'13 OH QB Malik Zaire (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[snoopdog]

Shocking!

Not

 

[IrishLion]

Should've gone to a MAC school... although the MAC schools where he'd get the best coaching and/or most exposure all have incumbent QBs that he probably wouldn't beat out.

REALLY should've gone to UC. Denbrock should've put in a call once Torrance Gibson bolted for the semester.

 

[NDRock]

Should've gone to a MAC school... although the MAC schools where he'd get the best coaching and/or most exposure all have incumbent QBs that he probably wouldn't beat out.

REALLY should've gone to UC. Denbrock should've put in a call once Torrance Gibson bolted for the semester.

Yep, said the same thing for months. Hope he pulls it off.

 

[phgreek]

Should've gone to a MAC school... although the MAC schools where he'd get the best coaching and/or most exposure all have incumbent QBs that he probably wouldn't beat out.

REALLY should've gone to UC. Denbrock should've put in a call once Torrance Gibson bolted for the semester.

I'm schocked IUP isn't on your list...because Max is goin to the show from there...it is the cradle of what might have been....

ok...too harsh for MZ...he deserves to have success...go Gators.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Hope he puts together a strong showing to end camp and take the position. I'm rooting for Malik, just wish they'd mold the offense around him.

 

[dublinirish]

he's never been a practice player. one fall camp just isn't enough of a window for him to impress. he needed a spring game somewhere to show what he can do

 

[ScooterIrish]

he's never been a practice player. one fall camp just isn't enough of a window for him to impress. he needed a spring game somewhere to show what he can do

Really, he just isn't a very good QB. I'm rooting for him and hope he does well but I just don't see it.

 

[Irish#1]

Now we know why he could never wrestle the job back away from Kizer. Hope he does well. He'll always be Irish.

 

[dublinirish]

Really, he just isn't a very good QB. I'm rooting for him and hope he does well but I just don't see it.

UF running a pro style offense is just such a bad fit for him also. he really was badly advised to go there.

 

[IrishLion]

Wasn't that kind of the MO the whole time he was here?

We knew he wasn't as mentally fragile as Golson, and we knew he could win football games, but he didn't get the chance to unseat Golson early enough in '14 because he just didn't look good in practice.

Fast-forward to Spring and Summer '16, and he doesn't practice well enough to win the job back from Kizer outright (no shock, because of how good Kizer looked at times in '15), but there is enough evidence that he is good enough as a pure "gamer" to force the competition into week 1 against Texas.

Fast-forward to now, and one fall camp isn't enough of an audition for a mobile QB trying to show what he can do in a McElwain offense.

I hope he wins it out, as I'd love to see him run up and down the field on scUM, but I don't think he's going to get an opportunity until Florida loses a couple early games.

 

[rocket66]

Should have gone to GT. Would have been awesome in Paul Johnson's offense.


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[Blaise]

I always liked Zaire but never understood people last year begging for him to start over Kizer... Flash forward a year and Kizer is in running to start for a NFL team and Zaire might be third string in Florida..

 

[dublinirish]

I always liked Zaire but never understood people last year begging for him to start over Kizer... Flash forward a year and Kizer is in running to start for a NFL team and Zaire might be third string in Florida..

Koooooooooooon

 

[koonja]

Koooooooooooon

He's not a better QB, but he wouldn't have let this team go 4-8. He has 100X more fire than Kizer. There's a difference between skill and 'get it done'. Malik would have gotten it done, at least more so than 4-8.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QB DeShone Kizer will start our 3rd preseason game vs. Tampa Bay<br> <br>Details » <a href="https://t.co/kn5KJtjHYI">https://t.co/kn5KJtjHYI</a> <a href="https://t.co/kLDveYYIJD">pic.twitter.com/kLDveYYIJD</a></p>— Cleveland Browns (@Browns) <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns/status/900338339546632192">August 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Kizer is likely a Day 1 starter as a rookie in the NFL.
Malik is third string at a middling CFB team with putrid offense..

 

[IrishLion]

He's not a better QB, but he wouldn't have let this team go 4-8. He has 100X more fire than Kizer. There's a difference between skill and 'get it done'. Malik would have gotten it done, at least more so than 4-8.

I don't think he would have had a say in the matter, really, if put in the same situation, but made the starter after Texas rather than Kizer.

The defense was atrocious, and the playcalling from the coaching staff was not good. The whole team was f*cked up mentally, and Malik was part of that issue.

 

[dublinirish]

I don't think he would have had a say in the matter, really, if put in the same situation, but made the starter after Texas rather than Kizer.

The defense was atrocious, and the playcalling from the coaching staff was not good. The whole team was f*cked up mentally, and Malik was part of that issue.

the only way malik could have lead the team was if DK had left the program or was out for the year with injury.

 

[Irish Insanity]

He's not a better QB, but he wouldn't have let this team go 4-8. He has 100X more fire than Kizer. There's a difference between skill and 'get it done'. Malik would have gotten it done, at least more so than 4-8.

He did let this team go 4-8. Because he couldn't even unseat the QB that lead us to that record. He looked like the worst QB on the roster when he got his shot during the Texas game.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QB DeShone Kizer will start our 3rd preseason game vs. Tampa Bay<br> <br>Details » <a href="https://t.co/kn5KJtjHYI">https://t.co/kn5KJtjHYI</a> <a href="https://t.co/kLDveYYIJD">pic.twitter.com/kLDveYYIJD</a></p>— Cleveland Browns (@Browns) <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns/status/900338339546632192">August 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Kizer is likely a Day 1 starter as a rookie in the NFL.
Malik is third string at a middling CFB team with putrid offense..

Let's be real, he's likely a day 1 starter because there's nobody else in Cleveland. And it would be best if he didn't start day 1. And Zaire could've started if he'd chosen the right school.

 

[ScooterIrish]

He's not a better QB, but he wouldn't have let this team go 4-8. He has 100X more fire than Kizer. There's a difference between skill and 'get it done'. Malik would have gotten it done, at least more so than 4-8.

Holy crap what a taek. ND would have beat Stanford if Kelly would have 1) actually committed to the run game and 2) Not played Malik.

Malik got nothing done when he played last year and got little done in the UVA game before he got injured. And if Kelly didn't have EG, LSU would have been a loss too.

Malik Zaire is not the gamer fans make him out to be. Amazing.

 

[ulukinatme]

Holy crap what a taek. ND would have beat Stanford if Kelly would have 1) actually committed to the run game and 2) Not played Malik.

Malik got nothing done when he played last year and got little done in the UVA game before he got injured. And if Kelly didn't have EG, LSU would have been a loss too.

Malik Zaire is not the gamer fans make him out to be. Amazing.

How do you figure on the LSU game? Golson contributed 6 completions and no scores to the game. I'm not saying he didn't have 1 or 2 helpful drives, but to assume that we lose the game without Golson is silly. Malik was playing very well and was MVP of that bowl game, probably our best bowl win against a quality opponent since Hotlz's days.

The fact remains that Zaire was the clear cut starter before the injury and beat out Kizer in camp in 2014. It stands to reason that a lot of people hoped he would bounce back after the injury, but the offense changed while he was out and honestly our running game blew chunks last year which hurt his skill set greatly. Malik had some intangibles that we haven't seen at the QB position for several years, call it "gamer" or whatever else you want. He lifted the team up when he was a starter, and some people have alluded to a split lockerroom last year that may have contributed to the losing season.

As far as the UVA game, it's silly to continue to throw that game completely on him. Watch that game again, our offense struggled as a whole for much of that game. We struggled to handle the Tenuta blitzes, the problems went far beyond the quarterback position. The fact remains we were still ahead in that game before his injury, and we were starting to take control.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Should have gone to GT. Would have been awesome in Paul Johnson's offense.

Totally agree. Would've been dangerous in that offense.

He's not a better QB, but he wouldn't have let this team go 4-8. He has 100X more fire than Kizer. There's a difference between skill and 'get it done'. Malik would have gotten it done, at least more so than 4-8.

Lol, this logic pleases me.

 

[koonja]

Zaire simply wouldn't allow a team to go 4-8, plain and simple. I don't care if Kizer is the more skilled quarterback. There are 1,000 examples in football of the 'more skilled guy' getting less out of his team.

Heart, practice, motivation, pulling teammates along goes a hell of a long way in CFB, especially when you're the leader.

We'll never know since he didn't start last year, but I know that team wouldn't have gone 4-8 with Zaire at QB.

 

[IrishLion]

Zaire simply wouldn't allow a team to go 4-8, plain and simple. I don't care if Kizer is the more skilled quarterback. There are 1,000 examples in football of the 'more skilled guy' getting less out of his team.

Heart, practice, motivation, pulling teammates along goes a hell of a long way in CFB, especially when you're the leader.

We'll never know since he didn't start last year, but I know that team wouldn't have gone 4-8 with Zaire at QB.

You're right, they would've been 3-9 lol

 

[ulukinatme]

You're right, they would've been 3-9 lol

Maybe he loses the Miami game, but he probably wins against NC St. by running the ball more. No way Zaire loses to Nevada, Syracuse, and Army. At worst I figure it's probably a wash and still 4-8, and probably could have been at least 5-7 with a win against Stanford.

 

[IrishLion]

Maybe he loses the Miami game, but he probably wins against NC St. by running the ball more. No way Zaire loses to the other 3 teams Kizer beats. At worst I figure it's probably a wash and still 4-8.

I didn't consider the NC State game, so you may be right...

But I feel like BK still would've called for 26 passes just to show how smart he is. Smarter than a hurricane.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Zaire simply wouldn't allow a team to go 4-8, plain and simple. I don't care if Kizer is the more skilled quarterback. There are 1,000 examples in football of the 'more skilled guy' getting less out of his team.

Heart, practice, motivation, pulling teammates along goes a hell of a long way in CFB, especially when you're the leader.

We'll never know since he didn't start last year, but I know that team wouldn't have gone 4-8 with Zaire at QB.

Lol. Classic.

 

[Luckylucci]

Lol. Classic.

The Zaire apologists are the best.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Are we still talking about how Malik is better than Deshone?

Rofl

 

[koonja]

Are we still talking about how Malik is better than Deshone?

Rofl

I don't think anyone said Mailk is a better QB than Kizer. So roll over and stuff.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I don't think anyone said Mailk is a better QB than Kizer. So roll over and stuff.

So, he's not "better", but he would have won more games?

My definition of "better" must be off....