certain runs against Stanford, MSU and USC that showed his skills..actually throw in his TD run against BYU.

Also, GAIII looked great against Miami too. The only game Cam actually looked good...
 
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His carries against Miami was garbage time. Miami had given up. They got punched in the mouth and gave up. Hence why we didn't try to score with him running the ball.

And I believe he was only cross trained in spring, or am I not remembering that correctly?

I just don't get why people like Cam more than GAIII. GAIII at times looked really good - I remember certain runs against Stanford, MSU and USC that showed his skills..actually throw in his TD run against BYU.

Also, GAIII looked great against Miami too. The only game Cam actually looked good...

Can't you like both? I'm in THAT generalized pool of ND fans. I like them both, and I want both to succeed... which is, they get carries and do good things that help us win. A very possible possibility.
 

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Can't you like both? I'm in THAT generalized pool of ND fans. I like them both, and I want both to succeed... which is, they get carries and do good things that help us win. A very possible possibility.

Fair point. I don't want it to come across like I'm hating on Cam because I'm not. I just think GAIII is the best option at RB and I think we've seen it on the field.
 
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Not afraid of it. Indeed, I welcome it. But I have any difficult time seeing him beat out any of: GAIII, Amir, Bryant, or Folston. Cam is a hard-running, scrappy player with a lot of heart, but he doesn't have the talent of any of those guys, IMO.

This.
 

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I'm gonna take a quick moment of praise for the recruitment of Keivarae..

If Kelly and Co would have missed on him, we wouldn't be the team we are now.

This kid is going to be tremendous.
 

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First off, KVR, GA3, Golson, Brown, and Robinson look very good. I'm not worried about the defense this year, we all know what to expect from them. I'm unsure of the offense until I see what they do in the spring game.

About the McDaniel thing. The problem for him is that we have 3-4 running backs that could start, George, Amir, Bryant, and Cam. I would like to see a 4 man rotation but something like that is unheard of. I would love to see Cam get significant playing time this year, but he has to battle out 3 other good running backs. That will be tough
 

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Just watched the player interview, Austin talks the exact same way and has the exact same mannerisms as his dad. Like scary similar.
 
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I don't see the similarity between the two. Sure, Cam makes good cuts but I don't consider him 'quick', whereas Amir appears to be not only lightning quick but also have breakaway speed which Cam definitely does not have. Cam also runs a lot tougher and looks for contact more than Amir did in his limited time at USC.

Both are relatively small in stature, can catch the ball out of the backfield, have good lateral movement and can produce in space. Neither are going to make a living between the tackles. Cam wasn't rated as high, doesn't have quite the quickness or top end speed, thus a poor man's version of Amir. This is what I was saying.
 

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Both are relatively small in stature, can catch the ball out of the backfield, have good lateral movement and can produce in space. Neither are going to make a living between the tackles. Cam wasn't rated as high, doesn't have quite the quickness or top end speed, thus a poor man's version of Amir. This is what I was saying.

Um what? Amir and Cam run nothing alike, yes they are both small and can catch the ball well but that is where the similarities end. Cam is much tougher between the tackles and seems to enjoy contact, while Amir lives more on his quickness/speed and seems to avoid contact.
 
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