'15 NV TE Aliz'e Mack (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[calvegas04]

Poor guy is a Gay Bay fan.

what?

 

[Huntr]

Poor guy is a Gay Bay fan.

The G on the helmet is for his high school, Bishop Gorman.

 

[wizards8507]

Poor guy is a Gay Bay fan.

It's that autocorrect, or are you a 7th grader who thinks "Gay Bay" is clever?

 

[johnnycando]

The G on the helmet is for his high school, Bishop Gorman.

Hahaha.

Does no one see the Greenbay resemblance?

It's even mustard baby chit yellow.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Lol...

He's a Packers fan so they threw a G on his helmet for a recruiting poster... wuuut

 

[johnnycando]

It's that autocorrect, or are you a 7th grader who thinks "Gay Bay" is clever?

Send it to ESPN.

It's a novel idea.

 

[Huntr]

Hahaha.

Does no one see the Greenbay resemblance other than the G is on the wrong side of the helmet?

It's even mustard baby chit yellow.

lol, It's because it's turning gold dude. It's a riff on this theme:

 

[johnnycando]

lol, It's because it's turning gold dude. It's a riff on this theme:

That G is not gold. Lol. Sorry.

 

[Huntr]

That G is not gold. Lol. Sorry.

TURNING gold.

 

[johnnycando]

TURNING gold.

So, gold transitions from blue, to baby chit yellow?

Got it.

Thanks.

Somehow I missed that in 6th grade art class.

 

[Huntr]

So, gold transitions from blue, to baby chit yellow?

Got it.

Thanks.

Somehow I missed that in 6th grade art class.

Well, maybe pay attention on your next swing thru.

 

[johnnycando]

Well, maybe pay attention on your next swing thru.

 

[Huntr]

I can't breathe.

 

[irish1958]

Huge piece to this class, we have solid TEs now but this kids a difference maker. Was I the only one that missed the seam pass to the TE this year? He will bring it back

You may never see it again. If Kelly insists that the 5'9 or 10" Golsen pass from the pocket, the 6'8 or 10" linemen will have have a field day with tips and interceptions. The Arizona State defense will be the standard defense against us and he won't be able to utilize the tight end or the slant.

 

[mtnd15]

You may never see it again. If Kelly insists that the 5'9 or 10" Golsen pass from the pocket, the 6'8 or 10" linemen will have have a field day with tips and interceptions. The Arizona State defense will be the standard defense against us and he won't be able to utilize the tight end or the slant.

This post is ridiculous

Everett is about 6 foot, no linemen are 6'10. I understand wanting Kelly to move Golson around, but you are overstating this. It is not Golson's fault if the offensive tackles don't get the defensive end's hands down. The Golson hate has gone too far. Period. Also, every defensive lineman in history has been told to raise the hands if they cannot get the sack. Against Arizona State poor execution by the O-line and horrendous luck killed us. However, this was not some new blueprint that exposed Everett so that he will never be effective again.

 

[NDinL.A.]

You may never see it again. If Kelly insists that the 5'9 or 10" Golsen pass from the pocket, the 6'8 or 10" linemen will have have a field day with tips and interceptions. The Arizona State defense will be the standard defense against us and he won't be able to utilize the tight end or the slant.

After a horrific start (and re-watch the tape and you'll see that several turnovers weren't on Golson), Golson and the ND offense absolutely torched the ASU defense. If that's the blueprint, I'll take it all day long.

 

[ThePiombino]

After a horrific start (and re-watch the tape and you'll see that several turnovers weren't on Golson), Golson and the ND offense absolutely torched the ASU defense. If that's the blueprint, I'll take it all day long.

Agreed. I find the Golson fumbles to be way more troubling than the majority of the INTs. That ASU game was a lot closer than the final score suggested.

 

[GoldenDomer]

L O L

 

[Crazy Balki]

This post is ridiculous

Everett is about 6 foot, no linemen are 6'10. I understand wanting Kelly to move Golson around, but you are overstating this. It is not Golson's fault if the offensive tackles don't get the defensive end's hands down. The Golson hate has gone too far. Period. Also, every defensive lineman in history has been told to raise the hands if they cannot get the sack. Against Arizona State poor execution by the O-line and horrendous luck killed us. However, this was not some new blueprint that exposed Everett so that he will never be effective again.

Golson is nowhere near 6'0. He's 5'10 and that's being generous.

 

[Luckylucci]

You may never see it again. If Kelly insists that the 5'9 or 10" Golsen pass from the pocket, the 6'8 or 10" linemen will have have a field day with tips and interceptions. The Arizona State defense will be the standard defense against us and he won't be able to utilize the tight end or the slant.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I posted stats in this thread earlier and Eifert as an example had marginal better stats with Rees vs. Golson. Koyack just isn't those guys so he wasn't gettig targeted. Sorry to be rude but I really hate when people make outlandish statements without actually having any information. Read first, post second.

 

[KPENN]

Golson is nowhere near 6'0. He's 5'10 and that's being generous.

 

[pkt77242]

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I posted stats in this thread earlier and Eifert as an example had marginal better stats with Rees vs. Golson. Koyack just isn't those guys so he wasn't gettig targeted. Sorry to be rude but I really hate when people make outlandish statements without actually having any information. Read first, post second.

I think that you are overreacting. I watched all of the games (and one in person) and Koyak was open frequently over the middle and the ball wasn't thrown to him. To argue otherwise is crazy. Now it might have been Golson's height or it might have been that Kelly put an emphasis on throwing the WRs this year but to pretend that Koyak wasn't open and to attack the poster like that and claim that he doesn't know what he is talking about is uncool. Sorry, that is bad form on your part.

Edit: You can attack his point without saying he doesn't have a clue and that he should read first and post second.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think that you are overreacting. I watched all of the games (and one in person) and Koyak was open frequently over the middle and the ball wasn't thrown to him. To argue otherwise is crazy. Now it might have been Golson's height or it might have been that Kelly put an emphasis on throwing the WRs this year but to pretend that Koyak wasn't open and to attack the poster like that and claim that he doesn't know what he is talking about is uncool. Sorry, that is bad form on your part.

Edit: You can attack his point without saying he doesn't have a clue and that he should read first and post second.

I'm not sure I can really overreact in this scenario. Obviously on a lot of plays, amatuer QB's will miss open WR's/TE's. If you objectively look at the information it's pretty clear that when he has a talented TE, he gets him the ball at the same rate as any other QB. I don't want to sound rude but its 100% obvious, it's numbers not your opinion.

 

[pkt77242]

I'm not sure I can really overreact in this scenario. Obviously on a lot of plays, amatuer QB's will miss open WR's/TE's. If you objectively look at the information it's pretty clear that when he has a talented TE, he gets him the ball at the same rate as any other QB. I don't want to sound rude but its 100% obvious, it's numbers not your opinion.

Forget numbers. He was open and not getting the ball. The reason is either A. Golson didn't throw him the ball for some reason (height being the most likely, but there are other reasons), or B. Kelly put the emphasis somewhere else. It isn't just missing an open player occasionally. Against ASU (I was there) Koyak was frequently open in the middle of the field and wasn't thrown too. Enough so that the ASU fans around me were laughing about it and making jokes about it. Numbers only tell part of the story, to pretend that they tell the whole story is a mistake. That is your problem.

Edit: I am not just blaming Golson, just that Koyak wasn't given the ball enough when he was frequently open. As I pointed out it might have been a Kelly "emphasis" to get the ball to WRs.

 

[Luckylucci]

Forget numbers. He was open and not getting the ball. The reason is either A. Golson didn't throw him the ball for some reason (height being the most likely, but there are other reasons), or B. Kelly put the emphasis somewhere else. It isn't just missing an open player occasionally. Against ASU (I was there) Koyak was frequently open in the middle of the field and wasn't thrown too. Enough so that the ASU fans around me were laughing about it and making jokes about it. Numbers only tell part of the story, to pretend that they tell the whole story is a mistake. That is your problem.

Edit: I am not just blaming Golson, just that Koyak wasn't given the ball enough when he was frequently open. As I pointed out it might have been a Kelly "emphasis" to get the ball to WRs.

Sorry you lost me at forget numbers and I won't read the rest of it. That is literally the worst thing any coach or player would ever say. Number are facts, your eye sight is subjective.

 

[pkt77242]

Sorry you lost me at forget numbers and I won't read the rest of it. That is literally the worst thing any coach or player would ever say. Number are facts, your eye sight is subjective.

I did say that but you should read the rest as I add that you can't only use the numbers. Seriously. Koyak was mostly used in-line this year. Eiffert was frequently split out wide and was the focus of our passing game. To compare them numbers wise is crazy. I stated that numbers do not tell the whole story and if you can't understand that, then you have the problem not me. Numbers tell part of the story not the whole story. It is like saying that the QB with the most yards is the best QB, yes the numbers say that but it doesn't make it true. Numbers are part of the story not the whole story.

 

[pkt77242]

To say it more eloquently, I think that Eifert was the focus of our offense in 2012 so he got a lot of balls thrown his way because that is all we had. In 2014 we had Fuller so Golson threw the ball there but when he had to go through his progressions he didn't see Koyak who was frequently open over the middle. Golson's height was probably a factor in that. Koyak was never going to be the weapon that Eifer was but he was open much more frequently then how often Golson threw the ball to him.

You are comparing two different offenses that were run very differently and saying that if you don't agree with the numbers too bad. Not so much that I disagree with the numbers just that you are comparing Apples and Oranges (How we used Eifert in 2012 vs how we used Koyak in 2014).

 

[Luckylucci]

OT, so last post I make. Your second sentence proves my OP and that is Koyack was in-line because he didn't have the athleticism to be split out wide and create mismatches down the seam. He's not the TE that Eifert or even Niklas was so that's why the production dropped not because of Golson. Very simply Niklas averaged 5 yards more per catch than Koyack, that wasn't because of Rees's ability to throw down field.

 

[pkt77242]

OT, so last post I make. Your second sentence proves my OP and that is Koyack was in-line because he didn't have the athleticism to be split out wide and create mismatches down the seam. He's not the TE that Eifert or even Niklas was so that's why the production dropped not because of Golson. Very simply Niklas averaged 5 yards more per catch than Koyack, that wasn't because of Rees's ability to throw down field.

No one is arguing that Koyak is the athlete that Niklas or Eifert was, that doesn't change the fact that Koyak was open over the middle. Again, I am not arguing that Golson can't throw to TEs just that he can't throw over the middle. Two very different things. A TE playing like a WR (like we used Eiffert) is going to get targeted by Golson a lot. Golson struggles to see the middle of the field and that is the truth. Again, no one has argued that Koyak is the athlete of the other two and the fact that you think that proves your point is laughable. Golson can't see the middle of the field and rarely if ever threw the ball there. That is the truth. Numbers don't lie but they sure as Hell can mislead.

I will repeat. No one is fucking arguing about athleticism of Koyak vs Eifert/Niklas. It doesn't change the fact that Koyak was open on short passes (15 yards and less) over the middle and Golson didn't throw it to him.

To finish. Golson can throw fine to TEs lined up like WRs but struggles to throw it over the middle to in-line TEs. Again. Golson, can't see the middle of the field (probably due to height but there could be other reasons). You have yet to show any data that disproves it. You only show that Golson can throw to TEs split wide.

 

[dad4aa]

So, about that Alize guy...should be a hell of a TE.