'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[T Town Tommy]

Kizer is carrying the weight of the university.

I think Kelly is losing the fan base with these statements as he already has lost the team.


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In one week, BK has went from "we gotta coach these kids up, we recruited them and we just aren't doing a good job of that right now" to blaming the players for the outcome of today's game. That's not the way to get players to play more loose and free. Nor is it a way to get them to want to play harder for you as a coach. I still think BK is the right coach for ND, but he has to make some hard decisions on his coaching staff and quit blaming his players for losses. If he doesn't, he runs the risk of not only losing the team but ultimately losing his own job.

 

[GATTACA!]

Again, Zaire played well in camp and destroyed that Texas game last year. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but it's not Zaire's fault our running game blows this year. Our offensive play calling was pretty lame when Zaire was in for those 3 series, regardless if Zaire should/could have checked out of the plays. We knew Texas was lining up to stop the run when he was in, and we continued to call plays that ran into the teeth of that defense. That's on the OC as much as it is Zaire for not calling an audible.

Zaire was fine in camp but make no mistake Kizer looked better by all accounts. MZ getting split reps against Texas was more on Kelly's dumb knee jerk reaction after his injury last season telling him it was his team in front of HBO cameras.

Yes he played well against Texas last year, that was a shitty team and that's literally the only game he's looked that good. He did not look good this year against Texas. While I agree with you that the amount of points Kizer scored should have been enough, the possessions lost to trying to force MZ out when he clearly was accomplishing nothing probably cost us that game.

 

[irishff1014]

In one week, BK has went from "we gotta coach these kids up, we recruited them and we just aren't doing a good job of that right now" to blaming the players for the outcome of today's game. That's not the way to get players to play more loose and free. Nor is it a way to get them to want to play harder for you as a coach. I still think BK is the right coach for ND, but he has to make some hard decisions on his coaching staff and quit blaming his players for losses. If he doesn't, he runs the risk of not only losing the team but ultimately losing his own job.

I wanted him gone before this but now that he has throw players under the bus but still won't do that to his buddy that's a terrible football coach is a very bad look. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if he left tonight. He lied to the Cincy players and left them hanging now he is heading that direction again. Please have him leave.

 

[ubet49]

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In one week, BK has went from "we gotta coach these kids up, we recruited them and we just aren't doing a good job of that right now" to blaming the players for the outcome of today's game. That's not the way to get players to play more loose and free. Nor is it a way to get them to want to play harder for you as a coach. I still think BK is the right coach for ND, but he has to make some hard decisions on his coaching staff and quit blaming his players for losses. If he doesn't, he runs the risk of not only losing the team but ultimately losing his own job.

Kelly could not coach himself out of a wet paper bag. Always plays to the level of any team they face.

 

[ulukinatme]

Zaire was fine in camp but make no mistake Kizer looked better by all accounts. MZ getting split reps against Texas was more on Kelly's dumb knee jerk reaction after his injury last season telling him it was his team in front of HBO cameras.

Yes he played well against Texas last year, that was a shitty team and that's literally the only game he's looked that good. He did not look good this year against Texas. While I agree with you that the amount of points Kizer scored should have been enough, the possessions lost to trying to force MZ out when he clearly was accomplishing nothing probably cost us that game.

There's no guarantee giving those possessions to Kizer would result in points. I mean, on one of those 3 Zaire drives, the one that actually got down the field, we killed the drive on an OL penalty. That's not on Zaire. Kizer was fairly up and down in that first half, there's certainly no guarantee we come away with points on those drives if he was the one in control. The defense lost us that game.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I wanted him gone before this but now that he has throw players under the bus but still won't do that to his buddy that's a terrible football coach is a very bad look. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if he left tonight. He lied to the Cincy players and left them hanging now he is heading that direction again. Please have him leave.

His presser after the game sure didn't help his cause any. Guess we will see just how good he really is moving forward this season. But this I know... if he doesn't get a resignation from BVG by Monday afternoon, I just can't see him digging out of this hole.

 

[GATTACA!]

There's no guarantee giving those possessions to Kizer would result in points. I mean, on one of those 3 Zaire drives, the one that actually got down the field, we killed the drive on an OL penalty. That's not on Zaire. Kizer was fairly up and down in that first half, there's certainly no guarantee we come away with points on those drives if he was the one in control. The defense lost us that game.

Yeah that's why I said probably.

Of course we can't know for sure but in a game when Kizer had 5 total TD's i'm inclined to believe that with 3 more possessions he would have come up with something.

 

[dad4aa]

Yeah that's why I said probably.

Of course we can't know for sure but in a game when Kizer had 5 total TD's i'm inclined to believe that with 3 more possessions he would have come up with something.

^ This

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah that's why I said probably.

Of course we can't know for sure but in a game when Kizer had 5 total TD's i'm inclined to believe that with 3 more possessions he would have come up with something.

Most of those TDs were streaky, coming at the end of the game though. They weren't coming when Zaire was still in the game.

 

[irisheyes]

Yeah that's why I said probably.

Of course we can't know for sure but in a game when Kizer had 5 total TD's i'm inclined to believe that with 3 more possessions he would have come up with something.

Obviously kizer is a great qb, but to say that if he started we would of probably won is ridiculous. There was heisman talk the following year after beating lsu and Zaire stomped texas. I still think if he goes somewhere he could be a heisman contender. Kelly limited him in the texas game. How do any of us know that Zaire isnt a better leader for the team? Kizer himself has said he didnt know if he wanted to play football. Now that we are 1-3 whats to say kizer hasnt backed off?

 

[Irish YJ]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish coach Brian Kelly promises to evaluate 'every position' after 1-3 start

 

[IrishLax]

What kind of idiot could watch the first four games of the season and come to the conclusion that the QB position is our problem? I feel like he must be trolling us.

He's certainly not the primary problem, but it's pretty clear to me now that he's not nearly the difference maker we thought he was.

Today he was erratic and missed tons of open receivers. He also has two turnovers. He didn't get it done on the last drive. And he checks out of sooooo many plays into stuff that Kelly clearly doesn't want him running.

I contrast how he looked today to how he looked in his last drive against Clemson and against Stanford and I just don't get it. Seems to have no emotion this year... almost like he begrudges the situation instead of relishing in it. I'd grade him out as a C- against a bad opponent and that might be generous.

 

[ulukinatme]

Obviously kizer is a great qb, but to say that if he started we would of probably won is ridiculous. There was heisman talk the following year after beating lsu and Zaire stomped texas. I still think if he goes somewhere he could be a heisman contender. Kelly limited him in the texas game. How do any of us know that Zaire isnt a better leader for the team? Kizer himself has said he didnt know if he wanted to play football. Now that we are 1-3 whats to say kizer hasnt backed off?

What if Kelly was telling the truth when he said last year that this was Zaire's team? What if this team-wide lack of heart is because Kizer kept the job?

 

[NDRock]

He's certainly not the primary problem, but it's pretty clear to me now that he's not nearly the difference maker we thought he was.

Today he was erratic and missed tons of open receivers. He also has two turnovers. He didn't get it done on the last drive. And he checks out of sooooo many plays into stuff that Kelly clearly doesn't want him running.

I contrast how he looked today to how he looked in his last drive against Clemson and against Stanford and I just don't get it. Seems to have no emotion this year... almost like he begrudges the situation instead of relishing in it. I'd grade him out as a C- against a bad opponent and that might be generous.

That's fine but if he's a C- the entire defense is an F. He's also breaking in a whole new receiving corp and our run game has been poor (he was our leading rusher today). I'm not giving him the Heisman but if we're starting a list on how to fix this team, Kizer is way down it for me.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

He's certainly not the primary problem, but it's pretty clear to me now that he's not nearly the difference maker we thought he was.



Today he was erratic and missed tons of open receivers. He also has two turnovers. He didn't get it done on the last drive. And he checks out of sooooo many plays into stuff that Kelly clearly doesn't want him running.



I contrast how he looked today to how he looked in his last drive against Clemson and against Stanford and I just don't get it. Seems to have no emotion this year... almost like he begrudges the situation instead of relishing in it. I'd grade him out as a C- against a bad opponent and that might be generous.

Lax you are smarter than this.

You expect Kizer to be a seasoned college polished QB. He is a redshirt sophomore who has started 13 games. He is a QB that has only started focusing on football for 3 years. He is a very good player, but he is not a Manning, he is not a finished product.

Anyone can clearly see that Kizer is pressing and playing tight. Look at the first drives and first quarters of games. He has been great. Then the defense stinks it up. And all the pressure falls on his shoulders to win the game for the team. The weight of the team and the university are in his shoulder because the defense is unable to stop anybody.

You are smarter than this post Lax. I'm very disappointed in you, I expect more from you as a mod and a graduate of Note Dame.


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[ulukinatme]

Some players peak earlier than others. People assume Kizer would continue to grow leaps and bounds with more experience. That doesn't always happen. He may have reached his ceiling already.

In any case, we can't keep putting the game on his arm and asking him to be perfect every week. We need a running game. Every QB we've done this too in the past has folded eventually, it's too much .

 

[IrishLax]

Lax you are smarter than this.

You expect Kizer to be a seasoned college polished QB. He is a redshirt sophomore who has started 13 games. He is a QB that has only started focusing on football for 3 years. He is a very good player, but he is not a Manning, he is not a finished product.

Anyone can clearly see that Kizer is pressing and playing tight. Look at the first drives and first quarters of games. He has been great. Then the defense stinks it up. And all the pressure falls on his shoulders to win the game for the team. The weight of the team and the university are in his shoulder because the defense is unable to stop anybody.

You are smarter than this post Lax. I'm very disappointed in you, I expect more from you as a mod and a graduate of Note Dame.


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I'm glad you think I'm smarter than accurately assessing QB play or something.

Point is after Texas and Nevada people accurately commended him on nearly flawless play. Against MSU, he was a mixed bag, but there were a lot of different ways to look at what went wrong. Today, he had a lot of collosal mistakes that were just as bad as the angle Studstill took or Nick Coleman's missed tackle. That fumble was inexcusable, on that interception he missed a wide open receiver and gave Duke a short field to get the game winner, and then he imploded on the final drive. It's clear he's regressing and it's a problem.

 

[kmoose]

Lax you are smarter than this.

You expect Kizer to be a seasoned college polished QB. He is a redshirt sophomore who has started 13 games. He is a QB that has only started focusing on football for 3 years. He is a very good player, but he is not a Manning, he is not a finished product.

I don't think he expects Kizer to be anything. He just rightly pointed out some ways that Kizer is not helping the team.

Anyone can clearly see that Kizer is pressing and playing tight. Look at the first drives and first quarters of games. He has been great. Then the defense stinks it up. And all the pressure falls on his shoulders to win the game for the team. The weight of the team and the university are in his shoulder because the defense is unable to stop anybody.

1. Just because he is pressing, that doesn't mean that he isn't making mistakes that are hurting the team.

2. Better QB play could certainly have won the game tonight. And maybe the Texas game as well. We have a backup QB who might be as good, or better than, Kiizer. It would be much easier to swap QBs than to try to swap out the entire defense? So if you are looking for ways to right the ship, THIS year, then a change at QB might make the most sense. That doesn't mean that the QB position is the most to blame. It just means that it is easiest to correct, or maybe "improve" is a better word for it.

 

[TP81989]

Lot of pressure on your QB when you have to put up 40+ just about every week and all of his mistakes are magnified because of it. Kizer was able to save Kelly from more embarrassing losses last year against Virginia and Temple, but he's come up short so far this season. A defense and better running game would help.

 

[Guest]

QB is not the issue, the defense is. What a stupid post.

 

[GATTACA!]

He still scored 35 points?? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Was he perfect? Absolutely not. Was he great? No. Did he play well enough for us to win that game? 1000% yes. Again you shouldn't have to put every single game on Kizers shoulders and expect him to come up with game winning drive after game winning drive. That pressure is insane and he's bound the falter at some point it's only natural.

If we're listing problems with this team there are several dozen that have been more glaring than Kizers play. If this defense is even halfway decent Kizer has played well enough to easily be 4-0.

Kizer isn't good enough to single handedly win you 12 games. Very few QBs ever are.

 

[TheChosen1]

Not reading any of the posts above but I'll say this about Kizer as I attended both games in the last two weeks. He made some really good throws but missed A LOT of open receivers. A lot. He locks in on one side of the field

 

[NDRock]

He still scored 35 points?? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Was he perfect? Absolutely not. Was he great? No. Did he play well enough for us to win that game? 1000% yes. Again you shouldn't have to put every single game on Kizers shoulders and expect him to come up with game winning drive after game winning drive. That pressure is insane and he's bound the falter at some point it's only natural.

If we're listing problems with this team there are several dozen that have been more glaring than Kizers play. If this defense is even halfway decent Kizer has played well enough to easily be 4-0.

Kizer isn't good enough to single handedly win you 12 games. Very few QBs ever are.

The guy threw for almost 400 yards and was the leading rusher. All this with a bunch of new WRs. For this point in his career, he's the best QB at ND in a long time. I have no idea what people are expecting. I love Malik but every time he's been int he game this year, he's done nothing. Only this staff would trot out Schmidt every game without giving Morgan any reps but would talk about benching Kizer, who is only a Sophomore.

 

[GATTACA!]

Not reading any of the posts above but I'll say this about Kizer as I attended both games in the last two weeks. He made some really good throws but missed A LOT of open receivers. A lot. He locks in on one side of the field

This is a function of having the game come to a point where your only option is passing the ball, our run game is pathetic. So the defense knows the pass is coming and are sitting on the routes. Lots of the incompletions today were simply due to good coverage, I know that's something we aren't accustomed to seeing with our shit defense. Secondly when you know you need to score 40+ to win the game you're going to play tight idc if it's Kizer MZ or Montana, that pressure will eventually get to you no matter what.

If you think MZ would hit more of those open receivers than Kizer idk what to tell you other then I strongly disagree.

 

[ulukinatme]

The guy threw for almost 400 yards and was the leading rusher. All this with a bunch of new WRs. For this point in his career, he's the best QB at ND in a long time. I have no idea what people are expecting. I love Malik but every time he's been int he game this year, he's done nothing. Only this staff would trot out Schmidt every game without giving Morgan any reps but would talk about benching Kizer, who is only a Sophomore.

Only from an eligibility standpoint. This is his 3rd year in the program, he's a Junior for all intents and purposes.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

I am so dang confused. Am I watching the same games as everyone else?? We can't run the ball. Sure that is kizers fault. We can't stop anybody on defense. Yep that is Kizers fault. Can't kick the ball. Again that is Kizers fault. Can't rush the passer, yep you got it Kizers fault. Give up epic amount of points to everybody, again Kizers fault.

Is Kizer perfect, no. Has he turned it over, yes. But, without him we have huge issues at QB. I don't trust Zaire, and we want Whimbush right now??

BK is pushing the blame to the wrong places.

We are an embarrassment. This is 100% on BK. He hired the wrong DC. He hired the special teams coach. He calls the offensive plays. He has recruited every player. He can't beat good teams. He just can't. Over the last 2 years he has proved that. Now we can't beat the tier 2 type teams.

But, good job BK let's place the blame on the wrong places.

 

[ulukinatme]

Well, Kelly said Wimbush is an option this year, and even Kizer's job is up for grabs this week, so there's no reason we can't have the discussion...

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

uluki, you are correct. Look at the last games he has played. Virginia before he got hurt he was super inconsistent, and the offense was dragging. And this year, looks lost.

Anybody wanting him over Kizer is crazy.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Our issue is or D his horrible. WE can't run the ball. And our special teams suck, including Yoon.

 

[GATTACA!]

uluki, you are correct. Look at the last games he has played. Virginia before he got hurt he was super inconsistent, and the offense was dragging. And this year, looks lost.

Anybody wanting him over Kizer is crazy.

Agreed

If we flipped Kizer and Ziare minutes in these first 4 games we would still be 1-3 except the losses would look much much worse.