'16 GA ATH Demetris Robertson (Georgia Transfer)

[NDty9]

Jmo, Lets let Sanford and crew get in there tomorrow and see how the rumors change after that. As most have been saying, Sanford is a stud! I have a feeling D Rob and family will react quite well to the staff spending the day with them tomorrow !

 

[Luckylucci]

What else were they going to do? Spend a bunch of time on a marginal guy that they don't want?

They covered their bases by going after Nate Johnson, but now it appears that Johnson isn't a possibility. So I don't think you can use the amount of time they've spent on Robertson as a reason to get worked up if they don't land him.

They are all-in on the guys that remain on their board that they have realistic shots at. Spending a bunch of time on Robertson and then not landing him doesn't signal a huge issue, IMO.

I can't speak for Arrowryan but IMO its not just the time spent on Robertson. Its the time spent on Robertson, Kelly, McCulloch, Hamlin, etc. If its just Jones that we close with, this will be a poor evaluation at the close of the class. We've had these too many times and its what is creating depth gaps at certain positions.

Also, marginal talent? There are quite a few prospects that I'd take in this class over not having anyone. If you or they decide its marginal, then that's your opinion. I don't view a lot of those guys as marginal and they provide depth to a team that's proven to need it.

I realize there isn't too much they can do as its, kind of, the built in disadvantages of ND recruiting. However, its been quite a few years now where you'd think they start to figure something out.

Again, a good class overall but not even getting to 25 will be poor management of scholarships again.

 

[irishff1014]

I can't speak for Arrowryan but IMO its not just the time spent on Robertson. Its the time spent on Robertson, Kelly, McCulloch, Hamlin, etc. If its just Jones that we close with, this will be a poor evaluation at the close of the class. We've had these too many times and its what is creating depth gaps at certain positions.

I realize there isn't too much they can do as its, kind of, the built in disadvantages of ND recruiting. However, its been quite a few years now where you'd think they start to figure something out.

Again, a good class overall but not even getting to 25 will be poor management of scholarships again.

Lucci throwing out some truth.

 

[IrishLion]

Also, for Lucky and Arrowryan, I'm not saying that it wouldn't suck if we didn't land him. I'm just saying that the "amount of time" they've put into recruiting him isn't a good reason to be upset, considering the other prospects they landed along the way. It's clear that they haven't been wasting time, whether they get him or not.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not worried about Georgia Tech at all. It would be a waste of talent for him to play in that kind of offense. D Rob going to Georgia Tech would be similar to Stefon Diggs going to Maryland

Funny story about Georgia Tech, as we rarely go head-to-head with them for anyone...

There was a story shared on ISD (I think?) awhile ago about the whole Stephon Tuitt saga. I think it came up in reference to the bad blood between ND and BVG and Paul Johnson who is allegedly a complete psychopath.

They talked about all of the shadiness in getting Tuitt to flip to Georgia Tech, and then they talked about the phone call from Tuitt to Paul Johnson to tell him he wasn't coming and that he was going to Notre Dame.

Paul Johnson apparently lost his mind when Tuitt called him. He was yelling and screaming obscenities and saying things like "I can't believe you're going to play for that small timey guy from Grand Valley State" and talking all kinds of shit about Kelly and the coaches... who were all standing right there while Stephon was on the phone, literally hearing everything Johnson was saying. They said something like "you better tell him we're all here and get off the phone, because we're starting to get pissed off."

Anyways, normally some third rate program like Georgia Tech wouldn't worry me at all, but I'm sure they'll put together a good presentation on how he'd be used on offense, how they've put receivers in the league, how their academics are good... and then they're going to neg recruit the living hell out of Notre Dame. So we'll see what happens.

 

[Luckylucci]

Also, for Lucky and Arrowryan, I'm not saying that it wouldn't suck if we didn't land him. I'm just saying that the "amount of time" they've put into recruiting him isn't a good reason to be upset, considering the other prospects they landed along the way. It's clear that they haven't been wasting time, whether they get him or not.

As posted above its not just Robertson and "amount of time" is one of the best resources recruiters have. Its about identifying the right guys and building relationships. That takes time. "If" this holds true with just Jones in this class. We'll have poorly evaluated multiple closes to classes.

Also, as an example, DT isn't much of a need in this class as we are stock piled. However, I sure as heck would rather add another DT to this class than nobody.

I'm not all up in arms about it but I was looking forward to having us fill up a class and get some much needed depth back into the program.

 

[Irish YJ]

No Tech fan, but I've seen them play several big games due to proximity. The FSU game was phenomenal last year. IMO, DRob could take that offense to another level.

 

[koonja]

No situation specifically, but I'm a little bummed we didn't get some off the wall commit with all of the coaching changes or turmoil. Especially Penn state when the team turned on Franklin since the writing is om the wall there as to how long hell be there.

 

[Luckylucci]

Also, keep in mind that this class could be as big as 27, that's what most sites have been talking about for sometime now. If we close with just Jones that's 4 short. That's not a small number when you consider 23 as the number of signed players.

 

[arrowryan]

I can't speak for Arrowryan but IMO its not just the time spent on Robertson. Its the time spent on Robertson, Kelly, McCulloch, Hamlin, etc. If its just Jones that we close with, this will be a poor evaluation at the close of the class. We've had these too many times and its what is creating depth gaps at certain positions.

Also, marginal talent? There are quite a few prospects that I'd take in this class over not having anyone. If you or they decide its marginal, then that's your opinion. I don't view a lot of those guys as marginal and they provide depth to a team that's proven to need it.

I realize there isn't too much they can do as its, kind of, the built in disadvantages of ND recruiting. However, its been quite a few years now where you'd think they start to figure something out.

Again, a good class overall but not even getting to 25 will be poor management of scholarships again.

Hamlin, especially. Why are they spending so much time on a guy that isn't even guaranteed a spot? Lol. Doesn't make much sense to to have him at the top, or near the top, of your board and stay in constant contact with him but then tell him there is no room. Use the time that you spent on Hamlin on Alloway or a d-lineman.

They just wasted their time and Hamlin's time by recruiting him

 

[zelezo vlk]

What was all the shadiness in getting Tuitt to flip to Tech? That's from before my time.

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[IrishLion]

I just think it's over-the-top to say that ND "can't afford" to lose Robertson for two reasons:

1. The amount of time they've spent recruiting him was never going to change. You can't look back with hindsight and say "they wasted their time!" if we don't get him. These are the types of guys they absolutely should go after, especially if they're in the prospect's top two. Should they stop recruiting guys like this because it might turn into a "waste" of time? No. Literally every staff deals with this when they chase NSD prospects. You run the risk of getting left at the alter at the latest possible hour.

2. He's essentially a luxury at this point, considering the WR position and the other WR's committed in the class. He is not a "need" in terms of depth or numbers at the position, unless there are departures that we don't know about yet (which is completely possible because ND).

It would be crappy as hell to lose out on Robertson. I just don't agree that last-minute decisions by recruits are an indictment of the staff, especially concerning a position that isn't in dire straits. You have to swing for the fences sometimes.

 

[pkt77242]

I just think it's over-the-top to say that ND "can't afford" to lose Robertson for two reasons:

1. The amount of time they've spent recruiting him was never going to change. You can't look back with hindsight and say "they wasted their time!" if we don't get him. These are the types of guys they absolutely should go after, especially if they're in the prospect's top two. Should they stop recruiting guys like this because it might turn into a "waste" of time? No. Literally every staff deals with this when they chase NSD prospects. You run the risk of getting left at the alter at the latest possible hour.

2. He's essentially a luxury at this point, considering the WR position and the other WR's committed in the class. He is not a "need" in terms of depth or numbers at the position, unless there are departures that we don't know about yet (which is completely possible because ND).

It would be crappy as hell to lose out on Robertson. I just don't agree that last-minute decisions by recruits are an indictment of the staff, especially concerning a position that isn't in dire straits. You have to swing for the fences sometimes.

I disagree.
1. McKinley is very good but the other 2 WRs in this class are not instant impact players
2. If you want to compete for championships you need athletes like DR.

I would say more but I am on my phone.

 

[koonja]

I disagree.
1. McKinley is very good but the other 2 WRs in this class are not instant impact players
2. If you want to compete for championships you need athletes like DR.

I would say more but I am on my phone.

I agree with this. Look how impactful a Calvin Ridley can be in year 1, Deshone Watson in year 2, etc. You need someone who just 'doesn't make sense' athletically and can make plays that cannot be game planned against.

 

[Luckylucci]

I just think it's over-the-top to say that ND "can't afford" to lose Robertson for two reasons:

1. The amount of time they've spent recruiting him was never going to change. You can't look back with hindsight and say "they wasted their time!" if we don't get him. These are the types of guys they absolutely should go after, especially if they're in the prospect's top two. Should they stop recruiting guys like this because it might turn into a "waste" of time? No. Literally every staff deals with this when they chase NSD prospects. You run the risk of getting left at the alter at the latest possible hour.

2. He's essentially a luxury at this point, considering the WR position and the other WR's committed in the class. He is not a "need" in terms of depth or numbers at the position, unless there are departures that we don't know about yet (which is completely possible because ND).

It would be crappy as hell to lose out on Robertson. I just don't agree that last-minute decisions by recruits are an indictment of the staff, especially concerning a position that isn't in dire straits. You have to swing for the fences sometimes.

I'm in full agreement that we have to go after these players. 100%.

However, that doesn't change the fact that once again we have no back up plans. This isn't the first time its happened. Last year at S for example. We continue to go all in with a handful of guys leading up to NSD and we aren't finishing the deal. That is leaving depth gaps and unused schollies. So, is it wasting time on Robertson, maybe poor choice of words but it could end up looking like a terrible decision to go all in on this group, with no back ups, when NSD rolls around. Again.

Thinking of this from just a Wr position group is where I differ. I think of this as an 85 man roster or a 25-27 person signing class. Yes, at the WR position you might view Robertson as a luxury but on a 25-27 person class or an 85 man roster a luxury would mean that we've filled or at least closely those numbers, which we won't have done.

 

[ThePiombino]

Hamlin, especially. Why are they spending so much time on a guy that isn't even guaranteed a spot? Lol. Doesn't make much sense to to have him at the top, or near the top, of your board and stay in constant contact with him but then tell him there is no room. Use the time that you spent on Hamlin on Alloway or a d-lineman.

They just wasted their time and Hamlin's time by recruiting him

I was under the impression that Hamlin was the one that backed off once Pride gave his pledge, not the staff.

 

[arrowryan]

I was under the impression that Hamlin was the one that backed off once Pride gave his pledge, not the staff.

I thought they were only taking one of Pride and Hamlin

 

[ThePiombino]

I thought they were only taking one of Pride and Hamlin

I could be wrong, but I think it was about order of commitment. They would have taken Pride then Hamlin, but not Hamlin then Pride. Can anyone confirm?

 

[zelezo vlk]

I thought Pride was top of the board for corners by the end of the year and therefore it was up to him.

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[IrishLax]

I could be wrong, but I think it was about order of commitment. They would have taken Pride then Hamlin, but not Hamlin then Pride. Can anyone confirm?

A lot of people believe that's the case. Mike Frank said something to the effect that if Hamlin was still interested, then we would still be interested.

I think the best read on the situation is that you can only have so many DBs, and we kind of hit a natural max where it was going to be hard for anyone else to want to be part of the class. Whether it was Pride or Hamlin that committed first I ultimately don't think we would have landed another CB after that.

 

[irishff1014]

Loy and Wiltfong both said if this goes after NSD it will be more difficult to land him.

 

[woolybug25]

Loy and Wiltfong both said if this goes after NSD it will be more difficult to land him.

"Water is wet."

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[IrishFanForever23]

Loy and Wiltfong both said if this goes after NSD it will be more difficult to land him.

Wow, we may strike out on NSD besides Jones. That would be a weak finish.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I thought they were only taking one of Pride and Hamlin

ND accepted Pride, and Hamlin then dropped ND. That was just too many DB’s for Hamlin’s liking.

So it wasn’t ND wasting their time at all. What if they didn’t get Pride? You simply have to have a back-up plan. In the past, we were left holding the bag when we didn’t get a recruit or a recruit decommitted. Now we fans complaining when we spend time with our Plan 1A and/or Plan B. Sometimes the coaches can’t win no matter what they do.

 

[irishff1014]

ND accepted Pride, and Hamlin then dropped ND. That was just too many DB’s for Hamlin’s liking.

So it wasn’t ND wasting their time at all. What if they didn’t get Pride? You simply have to have a back-up plan. In the past, we were left holding the bag when we didn’t get a recruit or a recruit decommitted. Now we fans complaining when we spend time with our Plan 1A and/or Plan B. Sometimes the coaches can’t win no matter what they do.

With that said once Pride committed in December Hamlin should have been in the Rear view mirror from then on out.

 

[ryno 24]

With that said once Pride committed in December Hamlin should have been in the Rear view mirror from then on out.

He was the next day he announced that he was dropping ND from his list

 

[ryno 24]

And to be honest, would it be dissapointing not to get Robertson yes but did I ever expect him to come here no. The staff has put in a hell of an effort trying to get him and Kelly and no matter what we are going to end up with a heck of a class.

 

[Big23Head]

Anna saying this looks likely to go past NSD, decision around Feb 15th possible or possibly not sign and report to campus in the summer (ala Roquan Smith). ND staff still confident with in home tomorrow

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Anna saying this looks likely to go past NSD, decision around Feb 15th possible or possibly not sign and report to campus in the summer (ala Roquan Smith). ND staff still confident with in home tomorrow

Is this old? I thought the staff already had their in home?

 

[irishff1014]

Anna saying this looks likely to go past NSD, decision around Feb 15th possible or possibly not sign and report to campus in the summer (ala Roquan Smith). ND staff still confident with in home tomorrow

Well that does not sound good at all for us.