'16 CA LB Caleb Kelly (Oklahoma Verbal)

[PANDFAN]

You are not alone. I know it's a terrible train of thought, but it seems the proof has been in the pudding for the most part.

check the sweatshirt

 

[ThePiombino]

check the sweatshirt

LMFBO

 

[BobbyMac]

If this Caleb wasn't from the capital of Western Oklahoma (Fresno) I'd love ND's chances. He's a solid young man, a Notre Dame level young man.

It'd be a shame for him to follow the others from Fresno to Norman. If the NFL doesn't set him up for life, that degree most likely is not going to get him far unless he has a great career and stays in Oklahoma. No thanks.

Besides ND of course... For Caleb's sake, I'd much rather see him go to UT than OU or Ore. Degrees, markets and alumni association strength are what matters.

Yes I purposely left school 5 off the list.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With Texas visit unlikely, five-star Caleb Kelly said he's considering <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Alabama?src=hash">#Alabama</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TCU?src=hash">#TCU</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LSU?src=hash">#LSU</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash">#USC</a> for fifth trip <a href="http://t.co/Gi94ytZzqi">pic.twitter.com/Gi94ytZzqi</a></p>— Adam Gorney (@adamgorney) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamgorney/status/646725182850121729">September 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Luckylucci]

You are not alone. I know it's a terrible train of thought, but it seems the proof has been in the pudding for the most part.

2015 class
Shaun Crawford
Josh Barajas
Jerry Tillery
Asmar Bilal
Elijah Taylor
Mykelti Williams was upgraded late based on good senior film by only rivals

2014
Nyles Morgan
Andrew Trumbetti
Nick Watkins
Jay Hayes
Grant Blankenship

2013
Jaylon Smith
Max Redfield
Isaac Rochell
Cole Luke
Doug Randolph

Thats a total of 15 or an average of 5 (4 star or better players) over the last 3 years on D. Hardly how you guys are portraying it.

 

[Irish#1]

Can I admit something, maybe I'm not the only one,... when I open a recruiting thread and it's a defender and the stars are all fours and fives, I tend to immediately think, "no shot"...

Can I admit something, maybe I'm not the only one,... when I open a recruiting thread and it's a defender and the stars are all fours and fives, I tend to immediately think, "I want him"

 

[BobbyMac]

2015 class
Shaun Crawford
Josh Barajas
Jerry Tillery
Asmar Bilal
Elijah Taylor
Mykelti Williams was upgraded late based on good senior film by only rivals

2014
Nyles Morgan
Andrew Trumbetti
Nick Watkins
Jay Hayes
Grant Blankenship

2013
Jaylon Smith
Max Redfield
Isaac Rochell
Cole Luke
Doug Randolph

Thats a total of 15 or an average of 5 (4 star or better players) over the last 3 years on D. Hardly how you guys are portraying it.

Thank you for saving me the time Lucky.

The majority of players the Irish go after are 4 and 5 star players (educated guess without looking it up). They are going to strike out the majority of the time on those players, ALL programs do. The fact that recruits want to be tied to Notre Dame during the process for exposure and to look like they are a better student / person than they in fact are makes it that much more frustrating for Irish fans.

If the Irish were to win 12 games a year for the next 3 years with an NC thrown in, I'll bet they still never have a #1 recruiting class. Too many obstacles including academics, exceptions & location to overcome. But if Kelly & Co. keep to their current recruiting model, win 11ish games a year and are able to get a couple of top 20 players each year and a Jaylon Smith / Rashan Gary level player every year or two... They will be on everyone's short list when it comes to identifying who has a shot at the NC on a yearly basis.

That's all I'd ever ask for.

 

[ACamp1900]

Can I admit something, maybe I'm not the only one,... when I open a recruiting thread and it's a defender and the stars are all fours and fives, I tend to immediately think, "I want him"

haha, this too... and don't twist it guys, I'm not saying ND never gets talent on D, just that my first thought tends to be that, 'no shot' reaction.

 

[drake29]

If this Caleb wasn't from the capital of Western Oklahoma (Fresno) I'd love ND's chances. He's a solid young man, a Notre Dame level young man.

It'd be a shame for him to follow the others from Fresno to Norman. If the NFL doesn't set him up for life, that degree most likely is not going to get him far unless he has a great career and stays in Oklahoma. No thanks..

This is what I like to call sour grapes. We, as fans of Notre Dame, should be way above this. ND isn't for everyone. If he likes OU then he can go there, play high level college football, and still earn a meaningful degree.

 

[Domina Nostra]

This is what I like to call sour grapes. We, as fans of Notre Dame, should be way above this. ND isn't for everyone. If he likes OU then he can go there, play high level college football, and still earn a meaningful degree.

Right, and Alabama or Ohio State isn't for every football player; you can still get "meaningful" coaching at Toledo. But that doesn't mean that Toledo is comparable to either of those schools in football.

Education aside, some degrees are simply more valuable than others.

 

[BobbyMac]

This is what I like to call sour grapes. We, as fans of Notre Dame, should be way above this. ND isn't for everyone. If he likes OU then he can go there, play high level college football, and still earn a meaningful degree.

I was simply talking about what is best for the Caleb. Going to OU is NOT. It's the worst school on his list in every aspect besides football. I'd rather see him at SC or Michigan... for his sake.

How many ND fans can say that?

 

[ThePiombino]

2015 class
Shaun Crawford
Josh Barajas
Jerry Tillery
Asmar Bilal
Elijah Taylor
Mykelti Williams was upgraded late based on good senior film by only rivals

2014
Nyles Morgan
Andrew Trumbetti
Nick Watkins
Jay Hayes
Grant Blankenship

2013
Jaylon Smith
Max Redfield
Isaac Rochell
Cole Luke
Doug Randolph

Thats a total of 15 or an average of 5 (4 star or better players) over the last 3 years on D. Hardly how you guys are portraying it.

And how many of those guys were consensus 4*+ players out of HS? That was what the post I replied to said. Not an individual service. Not composite. Consensus.

 

[koonja]

And how many of those guys were consensus 4*+ players out of HS? That was what the post I replied to said. Not an individual service. Not composite. Consensus.

Off of the top of my head:

2015:
Tillery, Barajas, Crawford, Bilal.

2014: Morgan, Trumbetti, Watkins, Hayes

2013: Smith, Redfield, Rochelle, Luke, Randolph.

 

[Luckylucci]

And how many of those guys were consensus 4*+ players out of HS? That was what the post I replied to said. Not an individual service. Not composite. Consensus.

What, so now it's only good enough if they are consensus and the composite doesn't count? Even Acamp chose to elaborate his post instead of go further down this rabbit hole. You win we'll never get a good defensive recruit again.

 

[koonja]

What, so now it's only good enough if they are consensus and the composite doesn't count? Even Acamp chose to elaborate his post instead of go further down this rabbit hole. You win we'll never get a good defensive recruit again.

I'm not saying good/bad, but there's a difference when one of the 4 services has a player as a 4-star, and the other 3, a 3, and we call him a 4-star, and the player who's an across-the-board 4 star.

 

[Big23Head]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fresno (Calif.) Clovis West LB Caleb Kelly recaps Oregon visit, talks official visit plans <a href="http://t.co/fvcsiqiM6W">http://t.co/fvcsiqiM6W</a> <a href="http://t.co/q8IflFI19j">pic.twitter.com/q8IflFI19j</a></p>— Brandon Huffman (@BrandonHuffman) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonHuffman/status/654032721157615616">October 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Fresno (Calif.) Clovis West five-star outside linebacker Caleb Kelly talked about his official visit to Oregon and upcoming trip plans...

Fresno (Calif.) Clovis West five-star linebacker Caleb Kelly took his second official visit this past weekend, taking a trip to Oregon.

"It was fun," said Kelly. "I liked going up there and I liked it up there. I didn't know too much about Oregon before I went but I went up with an open mind and I enjoyed it."

Kelly was hosted by Gary Baker on the visit and also hung out with the other official visitors.

"I hung out with Lamar (Winston) and Dillon Mitchell and we hung out a lot with the Poly guys there," said Kelly. "All the players and coaches really care for each other there."

Kelly got to talk with defensive coordinator Don Pellum and outside linebackers coach Erik Chinander as well as head coach Mark Helfrich.

"I talked to Coach Pellum and Coach Chinander a lot and I talked to Coach Helfrich a little bit," said Kelly. "They showed me both inside and outside but they said they want me as an outside guy. They said they need impact linebackers, that they've always had at least one and how I could come in and play early."

Like most visitors to Oregon, Kelly was impressed by the Ducks' facilities.

"The facilities, of course, they're the best I've seen and top of the line," said Kelly. "Everything is brand new and they're building new stuff. I knew going in it would be like that but then seeing it was really coo. They're building a new equipment room and a new sports science place."

Kelly has two more official visits set, to Oklahoma on November 21st when the Sooners host TCU and to Notre Dame on December 11th.

He had planned to visit Texas in early November, but that visit appears very unlikely.

In its place will likely be a trip to Alabama on November 7th when the Tide hosts LSU.

"It doesn't look like I'll visit Texas and I think I'm going to try and visit Alabama the 7th of November for LSU. It's not officially set yet, but if I do visit that weekend, it will be an official visit. We just have to line it up with Coach Tosh (Lupoi)," said Kelly.

Oklahoma has been all over Kelly for some time- they were his first offer, and he's eager to visit Norman.

"I'm hearing from all the coaches there, Coach (Bob) Stoops, Coach (Tim) Kish, Coach (Mike) Stoops, Courtney Viney," said Kelly. "And then Michiah Quick and Hatari Byrd are all over me. They're definitely recruiting me the hardest."

Notre Dame will get what's expected to be Kelly's last visit in mid-December.

"Coach (Mike) Denbrock is recruiting me and while they don't have a game when I go out, it will still be a fun visit," said Kelly.

But Michigan is also making a big push for Kelly and he still raves about his official visit there.

"Oregon was a different kind of visit than Michigan," said Kelly. The fans were crazy and they have a lot of tradition there. When I was at Michigan, they all knew who I was and everywhere I went, they were like "Go to MIchigan, Go to Michigan".

Kelly scored two touchdowns at tight end in Clovis West's last game and he wouldn't be opposed to some offense in college, even though he rarely brings it up.

"But my mom does," said Kelly. "She loves seeing me score touchdowns. When we were on our visits, she told the coaches about my touchdowns. I would never turn down the opportunity, but I'm not pushing for it. Offense is more for fun, but defense is where my passion is."

Kelly has been selected to play in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl, and though all of his official visits will be done by the Army Bowl, a decision is unlikely until Signing Day.

"I think I'm going to wait until Signing Day and announce then and then use January for in-home visits," said Kelly.

 

[irishff1014]

I think this ship is getting ready to set sail...

 

[PANDFAN]

ND assistant will out there to see Kelly

 

[CanadalovesND]

Per Loy, will OV for the banquet.

 

[OCIrish]

Huh, I didn't even realize he was still interested in rhe Irish

 

[PANDFAN]

Huh, I didn't even realize he was still interested in rhe Irish

he is good friend w/ Jordan Fuller...ND looking to make a huge move w/ both...Fuller is still open while Kelly is a def okl heavy lean

 

[zelezo vlk]

I'd love to see Jordan fuller join the class.

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[IrishFanJMercy]

We can pitch to both that they can play together at Notre Dame and probally get playing time right away. Fuller could start at Safety next year, Kelly could easily be a guy who makes an impact.

 

[Cackalacky]

We can pitch to both that they can play together at Notre Dame and probally get playing time right away. Fuller could start at Safety next year, Kelly could easily be a guy who makes an impact.

I seriously doubt Fuller would start at safety. Upperclassmen will always get the nod over underclassmen if they are available. Its BK's MO.

He could pitch possible playing time but considering the other young guns we have at FS and SS, Fuller would have to pick up BVGs scheme and beat out upperclassman who have already grasped it.

We will have Sebastian and Redfield available as true starter potential, probably Drue (hopefully) taking Farley's position, Ashton White and Williams could all see time at Safety.

 

[dublinirish]

I seriously doubt Fuller would start at safety. Upperclassmen will always get the nod over underclassmen if they are available. Its BK's MO.

He could pitch possible playing time but considering the other young guns we have at FS and SS, Fuller would have to pick up BVGs scheme and beat out upperclassman who have already grasped it.

We will have Sebastian and Redfield available as true starter potential, probably Drue (hopefully) taking Farley's position, Ashton White and Williams could all see time at Safety.

aint seen many of those on the 2016 roster

 

[ColinKSU]

I seriously doubt Fuller would start at safety. Upperclassmen will always get the nod over underclassmen if they are available. Its BK's MO.

He could pitch possible playing time but considering the other young guns we have at FS and SS, Fuller would have to pick up BVGs scheme and beat out upperclassman who have already grasped it.

We will have Sebastian and Redfield available as true starter potential, probably Drue (hopefully) taking Farley's position, Ashton White and Williams could all see time at Safety.

 

[Rizzophil]

Very difficult for a true starter at mlb or safety. Takes time to learn angles/keys

 

[dublinirish]

Very difficult for a true starter at mlb or safety. Takes time to learn angles/keys

except at places like OSU, Bama etc. Places like ND? No Chance

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I seriously doubt Fuller would start at safety. Upperclassmen will always get the nod over underclassmen if they are available. Its BK's MO.

He could pitch possible playing time but considering the other young guns we have at FS and SS, Fuller would have to pick up BVGs scheme and beat out upperclassman who have already grasped it.

We will have Sebastian and Redfield available as true starter potential, probably Drue (hopefully) taking Farley's position, Ashton White and Williams could all see time at Safety.

By that logic, that would imply that a frosh would never start, assuming there was someone else at that position. Which, is simply not true.

 

[GoIrish41]

I seriously doubt Fuller would start at safety. Upperclassmen will always get the nod over underclassmen if they are available. Its BK's MO.

He could pitch possible playing time but considering the other young guns we have at FS and SS, Fuller would have to pick up BVGs scheme and beat out upperclassman who have already grasped it.

We will have Sebastian and Redfield available as true starter potential, probably Drue (hopefully) taking Farley's position, Ashton White and Williams could all see time at Safety.

Do we have any of these?