2012

[tankjeep]

more like a third year teammate. not much pt before this year.

devolg how does one actually know when another has it? im just curious. not trying to be an a-hole.

for me, it's evidence seen in the way an athlete plays. i just don't see "it" in crist. of course that's my opinion. i could be dead wrong on that, but that's how i view "it".

 

[ACamp1900]

I haven't read through this whole thread because every year I have been on this site a thread like this comes along looking ahead two years... (shows you how little progress has actually been made during that time)

but has anyone even bothered to look at our schedules form 2012 to about 2015ish...

it would take a hell of a team to even get into the BCS with those schedules... let alone a title game

 

[mick2]

for me, it's evidence seen in the way an athlete plays. i just don't see "it" in crist. of course that's my opinion. i could be dead wrong on that, but that's how i view "it".

can you give me some examples of players that have "it"

 

[mick2]

im confused, a qb that averaged 225 yds and 2 td's per game, in his first year as a starter, is somehow terrible and needs to transfer so we can bring in a guy who we know nothing about or in rees's case very little about?

 

[PANDFAN]

for me, it's evidence seen in the way an athlete plays. i just don't see "it" in crist. of course that's my opinion. i could be dead wrong on that, but that's how i view "it".

i completely agree!!!!! looks like a deer in headlights---and I like Crist

can you give me some examples of players that have "it"

Tate, Rocket, Smardjia(sp?), Quinn, Tony R. they are game changers....and right now Crist was certainly not a positive game changer....it is something that is not coached...you have it or or you don't

im confused, a qb that averaged 225 yds and 2 td's per game, in his first year as a starter, is somehow terrible and needs to transfer so we can bring in a guy who we know nothing about or in rees's case very little about?

system's make numbers scewed...look at Hawaii or Leach's TeX Tech programs...same with ours

 

[devolg]

devolg how does one actually know when another has it? im just curious. not trying to be an a-hole.

I don't know how to explain it & I'm sorry. I just have no confidence in Crist. Maybe it's based more in personal opinion rather than numbers? I don't know.

 

[lookingdeadred]

I'll be honest

I'll be honest

I do not get what you are saying, not by a long shot. You equate injury prone with having no heart. I suspect Pike does not play if he blew his patellar tendon or his ACL. No amount of heart can allow you to play with injuries of that magnitude, unlike a broken non-throwing arm.

I get what you're saying but I see Pike as maybe being the exception. That kid had heart. I can't see Crist playing with a broken arm, let alone throwing for 2 TD's with it? I just don't see him being that kind of competitor. Pike had an ability to adapt to the situation.

 

[devolg]

I do not get what you are saying, not by a long shot. You equate injury prone with having no heart. I suspect Pike does not play if he blew his patellar tendon or his ACL. No amount of heart can allow you to play with injuries of that magnitude, unlike a broken non-throwing arm.

I wasn't comparing injuries. Wasn't insinuating Dayne should play through his. Was using that as an example of the the drive & desire to adapt, play & win Pike had that I believe Crist doesnt.

 

[mick2]

i completely agree!!!!! looks like a deer in headlights---and I like Crist


Tate, Rocket, Smardjia(sp?), Quinn, Tony R. they are game changers....and right now Crist was certainly not a positive game changer....it is something that is not coached...you have it or or you don't

system's make numbers scewed...look at Hawaii or Leach's TeX Tech programs...same with ours

did you see tate, quinn, or rice's first year starting? not exactly game changers from the start.

systems skew numbers? i don't understand this argument.

how can you say he wasn't a positive gamechanger!? he accounted for almost half of our offensive points!!!

 

[mick2]

I don't know how to explain it & I'm sorry. I just have no confidence in Crist. Maybe it's based more in personal opinion rather than numbers? I don't know.

opinions are like a--holes everybody's got one and they all stink!

haha jk. opinions is what this board is about.

but i think a lot of fans are suffering from the "grass is always greener" syndrome and forget if it werent for crist we wouldn't be bowl eligible this season.

 

[OCIrish]

In Crists defense a little, our defense is playing so much better in the last half of the season then they did the first half. Did Dayne make some mistakes? Of course he did, but by the same token so has Tommy. Why don't we all give our opinions a break and let them have it out on the field.

 

[lookingdeadred]

Sounds good

Sounds good

I look forward to Crist, Rees, and company fighting it out for the job. I hope BK has a really hard time picking one.

In Crists defense a little, our defense is playing so much better in the last half of the season then they did the first half. Did Dayne make some mistakes? Of course he did, but by the same token so has Tommy. Why don't we all give our opinions a break and let them have it out on the field.

 

[GreatGolson]

I think as soon as Golson steps on campus the competition will be OVER

 

[IrishLax]

I think as soon as Golson steps on campus the competition will be OVER

You and Riddickulous are the worst jinxes ever.

 

[JughedJones]

You and Riddickulous are the worst jinxes ever.

Man.... I really wish people would stop the madness..

 

[NDinL.A.]

I think as soon as Golson steps on campus the competition will be OVER

That's fine, but that's like 8 posts in a row where you're doing nothing but talking about Golson, whether it is about him or not. You're even doing it on recruits' threads. Are you going to start hijacking all threads just to play your little game of overhyping Golson? Because it's already starting to get old bro. Just sayin'...

 

[Dizzyphil]

You and Riddickulous are the worst jinxes ever.

What?!?! Dude get a grip and listen to them... Beano Cook said Ron Powlus would win the Heisman twice and look what happened.........oh $hit,....

IrishLax is right, you guys need to shut up already!!!!




Diz

 

[tankjeep]

I haven't read through this whole thread because every year I have been on this site a thread like this comes along looking ahead two years... (shows you how little progress has actually been made during that time)

but has anyone even bothered to look at our schedules form 2012 to about 2015ish...

it would take a hell of a team to even get into the BCS with those schedules... let alone a title game

agreed, that schedule is going to be brutal for each season. btw, love CELTIC!!!!!!!!!

 

[tankjeep]

can you give me some examples of players that have "it"

michael vick. i know his skillset is different that crist, but in college he had the "it" that i'm referring to. i'd say j.c. but i think he had to work himself to that point, where vick just had "it".

another one or two for college.....vince young or cam newton. or pryor for that matter.

all those guys have "it" and would be my examples. hope that helps.

 

[phork]

I don't know about Pryor. He has been unimpressive, atleast to me anyways.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Dayne just seemed uncomfortable. I think that if he would have played the regular season out, participated in the bowl/practices, and practiced in the spring he'd be a ton more comfortable and knowledgeable. I just don't see him being better by the end of Fall camp then he was before Tulsa. I think the other guys will be night and day better because they have been participating in the system, Dayne has not.

 

[tankjeep]

I don't know about Pryor. He has been unimpressive, atleast to me anyways.

i haven't watch him this season, but in the rose ball last year.....he played great, imo.

 

[tankjeep]

Dayne just seemed uncomfortable. I think that if he would have played the regular season out, participated in the bowl/practices, and practiced in the spring he'd be a ton more comfortable and knowledgeable. I just don't see him being better by the end of Fall camp then he was before Tulsa. I think the other guys will be night and day better because they have been participating in the system, Dayne has not.

i understand the system argument, but like someone already pointed out.....his throws were awful in the red zone. his touch wasn't there at all.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

i understand the system argument, but like someone already pointed out.....his throws were awful in the red zone. his touch wasn't there at all.

Yeah he's got a ton of work to do in a limited time frame. It's gonna be a up hill battle for him, for sure.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

The QB battle will be interesting and fun to watch. I would not count out Dayne by any means, but he will have to be much improved and fully rehabilitated to get the starting job in my opinion. Rees has done a decent job, but I honestly don't see him as a number 1 next season either. With Golsen, Hendrix, Crist and Rees we will have one heck of a Spring to see who is best prepared to lead this team next season. I love that we have such a deep pool of talent at the QB position because competition makes guys better and make no mistake about it...,, these kids will compete.

 

[mick2]

michael vick. i know his skillset is different that crist, but in college he had the "it" that i'm referring to. i'd say j.c. but i think he had to work himself to that point, where vick just had "it".

another one or two for college.....vince young or cam newton. or pryor for that matter.

all those guys have "it" and would be my examples. hope that helps.

vick? come on dude! he's a freak, so is newton,

J.C. Has "it" according to you, but you said he had to work to that point, and you wont let dayne work himself to that point? same with v. young, and pryor, all of them were average at best their first years starting and their second and third year starting is when they really produced.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Well, I believe to have 'it', you have to have 'that'. That consists of a solid offensive line, a decent threat at running back, and wide receivers that can read man to man, zone and blitz coverages that react well with the QB.

If anyone looks at any QB that has had any type of college success, they have had a combination of 'that' to help them become 'it'.


Diz

 

[ChiefSecond]

I am always very surprised and actually disappointed in the amount of faith you guys put in Crist.
He has a cannon.....SO WHAT? He's not accurate at all when it counts, is very tentative, and i really think it comes down to the fact that he just might not be that smart. He just can't make a good read and quick decision out there.
And after watching tommy reese play I don't want to hear about it being his first year in the BK system..because the freshman has had less reps and overall experience than crist but picked up the offense a lot better. He can actually run a quick strike spread and not look like a robot.

Ultimately i think rees is too small and this means we're going with Hendrix..who by all indications is very talented, but once again we'll have to deal with first yr growing pains next season..especially without floyd and rudolph(they would be crazy to comeback) and daniels and atkinson aren't going to step in as big factors only being freshman. But long term this team could be deadly.

I dont really want to hear about Gholson. Never been a big fan of this time of QB..they're quick no doubt..but can never truly throw the ball. Best case is a one in a million denard robinson...but he's not real qb either (pygmie/no accuracy), and won't last next season without major injury.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I am always very surprised and actually disappointed in the amount of faith you guys put in Crist.
He has a cannon.....SO WHAT? He's not accurate at all when it counts, is very tentative, and i really think it comes down to the fact that he just might not be that smart. He just can't make a good read and quick decision out there.
And after watching tommy reese play I don't want to hear about it being his first year in the BK system..because the freshman has had less reps and overall experience than crist but picked up the offense a lot better. He can actually run a quick strike spread and not look like a robot.

Ultimately i think rees is too small and this means we're going with Hendrix..who by all indications is very talented, but once again we'll have to deal with first yr growing pains next season..especially without floyd and rudolph(they would be crazy to comeback) and daniels and atkinson aren't going to step in as big factors only being freshman. But long term this team could be deadly.

I dont really want to hear about Gholson. Never been a big fan of this time of QB..they're quick no doubt..but can never truly throw the ball. Best case is a one in a million denard robinson...but he's not real qb either (pygmie/no accuracy), and won't last next season without major injury.

If you don't want to hear about Golson, then you're going to hate watching ND football because he could very well be the future of our program. The thing is, something tells me you have never read about him nor seen his film, and you think he's a runner and not able to throw b/c he's black and/or they told you he was fast. Golson isn't a runner first...quite the opposite. He runs to avoid trouble and escape the pocket looking to throw; he would much rather pass the ball than run. And on his accuracy, his coach and scouts call him extremely accurate. Dude, just look at his numbers; they're crazy. And look at his film...it's crazy too.

And to say these types of QBs never work out...are you serious? Steve Young laughs at you (oh wait, he's wait, and it's illegal to compare white guys to blacks). So does Vince Young, Michael Vick, Charlie Ward, Steve McNair (college version), Colt McCoy (oops, white guy), etc etc etc.

Just an epic fail there dude.

(oh, and on Crist, go look up the numbers of first year starting QBs all over the board, and then get back to me. You NEVER give up on guys with that much talent this early in their careers. He deserves every chance to compete for a starting spot next year, which he will get. What's so wrong about that?)

 

[jason_h537]

Things that were done differently with Crist and Rees

Crist got chewed out constantly while Rees was babied

Kelly started running the ball A WHOLE LOT more with Rees instead of just flinging it with Crist

Rees was never asked to run.

Despite all those Crist still put up better numbers than Rees and it was not close. Rees is a good QB and i am very happy that he is on the team but stop talking as if there is no future with Crist