'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[Irish Insanity]

This. I am still keeping my hopes alive that we can beat MSU and Stanford at home (though not sure defense can cover McCaffery). If the young defensive guys can catch on quickly, with DK being able to put up points, there is a slim chance we can make it to USC 10-1. We will need the luck of 2012 for this to happen.

I posted prior that McCaffery would have less than 250 all purpose yards (I think that was the number). I'd like to flip on that now. I'd be he has more APY than we have yards on offense.

Zaire is still the better runner. The problem is Kizer runs very well too.

I agree that the plays Zaire got were crap. There were a lot of handoffs and options, and Texas was gobbling them up last night unfortunately. Our running game needs to improve greatly, because outside of Folston's big run and Kizer's designed keepers, we weren't picking up many yards.

The problem now is, since we've already lost a game, we don't have the luxury of seeing what Zaire has for us.

 

[EuropeanDomer22]

I did not realized of this yesterday, but what a terrible mistake he made throwing the ball to Hunter (who sustained a concussion) instead of throwing the ball to ESB who was all ALONE since the release of his route, it would have been his third TD.

Mike McGlinchey vs Texas (2016) | Draft Breakdown (mark 11:45)

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I did not realized of this yesterday, but what a terrible mistake he made throwing the ball to Hunter (who sustained a concussion) instead of throwing the ball to ESB who was all ALONE since the release of his route, it would have been his third TD.

Mike McGlinchey vs Texas (2016) | Draft Breakdown (mark 11:45)

Two things here that you are not accounting for:

1. The safety who leveled Tori Hunter I'm sure was playing over the top of ESB also. So once the ball was released he sprinted to break up the pass to Hunter. If Kizer went to ESB there is a good chance the safety comes from over the top and picks the pass.

2. We don't know who Kizer's primary, secondary, etc reads were. It could be that ESB was his third of fourth read.


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[Sherm Sticky]

'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

Kelly couldn't have pulled Dayne Crist fast enough in the 2011 season opener.

Obviously I have no idea how each QB looks in practice and what happens behind closed doors.

But, why does Kelly rarely praise Kizer compared to other players on the team?

And I know Kelly recruited Zaire, is close to the Zaire family and feels bad that Zaire is going to lose starting job originally because of an injury. But, why does he do everything in his power to give Zaire the starting job? When Dayne Crist got quickest hook ever.

Note: Clearly Zaire is going to lose the starting job now due to play.


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[Irish Insanity]

But, why does Kelly rarely praise Kizer compared to other players on the team?

Yet he had no issue stating BVG is a great coach today.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Yet he had no issue stating BVG is a great coach today.

And last night during the press conference made a statement something like: Kizer made mistakes and would like to have a few plays back. He would tell you that also.

Never one thing that Kizer played well. Or Zaire didn't play to good, but maybe was due to rust.

I don't get it.


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[NorthDakota]

And last night during the press conference made a statement something like: Kizer made mistakes and would like to have a few plays back. He would tell you that also.

Never one thing that Kizer played well. Or Zaire didn't play to good, but maybe was due to rust.

I don't get it.


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I think you are reading into it too much

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I did not realized of this yesterday, but what a terrible mistake he made throwing the ball to Hunter (who sustained a concussion) instead of throwing the ball to ESB who was all ALONE since the release of his route, it would have been his third TD.

Mike McGlinchey vs Texas (2016) | Draft Breakdown (mark 11:45)

Look at the 11:56 mark. They show Kizer's view. THe saftey was splitting and converged on Torii after the ball was thrown. It would have been a tough out to ESB. Could still have been a TD, but it was not as clear as your still shot indicates.

ETA: Better yet, look at 11:55. That's when Kizer made the decision. He knew Torii was about to cut and it was a wide open space.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Kizer is a stud. He is also extremely intelligent and personally very friendly to other students- a true gentleman.

Shame on us for not giving him a decent defense to back him up, and instead whining about how he was not perfect. He has to bring the whole wretched team back from the brink of death again and again and again because our defense is such a disaster.

 

[NDinBoston]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DeShone Kizer showed us why he should be the starting QB at Notre Dame: <a href="https://t.co/np5p0kTpgh">https://t.co/np5p0kTpgh</a> <a href="https://t.co/Zib8Ac3lc9">pic.twitter.com/Zib8Ac3lc9</a></p>— PFF College Football (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/772982154611527682">September 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[NDVirginia19]

Yet he had no issue stating BVG is a great coach today.

What do you want him to do? He was asked a pointed question about BVG. If it's not in the cards for him get booted at the start of the season, why would you tear him apart? The only thing worse than a BVG defense is a BVG defense where the head coach puts doubts about the D coordinator into the heads of the players. You gotta have the guys buy in if you want any sort of production out of them, even if it's in a shitty system

 

[Shamrock Theories]

What do you want him to do? He was asked a pointed question about BVG. If it's not in the cards for him get booted at the start of the season, why would you tear him apart? The only thing worse than a BVG defense is a BVG defense where the head coach puts doubts about the D coordinator into the heads of the players. You gotta have the guys buy in if you want any sort of production out of them, even if it's in a shitty system

Yup

As for the faint-Kizer praise, it's just Kelly's style. He knows as well as we do that DK is the guy

But no sense in anointing him. Keep him focused on improving.

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

Look at the 11:56 mark. They show Kizer's view. THe saftey was splitting and converged on Torii after the ball was thrown. It would have been a tough out to ESB. Could still have been a TD, but it was not as clear as your still shot indicates.

ETA: Better yet, look at 11:55. That's when Kizer made the decision. He knew Torii was about to cut and it was a wide open space.

Yep thats a much harder throw to ESB risking the safety jumping in front of that. Watching that play agains blows my mind how that safety didn't get a targeting penalty. No play on the ball at all just put his shoulder down early and got ready to kill Torii.

 

[STLDomer]

No video evidence but pretty safe to assume that safety was over the top of ESB.

 

[NDohio]

Look at the 11:56 mark. They show Kizer's view. THe saftey was splitting and converged on Torii after the ball was thrown. It would have been a tough out to ESB. Could still have been a TD, but it was not as clear as your still shot indicates.

ETA: Better yet, look at 11:55. That's when Kizer made the decision. He knew Torii was about to cut and it was a wide open space.

That throw to THJ though - wow. That was a tiny window to fit it into and it was right on the money.

What do you want him to do? He was asked a pointed question about BVG. If it's not in the cards for him get booted at the start of the season, why would you tear him apart? The only thing worse than a BVG defense is a BVG defense where the head coach puts doubts about the D coordinator into the heads of the players. You gotta have the guys buy in if you want any sort of production out of them, even if it's in a shitty system

I agree with this completely. However, I think the comparison is valid. BK does need to be positive publicly with BVG but I hope he is having some very stern conversation privately. But the point still stands, why doesn't BK give any love - even just a little bit - to Kizer. He always seems to point out his faults and doesn't talk about how well he played. That was an amazing night for Kizer and I know BK was upset about the loss, but he didn't say anything positive about the way DK played.

I think back to the loss we had at Florida State and BK mentioned that EG was the best player on the field that night and we had the better QB in that game. He can praise EG after a gut wrenching loss but not Kizer? I don't get it either.

 

[arrowryan]

He was by far our biggest positive on Sunday. If he keeps playing like this (I think he will), then Wimbush will be starting in 2017. He obviously won't get as many starts as Quinn and Clausen did in their careers, but I think he is better than both of them. I would loooooove if Pittsburgh could get him in the first and be Ben's replacement.

Stock Report: DeShone Kizer, Nick Chubb on the rise - NFL.com

 

[military_irish]

He'll be the best NFL QB from Notre Dame since Steve Beuerlein.

 

[IrishBroker]

No reason to play Zaire anymore, barring injury. Kizer can throw better and is just as effective as a runner.

Kizer is a stud.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Look at the 11:56 mark. They show Kizer's view. THe saftey was splitting and converged on Torii after the ball was thrown. It would have been a tough out to ESB. Could still have been a TD, but it was not as clear as your still shot indicates.

ETA: Better yet, look at 11:55. That's when Kizer made the decision. He knew Torii was about to cut and it was a wide open space.

Exactly the point i was making. The safety most likely playing over the top of ESB. When the ball was released he sprinted to Hunter. If Kizer throws to ESB that could have turned into a pick 6.

 

[NorthDakota]

He was by far our biggest positive on Sunday. If he keeps playing like this (I think he will), then Wimbush will be starting in 2017. He obviously won't get as many starts as Quinn and Clausen did in their careers, but I think he is better than both of them. I would loooooove if Pittsburgh could get him in the first and be Ben's replacement.

Stock Report: DeShone Kizer, Nick Chubb on the rise - NFL.com

No! Ben still has a few years.

 

[Kingbish01]

Kelly just said in his presser that they still have 2 QB's. Kizer should walk in the room right now and throw his helmet at him..lol

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Not surprised.

Maybe not starting Kizer and allowing BVG to continue to coach will get Kelly fired.

 

[IrishBroker]

Kelly just said in his presser that they still have 2 QB's. Kizer should walk in the room right now and throw his helmet at him..lol

Absurd

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Kelly loves him some Malik Zaire.

 

[FearTheBeard]

No decision on qb yet...what?? Kizer is one of the best qb's in the country. No problem with Malik, but Kizer is lighting it up im not sure if id take anyone over him right now. Who is better, maybe Watson from Clemson?

 

[IrishLion]

Absurd

He ALSO had a strong take on what he expects of the no.2 QB... basically, buy-in or get out of the way.

It sounds to me like he's preparing to talk to the QB's, and sending some general messages out into the world to make sure Malik takes it well.

 

[IrishBroker]

Kelly loves him some Malik Zaire.

To be honest, I don't think MZ is all that great.

I like the guy, great leader, but other than the LSU game (and was good against a terrible TX team that year)...what has he done that's led people on here to believe that he's some fantastic, can't miss, QB that should be competing with Kizer?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Kelly just said in his presser that they still have 2 QB's. Kizer should walk in the room right now and throw his helmet at him..lol

I sure hope he's just blowing his usual smoke....

 

[Luckylucci]

No decision on qb yet...what?? Kizer is one of the best qb's in the country. No problem with Malik, but Kizer is lighting it up im not sure if id take anyone over him right now. Who is better, maybe Watson from Clemson?

Yea, at this point, its no longer a question of if he's the best QB on the team. Its how good can he be? We need to go all in on Kizer starting today and try to max out his potential.

 

[NorthDakota]

To be honest, I don't think MZ is all that great.

I like the guy, great leader, but other than the LSU game (and was good against a terrible TX team that year)...what has he done that's led people on here to believe that he's some fantastic, can't miss, QB that should be competing with Kizer?

I think saying we have 2 very good QBs and also bringing up the number 2 qb role tells us Kizer is set.