'16 GA QB Jawon Pass (Louisville Verbal)

[NDPhilly]

On the hoof, yeah he looks a lot like Cam, but he isn't nearly as quick or overall as athletic.

 

[Luckylucci]

I was going to say Tahj Boyd. He isn't going to be scoring with his legs from 50+ yds. out but he will be able to keep defenses honest and pick up nice chunk yards 10-15 yds at a time if they don't respect his legs.

 

[ryno 24]

Yea that is actually a much better comparison. Definitely a dual threat, but has a cannon of an arm. At this point I think Henry is the best fit but then I would take Pass. He would fit the power spread that Kelly would run.

 

[ryno 24]

He also looks like he could easily be an in shape 245 by the time he is playing college ball

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I was going to say Tahj Boyd. He isn't going to be scoring with his legs from 50+ yds. out but he will be able to keep defenses honest and pick up nice chunk yards 10-15 yds at a time if they don't respect his legs.

24 sec mark Tajh Boyd asks if you think he can score from 47. haha

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[GBdomer]

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[Luckylucci]

24 sec mark Tajh Boyd asks if you think he can score from 47. haha

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I suppose I could have used my words better but lets not act like Boyd was doing that on a consistent basis. He avg. 2.6 yds/carry last year. Overall Boyd was very good at keeping defenses honest with his legs and picking up small chunks of yards if they didn't respect his legs. Good pull though finding the one play he had last year of around 50 yards.

 

[Luckylucci]

For perspective Cam Newton was 5.6 yds/carry. Marcus Mariota 7.4yds/carry.

 

[anarin]

On the hoof, yeah he looks a lot like Cam, but he isn't nearly as quick or overall as athletic.

So its safe to say he's faster than quick? NEW SLOGAN!

 

[STLDomer]

Per 24/7 ND and OSU are tied for his leader.

Scoop: Nation’s No. 1 dual-threat QB names new leaders

Considering there's talk Haskins could commit to OSU relatively soon that would leave us alone on top...

 

[BeauBenken]

Considering there's talk Haskins could commit to OSU relatively soon that would leave us alone on top...

You make a really good point. OSU has been all over Haskins for about a year or so now. That's his likely destination. We have been in Pass' top two for as long as I can remember now.

I know people have fallen in love with Malik but I think there is a chance Pass tries committing first (not that a commit is imminent) leaving Henry out of our class even if he wants in.

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[Ironman8]

Man I am going to have to take a few minutes and spruce up that profile. Lord, that his hideous.

 

[Ironman8]

Barton Simmons just put in a CB to ND. Hmmmm

 

[yankeeND]

Barton Simmons just put in a CB to ND. Hmmmm

I saw that too. Momentum with the GA boys huh? Would not hurt my feelings to grab two studs from Carver.

 

[Cackalacky]

I saw that too. Momentum with the GA boys huh? Would not hurt my feelings to grab two studs from Carver.

Yes please.

 

[GATTACA!]

How is the #1 DT QB #15 prospect overall not a 5*?

 

[Luckylucci]

Barton Simmons just put in a CB to ND. Hmmmm

And Barton is one of the few 247 guys I give credit to so this is interesting.

 

[yankeeND]

Simmons, Wiltfong, and Warren are the guys I keep an eye on the most, so yeah Iike seeing this. I just got done watching Pass's film and are you kidding me? He is outstanding. The debate of which QB starts here for me and it's actually pretty easy to see why when you watch his tape. Big time arm with great mobility and speed. Henry is great and I wouldn't be mad if that happened, but if not Pass then the other kid I like best is Shea Patterson. He has great film as well and looks like he would excel in Kelly's offense. Difference between the two is that Pass is 3 inches taller and 0.2 a second faster. They both get the job done though and I would like the chase to start with both of them. Very interesting to see who we end up with though because there is some big-time talent in next years QB class!

 

[Ricochet]

Simmons, Wiltfong, and Warren are the guys I keep an eye on the most, so yeah Iike seeing this. I just got done watching Pass's film and are you kidding me? He is outstanding. The debate of which QB starts here for me and it's actually pretty easy to see why when you watch his tape. Big time arm with great mobility and speed. Henry is great and I wouldn't be mad if that happened, but if not Pass then the other kid I like best is Shea Patterson. He has great film as well and looks like he would excel in Kelly's offense. Difference between the two is that Pass is 3 inches taller and 0.2 a second faster. They both get the job done though and I would like the chase to start with both of them. Very interesting to see who we end up with though because there is some big-time talent in next years QB class!

I like Pass and Shea very much but as good as they could be I think there is IMO A gap in talent between Eason and Henry and the next tier of talent that is Costello, Patterson, Pass and Haskins.

That said Pass would be a great get and if Haskins ends up being an early commit to tOSU that could create a chain reaction as that would give ND more of a chance with Henry and Pass might be ND's to lose if he really has tOSU and ND as his co-leaders.

 

[yankeeND]

I like Pass and Shea very much but as good as they could be I think there is IMO A gap in talent between Eason and Henry and the next tier of talent that is Costello, Patterson, Pass and Haskins.

That said Pass would be a great get and if Haskins ends up being an early commit to tOSU that could create a chain reaction as that would give ND more of a chance with Henry and Pass might be ND's to lose if he really has tOSU and ND as his co-leaders.

That's very interesting. I am not the best evaluator of film by any means, but Pass and Patterson's really jump out at me. The other two are great talents and I think they would both do well here, but there is something about these two that I really think would be exceptional in this offense. Great thoughts brother, and I gotta say I would be happy with any of these 4 prospects, I just would prefer 1 of the 3 DT guys.

 

[Irish8248]

I like Pass and Shea very much but as good as they could be I think there is IMO A gap in talent between Eason and Henry and the next tier of talent that is Costello, Patterson, Pass and Haskins.

this --

1a Eason
1b Henry



2 Pass

 

[yankeeND]

this --

1a Eason
1b Henry



2 Pass

I hear what you guys are saying for sure, but do you believe that they are a better fit at ND? I think that even though he is a pocket guy, Kelly could get an awful lot out of Eason considering what He managed with Rees and then how well Pike played for him at Cinci. I think Henry looks great as well, but maybe a little better fit with what he can do with his legs. Like I said, would be happy with any of them, just feel like Pass or Patterson fits what we do better. Thoughts?

I just went back and watched Henry's film again and I would have to agree with you that he stands out a little more. He has the arm to make every throw from what I could tell. Eason does as well. Like I said though I am not great at dissecting film, but there are traits that kind of jump out at you with them both.

 

[Irish8248]

I look at it this way

Eason being a pocket passer MUST be able to read a defense in order to survive. Watching his film you can clearly see him go through progressions. Add on top of killer accuracy and arm strength and you got a great QB. If you can identify the defense and comprehend the schematics then you are halfway there to being good. That was TR biggest advantage. This kid appears to have the same strengths plus stronger arm and way more accurate. Reese mind with Crist tools essentially. Eason weakness of mobility is mitigated when you throw him in the shotgun and take into account the horses we have in running backs and the monsters upfront building a fort knox like pocket... This is the same theory on how Manning can survive in the NFL with no mobility

Henry is a close 2nd. His throwing motion is a little off but nothing too serious, Hes got a strong arm and clearly more athletic than Eason. I just dont see enough progression reads in his film on a consistent basis. Its not always easy to tell so its not a deal breaker. I love the fact hes a pass first QB and he has a strong pocket sense. He will definitely extend the play with his feet if need to be. I forgot if it was Henry or Eason, but one of them already has a pretty legit play action. Thats perfect for the things we want to do.

Difference is I think Eason will be able pick up the offense faster since he doesnt rely on his legs, he has to rely on his mind. So while both Eason and Henry are capable of starting sooner than later, I think Eason would be further along and therefore we can run more of the offense sooner. Thats only going to help his stock as he gets more experienced. But i wouldnt complain if either one wanted to commit

Then theres a significant drop IMO with Pass and the rest of the tier. Pass just doesnt do it for me. Hes got the size and frame to grow but hes a run first QB. There is very little progression in his film. Its almost like they have a predetermined person to throw to and he sits back counts to 3 and chucks it. Thats going to work in HS but not college. Hes also not as mobile as Henry, or at least doesnt appear to be. His running looks a little stiff but hes what 6'4? you tend to expect that. I think hes a developmental project and an unknown quantity. Eason is significantly better in everything minus mobility compared to Pass

So as to fit -- they all fit. I can see an offense all 3 play in. But the ability to bring us to the next level i Think its Eason/Henry then the rest of the guys were considering.

 

[yankeeND]

I look at it this way

Eason being a pocket passer MUST be able to read a defense in order to survive. Watching his film you can clearly see him go through progressions. Add on top of killer accuracy and arm strength and you got a great QB. If you can identify the defense and comprehend the schematics then you are halfway there to being good. That was TR biggest advantage. This kid appears to have the same strengths plus stronger arm and way more accurate. Reese mind with Crist tools essentially. Eason weakness of mobility is mitigated when you throw him in the shotgun and take into account the horses we have in running backs and the monsters upfront building a fort knox like pocket... This is the same theory on how Manning can survive in the NFL with no mobility

Henry is a close 2nd. His throwing motion is a little off but nothing too serious, Hes got a strong arm and clearly more athletic than Eason. I just dont see enough progression reads in his film on a consistent basis. Its not always easy to tell so its not a deal breaker. I love the fact hes a pass first QB and he has a strong pocket sense. He will definitely extend the play with his feet if need to be. I forgot if it was Henry or Eason, but one of them already has a pretty legit play action. Thats perfect for the things we want to do.

Difference is I think Eason will be able pick up the offense faster since he doesnt rely on his legs, he has to rely on his mind. So while both Eason and Henry are capable of starting sooner than later, I think Eason would be further along and therefore we can run more of the offense sooner. Thats only going to help his stock as he gets more experienced. But i wouldnt complain if either one wanted to commit

Then theres a significant drop IMO with Pass and the rest of the tier. Pass just doesnt do it for me. Hes got the size and frame to grow but hes a run first QB. There is very little progression in his film. Its almost like they have a predetermined person to throw to and he sits back counts to 3 and chucks it. Thats going to work in HS but not college. Hes also not as mobile as Henry, or at least doesnt appear to be. His running looks a little stiff but hes what 6'4? you tend to expect that. I think hes a developmental project and an unknown quantity. Eason is significantly better in everything minus mobility compared to Pass

So as to fit -- they all fit. I can see an offense all 3 play in. But the ability to bring us to the next level i Think its Eason/Henry then the rest of the guys were considering.

Thanks for the explanation bro, great stuff! I see what you are saying and actually Mele just broke down Henry's film on ISD and in can definitely appreciate yours and Ricochets views on this much better now. I look forward to seeing the do Eason's and Pass's film now to get a little further detail. Henry, now that it has been pointed out truly is a pass first guy with a first rate arm. Again appreciate your thoughts on this.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I like the idea of this kid playing for ND and possibly opening up a Carver pipeline w/ a Brown flip. But I agree with the above post in that Eason is my main want at QB for the '16 class.

 

[koonja]

I look at it this way

Eason being a pocket passer MUST be able to read a defense in order to survive. Watching his film you can clearly see him go through progressions. Add on top of killer accuracy and arm strength and you got a great QB. If you can identify the defense and comprehend the schematics then you are halfway there to being good. That was TR biggest advantage. This kid appears to have the same strengths plus stronger arm and way more accurate. Reese mind with Crist tools essentially. Eason weakness of mobility is mitigated when you throw him in the shotgun and take into account the horses we have in running backs and the monsters upfront building a fort knox like pocket... This is the same theory on how Manning can survive in the NFL with no mobility

Henry is a close 2nd. His throwing motion is a little off but nothing too serious, Hes got a strong arm and clearly more athletic than Eason. I just dont see enough progression reads in his film on a consistent basis. Its not always easy to tell so its not a deal breaker. I love the fact hes a pass first QB and he has a strong pocket sense. He will definitely extend the play with his feet if need to be. I forgot if it was Henry or Eason, but one of them already has a pretty legit play action. Thats perfect for the things we want to do.

Difference is I think Eason will be able pick up the offense faster since he doesnt rely on his legs, he has to rely on his mind. So while both Eason and Henry are capable of starting sooner than later, I think Eason would be further along and therefore we can run more of the offense sooner. Thats only going to help his stock as he gets more experienced. But i wouldnt complain if either one wanted to commit

Then theres a significant drop IMO with Pass and the rest of the tier. Pass just doesnt do it for me. Hes got the size and frame to grow but hes a run first QB. There is very little progression in his film. Its almost like they have a predetermined person to throw to and he sits back counts to 3 and chucks it. Thats going to work in HS but not college. Hes also not as mobile as Henry, or at least doesnt appear to be. His running looks a little stiff but hes what 6'4? you tend to expect that. I think hes a developmental project and an unknown quantity. Eason is significantly better in everything minus mobility compared to Pass

So as to fit -- they all fit. I can see an offense all 3 play in. But the ability to bring us to the next level i Think its Eason/Henry then the rest of the guys were considering.

I agree that Henry and Eason are above Pass.

But he seems to have really good mechanics. He has 'hot feet' in the pocket, and the ball is always up on the shoulder and he doesn't drop it down like Waller does.

And I don't think he's a run-first guy (which is good, cause he's not fast enough to be).

Check out his plays at 1:02, 5:17, 5:50, and 8:00. He stays in the pocket and/or scrambles but keeps his eyes down field and finds a man open, when it'd be very easy for him to take off and run.

However, I'm not sure on his arm strength. I only watched the first 8 mins, but I didn't see any big time throws.

 

[Grahambo]

Keep in mind, its not a matter of who is the better QB as it is who is the better QB for Kelly's offense.

 

[MoreTeo]

Pass is not a significant drop off from Henry or Eason. Watch his highlights again. I agree he does not read coverages and his athletic ability is no Cam Newton. If you watch his highlights you can easily see he has a cannon, throws well on the run, and seems to hit his targets on the money a lot. I think some are undervaluing his accuracy and he has good enough athletic ability to be a 20-30 yd a game runner. I would also put his deep below as good as Eason's if not better.

 

[Irish8248]

Throwing the ball 70 yds doesn't make you a good QB. Can't read a coverage scheme is a pretty big deal. You kind of want your QB to be able to do that

 

[Grahambo]

Throwing the ball 70 yds doesn't make you a good QB. Can't read a coverage scheme is a pretty big deal. You kind of want your QB to be able to do that

But it's coachable. Throwing a ball 70 yards isn't.


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