'19 MO RB Kyren Williams (Notre Dame Signee)

[T-Boone]

That one on the Avery Davis catch is probably more important than any of his touch downs because that looks like ball game if he doesn't get it perfect.

 

[notredomer23]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Only players with 3+ rushing TDs in a game vs Clemson since 2014: <br><br>&#55356;&#57288; Kyren Willaims, Notre Dame (2020)<br>&#55356;&#57288; Dalvin Cook, Florida State (2016)<br>&#55356;&#57288; Derrick Henry, Alabama (2015)<br>&#55356;&#57288; Todd Gurley, Georgia (2014) <a href="https://t.co/pJM0AJ5rV1">pic.twitter.com/pJM0AJ5rV1</a></p>— PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1325826291002568710?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Free Manera]

This kid is so well-rounded already. He could be a first round back by the time he's done. He's only gonna get stronger. I know Book had to get the game ball but man, ND loses the game without Kyren, for sure.

 

[BeauBenken]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Only players with 3+ rushing TDs in a game vs Clemson since 2014: <br><br>�� Kyren Willaims, Notre Dame (2020)<br>�� Dalvin Cook, Florida State (2016)<br>�� Derrick Henry, Alabama (2015)<br>�� Todd Gurley, Georgia (2014) <a href="https://t.co/pJM0AJ5rV1">pic.twitter.com/pJM0AJ5rV1</a></p>— PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1325826291002568710?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He probably should've had a fourth too.

 

[arahop]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Only players with 3+ rushing TDs in a game vs Clemson since 2014: <br><br>�� Kyren Willaims, Notre Dame (2020)<br>�� Dalvin Cook, Florida State (2016)<br>�� Derrick Henry, Alabama (2015)<br>�� Todd Gurley, Georgia (2014) <a href="https://t.co/pJM0AJ5rV1">pic.twitter.com/pJM0AJ5rV1</a></p>— PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1325826291002568710?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'll say this about Kyren Williams, He's the absolute best running back we've had in years. Certainly the best since Autry Denson IMO.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Someone needs to find Koon and show him that clip of Kyren blocking and ask if he still thinks Kyren was a wasted offer.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'll say this about Kyren Williams, He's the absolute best running back we've had in years. Certainly the best since Autry Denson IMO.

Over Julius Jones?

 

[Irish du Nord]

Over Julius Jones?

Idk man I think Darius Walker was better than Julius Jones

 

[GowerND11]

Idk man I think Darius Walker was better than Julius Jones

I think Walker had a better career, but I think Jones was better. Also let's not forget Ryan Grant.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Idk man I think Darius Walker was better than Julius Jones

Are you high?

Who holds the single game rushing record for Notre Dame?


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[Irish du Nord]

Are you high?

Who holds the single game rushing record for Notre Dame?


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Who had more career rushing yards despite only playing 3 seasons to the other's 4?

JJ was undeniably fantastic don't get me wrong, I just think Walker was slightly better due to his instant impact (freshman rushing record) and impact in the passing game.

 

[ulukinatme]

Are you high?

Who holds the single game rushing record for Notre Dame?


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One game does not a career make.

 

[NDisme]

I loved Julius Jones one thing I’ll say about Walker, he had the best vision I’ve seen by a running back. It completely made up for his lack of explosiveness

 

[NDFAN420]

On the same team, all things being equal, Jones in RB1 and Walker is RB2.

 

[ulukinatme]

On the same team, all things being equal, Jones in RB1 and Walker is RB2.

On a BK team, Walker was probably the more complete back and is RB1. I always saw Jones more like Dexter Williams. Fantastic runner, but not as great a blocker or pass catcher. Walker had 43 receptions in 2005, and 56 the next year. Jones never had more than 10.

 

[NDFAN420]

On a BK team, Walker was probably the more complete back and is RB1. I always saw Jones more like Dexter Williams. Fantastic runner, but not as great a blocker or pass catcher. Walker had 43 receptions in 2005, and 56 the next year. Jones never had more than 10.

I'm sorry but there's just a huge difference in talent between a RB who is a 2nd rd pick and one who went undrafted no matter how good he looked in college. I loved DWalker, but I can't see a coach starting him over Julius Jones. The talent gap is too big.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm sorry but there's just a huge difference in talent between a RB who is a 2nd rd pick and one who went undrafted no matter how good he looked in college. I loved DWalker, but I can't see a coach starting him over Julius Jones. The talent gap is too big.

Getting drafted isn't always an indicator of skill level at the college level, sometimes it's what you're projected to do or it's a size thing. There are players with better stats than higher draft picks that go undrafted. Jones had a few more total TDs compared to Walker, but Walker actually had more combined yards overall and he only played 3 years. He was a workhorse that could run, catch, and his blocking wasn't bad. I can't say what other coaches would have done, but I'm fairly certain BK would have had Walker as RB1 because he was the more complete back. That's what he's done in the past: Tony Jones over Dexter, Josh Adams over Dexter, Cam frickin' McDaniel over GAIII (RIP) and Greg Bryant (RIP), Theo Riddick over Cierre Wood, the list goes on. I rest my case.

 

[arahop]

Over Julius Jones?

Loved Julius. Kyren probably goes pro after next year. If Kyren stays healthy this year and next year he will pass Jones 26 TDs. Julius played 4 full years. Different eras. I like that we can make this comparison and he's a freshman this year eligibility wise. He's special

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I'm just happy to have Kyren for at least one more year.

 

[NDFAN420]

Getting drafted isn't always an indicator of skill level at the college level, sometimes it's what you're projected to do or it's a size thing. There are players with better stats than higher draft picks that go undrafted. Jones had a few more total TDs compared to Walker, but Walker actually had more combined yards overall and he only played 3 years. He was a workhorse that could run, catch, and his blocking wasn't bad. I can't say what other coaches would have done, but I'm fairly certain BK would have had Walker as RB1 because he was the more complete back. That's what he's done in the past: Tony Jones over Dexter, Josh Adams over Dexter, Cam frickin' McDaniel over GAIII (RIP) and Greg Bryant (RIP), Theo Riddick over Cierre Wood, the list goes on. I rest my case.

Jones was Parcells' top choice at RB. Tony Jones and Josh Adams don't make the case you think they do, Dexter wasn't seeing the field for other reasons. I just don't think you appreciate how much more dynamic Jones was than DWalker. It's not particularly close. In fact, you make a great case for DWalker to replace Jones on passing downs.

 

[ulukinatme]

Jones was Parcells' top choice at RB. Tony Jones and Josh Adams don't make the case you think they do, Dexter wasn't seeing the field for other reasons. I just don't think you appreciate how much more dynamic Jones was than DWalker. It's not particularly close. In fact, you make a great case for DWalker to replace Jones on passing downs.

He may have been top choice at RB, but he only had a few good years in Dallas before they moved on from him. I'm not even sure why you're making such an argument for Jones, he was possibly not even the best back on the team in some years he was there. Ryan Grant ended up with a more successful career, racking up some post season accolades with the Packers and setting some franchise records.

This has absolutely nothing to do with who is more dynamic than who. This is about which RB should and does get the start. Maybe other coaches start a dynamic back first, but Kelly has shown time and time again he takes the most complete back as starter and then sprinkles the others in. Dexter may not have seen the field for other reasons, but the point still stands. Dexter was not a complete back until his senior year, and even then his pass blocking needed work and his 16 receptions were as many as Jafar Armstrong. The fact is Dexter is not an every down RB, he's shown at the next level he still struggles with pass protection. For those same reasons, given Kelly's past history he almost certainly starts Walker over Jones because Walker had 5x more receptions and was a better pass blocker in comparison. Jones was basically GAIII, but he knew how to stay low and was elusive.

 

[Ndaccountant]

The one thing about Julius Jones that you need to remember is that he split carries with Tony Fisher and Ryan Grant. He also played with QB's that were "challenged". to say the least. Walker had the benefit of Quinn and the more offensive friendly scheme.

 

[NDFAN420]

LOL, the talent level between the two isn't close at all. I'm sorry but I think you're letting fandom get in the way of analysis. You're talking about a 5* recruit, college AllAmerican, and NFL starter (for Bill Parcells) vs. a guy who was none of those things. Pedigree + talent = RB1 every day and twice on Sat and Sun.

It's just not close between the two. At all. I can't write that enough.

Maybe do DWalker and Lee Becton. Becton was my guy, but I had accept that he wasn't as good as I thought either.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm just happy to have Kyren for at least one more year.

Yep, the young OL better be putting in the work because Kyren has a Heisman campaign to get ready for.

 

[dublinirish]

Yep, the young OL better be putting in the work because Kyren has a Heisman campaign to get ready for.

OL next year is going to be huge drop off IMO, there will be many many growing pains

 

[NDFAN420]

OL next year is going to be huge drop off IMO, there will be many many growing pains

Agreed, do you know any RBs who can pass protect?

 

[Luckylucci]

OL next year is going to be huge drop off IMO, there will be many many growing pains

I'm not ready to make the determination yet. I'll have to see what decisions are made. It'll be interesting to see how many from this group do indeed turn pro. If all 4 go, I could see a fairly significant drop off but for some reason I don't think that happens.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I'm not ready to make the determination yet. I'll have to see what decisions are made. It'll be interesting to see how many from this group do indeed turn pro. If all 4 go, I could see a fairly significant drop off but for some reason I don't think that happens.

Especially if Banks returns to play LT. Assuming he can be good/healthy, Patterson returns, and then we should remember that Lugg and Gibbons have started games too. It'd be a better situation than 2018 where basically the only returning starters were Bars for a few games and the rotation of Kraemer and Hainsey.

 

[Luckylucci]

Especially if Banks returns to play LT. Assuming he can be good/healthy, Patterson returns, and then we should remember that Lugg and Gibbons have started games too. It'd be a better situation than 2018 where basically the only returning starters were Bars for a few games and the rotation of Kraemer and Hainsey.

Something that I always continually need to remind myself of is, when players return, we expect them to get better, like Patterson is right now. So, if Patterson and only one other guys returns, we are likely better at two spots. With Lugg, I think the drop off, if there was any, would be minimal. He'll have an entire offseason of reps as the #1 somewhere. Then you have a bunch of highly recruited guys that will have been in the program for multiple years for 2 spots.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Especially if Banks returns to play LT. Assuming he can be good/healthy, Patterson returns, and then we should remember that Lugg and Gibbons have started games too. It'd be a better situation than 2018 where basically the only returning starters were Bars for a few games and the rotation of Kraemer and Hainsey.

Would we slide Kristofiic to RT then? And Correll to RG with Lugg at LG?