'16 HI S Alohi Gilman (Navy Transfer)

[GBdomer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrDCmCVMheo

his brother?

Seems like a boss

 

[Big23Head]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Safety Alohi Gilman Transfers to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a><a href="https://t.co/z1aJjMZjic">https://t.co/z1aJjMZjic</a></p>— Matt Freeman (@mattfreemanISD) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattfreemanISD/status/873288047491776513">June 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame signs Navy transfer safety <a href="https://twitter.com/alohigilman">@alohigilman</a>: <a href="https://t.co/mxeC1RD0l8">https://t.co/mxeC1RD0l8</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/873288060930314240">June 9, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[BobbyMac]

I hope this doesn't sink Paul Moala's chance at a scholarship if he's worthy. That family has been all about the Irish since they got to Michiana.

Anything about if they are going to be petitioning the NCAA for immediate eligibility?

Who knew BK's silly surfboard would end up being such a effective recruiting tool? Mahala!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Officially Committed to Notre Dame. Thank you to ND for giving me this opportunity. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash">#GoIrish</a> ☘️ <a href="https://t.co/YWQ3vTHZI9">pic.twitter.com/YWQ3vTHZI9</a></p>— Alohi Gilman (@alohigilman) <a href="https://twitter.com/alohigilman/status/873291366612189184">June 9, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're excited to welcome S Alohi Gilman (<a href="https://twitter.com/alohigilman">@alohigilman</a>).<br><br>He had 76 tackles as a freshman at Navy in 2016.<br><br>➡️ READ: <a href="https://t.co/aeigJD2ZZi">https://t.co/aeigJD2ZZi</a> <a href="https://t.co/jysnEuTZOm">pic.twitter.com/jysnEuTZOm</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/873287805878890497">June 9, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[FDNYIrish1]

2 new Hawaiian kids on roster should help with some recruiting the island, is that a correct assumption? Welcome kid.

 

[BobbyMac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrDCmCVMheo

his brother?

Seems like a boss

Yep, that's him.

2 new Hawaiian kids on roster should help with some recruiting the island, is that a correct assumption? Welcome kid.

Can't hurt but did the flood gates open when Manti was in South Bend? If he can't get them signing by the handful for a team that played in the NC, will MTA and Alohi?

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Truth Crusader. Im hoping we can nab a couple more with Polian working the islands and a couple of young guys on the roster. Poly kids are tough as nails, love that warrior culture.

 

[#1rish]

Huge news. Needed safety help so very badly

 

[HawaiianIrish]

Cheeeeee huuuuuuuuu. Another local boy at our Mother. Great news. Alohi was a stud at Kahuku and Navy. Go Irish.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Awesome news! Go Irish!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Cheeeeee huuuuuuuuu. Another local boy at our Mother. Great news. Alohi was a stud at Kahuku and Navy. Go Irish.

Was wondering if you were going to chime in.

Are you able to go into detail on a scouting report of the kid?

Also, how he is as a person overall?


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[irishog77]

Was wondering if you were going to chime in.

Are you able to go into detail on a scouting report of the kid?

Also, how he is as a person overall?


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Also, what did he have for breakfast?

 

[woolybug25]

This is a huge pickup. Oftentimes we get hung up on ratings, camp performances and measurables because frankly that's all we can go on. Not to pick on former players; but take Max Redfield who just never met potential and Hoge who couldn't crack the two deep. These were top 100 recruits that were simply not as good as their ratings suggested for us (who knows, maybe they could/will meet expectations elsewhere).

But this is different. We KNOW this kid can play at this level. We have him for up to three years of eligibility. The Not to mention at a position we've been sorely needing production from. Just a massive move for our roster. Welcome young man.

 

[koonja]

He eligible this year or is this a RS year?

 

[woolybug25]

He eligible this year or is this a RS year?

Depends on if he petitions the NCAA for a hardship. But he had three years of eligibility.

 

[dwshade]

This is a huge pickup. Oftentimes we get hung up on ratings, camp performances and measurables because frankly that's all we can go on. Not to pick on former players; but take Max Redfield who just never met potential and Hoge who couldn't crack the two deep. These were top 100 recruits that were simply not as good as their ratings suggested for us (who knows, maybe they could/will meet expectations elsewhere).

But this is different. We KNOW this kid can play at this level. We have him for up to three years of eligibility. The Not to mention at a position we've been sorely needing production from. Just a massive move for our roster. Welcome young man.

Couldn't agree more. Was not expecting a decision this fast. He and Derrick Allen make a great pair of safeties for this class.

 

[Crazy Balki]

He eligible this year or is this a RS year?

This situation is quite tricky. He's already technically redshirted (Navy doesn't field true freshman IIRC).

Now under normal circumstances, he'd have to sit out the year since he's a non-grad transfer. But for Gilman, it's not that simple. The Military Academies have a service requirement, that is put into effect once a cadet enters his Junior year. Once he hits that mark, he's required to complete a commitment to an active duty term. I'm sure his original intentions were to use football to complete the academy and get commissioned, but now he has legitimate NFL potential and can't pursue that at the Naval Academy because he'd have to complete his term of service. So it seems perfectly legitimate that he'd wish to pursue his NFL dream by transferring before he has to incur said service which would certainly cripple his chances of making it in the league.

IMO, that's warranting of approval for a waiver to play immediately.

 

[BGIF]

This situation is quite tricky. He's already technically redshirted (Navy doesn't field true freshman IIRC).

I believe Navy doesn't play many freshman because of their talent level and size. Navy doesn't get the 4 and 5 star, sub 4.5 kids that can be plugged into major programs. Likewise, like ND and the football machines, most OLs and DLs don't have the bulk, strength, not technique to step onto the field as freshman.

Here's a case of Navy Freshman playing:
Navy freshman QB pulled from stands to play vs. Fordham | NCAA.com

9/3/16

In the middle of a busy opening college football Saturday, Navy might take the cake for the most bizarre story.

Freshman quarterback Malcolm Perry, the fourth-string quarterback for the Midshipmen, was not dressed prior to their opener against Fordham. But after starter Tago Smith went down with an injury, the Clarksville, Tennessee, native was pulled out of the Brigade and put onto the sideline.

But that was where the weird story was just beginning. After Navy opened up a very comfortable 49-13 lead late in the third quarter, Navy coach Ken Niumatalolo handed the keys to the offense to Perry, marking his collegiate debut. ...

Here's another Navy freshman who if I recall correctly had a couple of wins over ND as an upperclassman:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...dshipmen-quarterback-keenan-reynolds/1747441/

After playing in Tennessee's high school all-star game last season, Keenan Reynolds watched the Army-Navy game on TV at a restaurant with his family. Navy was recruiting him.

"The previous years, I didn't really sit down and watch like entire games. … Great game, back and forth, lot of emotional highs and lows … and the atmosphere was great,'' Reynolds says of Navy's 27-21 win.

He won't be watching Saturday. He'll start as a freshman quarterback for Navy against Army.

At the academy, he's a plebe (short for the Latin word plebeian, meaning a lower class). During Plebe Summer, he wore a white sailor cap edged in blue. He learned to call a wall a bulkhead.

Class distinctions disappear when it comes to football.

"He's played as calm and collected as any guy that I've ever been around, freshman or senior," says Navy coach Ken Niumatalolo.

Reynolds's breakout came Oct. 6 at Air Force. Navy had started the season 1-3. It trailed Air Force trailed 21-13 with 9:03 left when Reynolds replaced injured junior Trey Miller. With his passing and running, including a 15-yard TD run, Reynolds led Navy to a 28-21 overtime win.

The next week, making the first start by a freshman quarterback at Navy since Jim Kubiak in 1991, ...

Now under normal circumstances, he'd have to sit out the year since he's a non-grad transfer. But for Gilman, it's not that simple. The Military Academies have a service requirement, that is put into effect once a cadet enters his Junior year. Once he hits that mark, he's required to complete a commitment to an active duty term. I'm sure his original intentions were to use football to complete the academy and get commissioned, but now he has legitimate NFL potential and can't pursue that at the Naval Academy because he'd have to complete his term of service. So it seems perfectly legitimate that he'd wish to pursue his NFL dream by transferring before he has to incur said service which would certainly cripple his chances of making it in the league.

IMO, that's warranting of approval for a waiver to play immediately.

The USNA had the 3rd year service commitment requirement when Gilman accepted an NCAA Scholarship to play. It was NOT a new requirement added during his 5 year NCAA window. There is no "changed condition".

The case you lay out shows this is strictly for Gilmore's convenience (career objectives) and not for a family hardship or some other necessity.

He can apply for a waiver (I never understood how Amir Carlisle got a waiver to tranfer from USC to ND because his dad worked at Purdue.) but I strongly hope he comes up with something more substantive than he didn't want to become an ensign with a 5 year naval commitment.

 

[dwshade]

I think even ND fully expects him to have to sit out this season.

 

[irishandy]

This is a huge pickup. Oftentimes we get hung up on ratings, camp performances and measurables because frankly that's all we can go on. Not to pick on former players; but take Max Redfield who just never met potential and Hoge who couldn't crack the two deep. These were top 100 recruits that were simply not as good as their ratings suggested for us (who knows, maybe they could/will meet expectations elsewhere).

But this is different. We KNOW this kid can play at this level. We have him for up to three years of eligibility. The Not to mention at a position we've been sorely needing production from. Just a massive move for our roster. Welcome young man.

Well said! The rating system has become a fluke to me. I don't care if a kid is a 5* or a 3*. If a kid can play and he wants to compete at ND along with getting a good degree sign him up. I think he had 12 tackles against us last year.

 

[BGIF]

ND PR on Gilman

ND PR on Gilman

Alohi Gilman Transfers To Notre Dame :: Notre Dame Football :: UND.COM :: The Official Site of Notre Dame Athletics


Alohi Gilman Transfers To Notre Dame
Gilman will have three years of eligibility remaining

June 9, 2017

NOTRE DAME, Indiana - Brian Kelly, the Dick Corbett Head Football Coach at the University of Notre Dame, announced Friday that safety Alohi Gilman has transferred to the University from the United States Naval Academy. Gilman will be eligible to play for the Fighting Irish starting with the 2018 season.

“I’m extremely grateful to be a part of the Notre Dame family,” Gilman said. “I’m thankful to the coaching staff and the man above for not only believing in me, but also providing this opportunity. I’m excited for this next chapter in my journey.”

“First of all, Alohi is a great fit here in terms of his character and also what he wants to achieve academically,” Kelly said. “Clearly, that’s primary in our recruiting. Secondly, in terms of his football fit, we got a good look of him against us last season. He plays the style of safety we want in this program. Alohi’s a run-and-hit safety that fits perfectly in the Mike Elko defense.”

Gilman played a key role on the Midshipmen defense as a true freshman in 2016. The Laie, Hawai'i, native appeared in 14 games and started 12, including three different positions (outside linebacker, corner and safety). Gilman registered 76 tackles and five pass breakups -- both ranked as the second most on the squad. He recorded 50 solo stops, five tackles for loss (third best on Navy), two fumble recoveries, including one for a touchdown, and one forced fumble.

A 2015 graduate of Kahuku High School with honors, Gilman attended the Naval Academy Prep School during the 2015-16 academic year. He was a three-sport athlete in basketball, football and track & field, who lettered three times in football at three different schools. Gilman earned all-state football honors as a senior in 2014 and all-region recognition as a junior in ‘13.

YEAR   G-GS	UA	AT	TT	TFL	SCKS	INT	PBU	FR	FF
2016	14-12	50	26	76	5.0-10	0.0-0	0-0	5	2-2	1

GILMAN’S HONORS & AWARDS
Eastern College Athletic Conference (ECAC) Rookie of the Year (2016)
Honorable Mention All-AAC (2016)
AAC Defensive Player of the Week (Sept. 11, 2016)
Honorable Mention Jim Thorpe Defensive Back of the Week (Sept. 11, 2016)

GILMAN’S CAREER HIGHS
Tackles: 12, vs. Notre Dame, Nov. 5, 2016 (5-7)
Tackles for loss: 2.0, at USF, Oct. 28, 2016 (2-0)
Fumbles forced: 1, UConn, Sept. 10, 2016
Fumbles recovered: 2, UConn, Sept. 10, 2016
Longest fumble return: 2, UConn, Sept. 10, 2016
Longest TD fumble return: 2, UConn, Sept. 10, 2016
Pass breakups: 2, Houston, Oct. 8, 2016

-- ND --​

 

[T-Boone]

He likes to pick to QBs pocket in a pack tackle. The fumble recovery for a touchdown he has against UConn he does the exact same play against Kiser in the first quarter in the ND game but Kiser is called down.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I believe Navy doesn't play many freshman because of their talent level and size. Navy doesn't get the 4 and 5 star, sub 4.5 kids that can be plugged into major programs. Likewise, like ND and the football machines, most OLs and DLs don't have the bulk, strength, not technique to step onto the field as freshman.

Here's a case of Navy Freshman playing:
Navy freshman QB pulled from stands to play vs. Fordham | NCAA.com

9/3/16


Here's another Navy freshman who if I recall correctly had a couple of wins over ND as an upperclassman:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...dshipmen-quarterback-keenan-reynolds/1747441/








The USNA had the 3rd year service commitment requirement when Gilman accepted an NCAA Scholarship to play. It was NOT a new requirement added during his 5 year NCAA window. There is no "changed condition".

The case you lay out shows this is strictly for Gilmore's convenience (career objectives) and not for a family hardship or some other necessity.

He can apply for a waiver (I never understood how Amir Carlisle got a waiver to tranfer from USC to ND because his dad worked at Purdue.) but I strongly hope he comes up with something more substantive than he didn't want to become an ensign with a 5 year naval commitment.

I don't have much info regarding the 3-year commitment rule, so there's probably a way he can avoid the required service had he stayed.

That being said, I fail to see how this wouldn't be justifiable for a waiver. If we're basing this off the assumption that he is required to serve a term as an officer for 4-5 years, then that would directly impede on his ability to pursue an NFL career.

Sorry, but for the NCAA to not at least take that into consideration (not necessarily grant him a waiver strictly because of it) would be foolish and short-sighted on their part. He didn't go into the Navy with any legitimate NFL aspirations, but he's worked hard to garner them, but with the rules as is, he'd have to transfer so he is able to move forward with his goal.

That being said, if his year at Navy Prep doesn't count towards his 3 year cutoff date, then yes, he'd have a year to go and that makes his case for an appeal weaker.

 

[BGIF]

Gilman Loses Final Appeal for '17 Eligibility

Gilman Loses Final Appeal for '17 Eligibility

Navy transfer Gilman not eligible for Notre Dame in 2017
Sept 5 2017

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) — Navy transfer Alohi Gilman is not eligible to play this season for Notre Dame.

Fighting Irish coach Brian Kelly said Tuesday the NCAA denied the school's final appeal for immediate eligibility instead of Gilman sitting out the usual one year required of transfers. He'll be eligible to compete next season.

Gilman started as a freshman last season for Navy and made 76 tackles. He's a versatile defender who lined up as a defensive back and linebacker.

Safeties Nick Coleman and Jalen Elliott are new starters for the Irish this season at a position where the team struggled last season.

 

[brewdog_14527]

Is there some reason here that he would have been eligible? Why would he have been allowed to play?

 

[ulukinatme]

Should have just said he had a sick grandma in Indiana.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Is there some reason here that he would have been eligible? Why would he have been allowed to play?

Service academies changed their policy on allowing pro-caliber athletes to pursue professional careers and defer military service. He wants to leave the door open for an NFL career if things pan out, and the impact of ruling he's eligible would be limited to kids already enrolled in the academies so not long-lasting.

 

[DONTH8]

Today was our first day of classes here at BYU. Showed up for my first class and sat down. (Obviously in my entire ND attire since ND won big and BYU lost big, I always love rubbing that in when i can.) Anyways, the girl next to me asked if I was a Notre Dame fan. I said I was. And she said that her brother just transferred to Notre Dame. Turns out it was Alohi. What are the odds? Anyways, she told me that going into the appeal Alohi figured that it wasn't going to be allowed so he wasn't shocked, just disappointed.

I told her that I felt bad for him, since he has a legit reason but now has to sit a year out, and watch safeties play that might be very suspect this year. Anyways, thought it was just crazy that it came together like that.

 

[BGIF]

Today was our first day of classes here at BYU. Showed up for my first class and sat down. (Obviously in my entire ND attire since ND won big and BYU lost big, I always love rubbing that in when i can.) Anyways, the girl next to me asked if I was a Notre Dame fan. I said I was. And she said that her brother just transferred to Notre Dame. Turns out it was Alohi. What are the odds? Anyways, she told me that going into the appeal Alohi figured that it wasn't going to be allowed so he wasn't shocked, just disappointed.

I told her that I felt bad for him, since he has a legit reason but now has to sit a year out, and watch safeties play that might be very suspect this year. Anyways, thought it was just crazy that it came together like that.

WE expect that now that you have a legitimate source, you will share.

Also suggest to her to stay off the boards herself or at least NOT identify herself because some of the posters can writer very painful things. Boards can be very tough on family members even when there is no intent.

 

[BGIF]

Is there some reason here that he would have been eligible? Why would he have been allowed to play?

Service academies changed their policy on allowing pro-caliber athletes to pursue professional careers and defer military service. He wants to leave the door open for an NFL career if things pan out, and the impact of ruling he's eligible would be limited to kids already enrolled in the academies so not long-lasting.

Expounding on ResLife comments, USNA used to require upperclassmen to sign a pledge of commitment to a service career I believe before starting their junior year. More recently they changed that commitment pledge to the sophomore year. We discussed this in some detail in the Gilman recruiting thread. Gilman was appealing about the change in date of the service commitment, however, it was changed before he committed to attend USNA. He knew what he getting into.

It doesn't matter regarding the outcome of the ruling was according to my opinion, woolys or any other poster here about service commitments and the NFL, NBA, or whatever career. These young men make a commitment after the rules were explained to them. IF the rules weren't explained completely or purposely misstated at the time of signing an LOI/Scholarship then there may be grounds for appeal BUT you still have to prove it. Was there a letter or recorded conversation. They Navy does have copies of recruiting documents, email/guidance to plebes, etc, and the service commitment papers.

Keep in mind those that attend the military academies are doing so with taxpayer dollars not NCAA scholarships. It is a unique situation. I suspect the NCAA will hold internal commitments (signed pledge to serve in the service) to a higher standard than a standard one year Division 1 NCAA scholarship which is renewable every year.

Also keep in mind that military academy students get a monthly stipend of about $900 per month that would be an NCAA violation at other schools.

This situation is nothing like a graduate student transfer which is a very specific transfer under NCAA rules. To begin with you need a degree to qualify. Gilman had somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 credits only about 1/4 of what is needed to be considered for the graduate transfer procedure.