'13 IN ATH Jaylon Smith (Notre Dame Man & Graduate)

[Grahambo]

Yeah. Darren Rovell reported that last night.
I know these insurance policies are fairly new but does anyone understand the finer details? I.e can he collect if he stays in school? Or can he renew it another year after an injury like this? Or does it essentially force his hand to declare now and collect if he falls in the draft?

I think he still could come back but I would definitely advise him to declare, especially now.

 

[dad4aa]

I think he still could come back but I would definitely advise him to declare, especially now.

I'm still not sure what is the best decision yet. The policy should be for whenever he declares for the NFL. If he declares now and is the last picked in the first round, he gives up millions and gets nothing from the policy. If he comes back and is successful rehabbing and is able to work his way back into the top 10-15, he makes millions more. Obviously this is all speculation, but I'm not sure he would drop all the way to the second round...and we won't know until we have definitive answers on the injury. The insurance policy may be a moot point anyway so no need to declare this year because of the insurance policy...unless I misunderstood your reasoning for definitely declaring now.

 

[koonja]

I wonder what his revised Draft grade would be. Any LBS or DL that were top 5 picks that went into the draft wjth a fresh knee tear?

 

[Bugzly21]

Watching the play again his knee did exactly what mine did in March when I fell off a castle in England (Whole other story). My knee was unbearable for a week of so but was only a Grade 2 MCL. Ortho actually wanted to call it a 2.5 because it was more than a 2 and not quite a 3. Went the route of PT before deciding on surgery. All said, didn't need surgery and 5 months after the injury I ran a 13:39 2 Mile run for my Army Physical Fitness Test. Hope for Jaylon his case is like mine

 

[Wingman Ray]

Could be a blessing in disguise for ND.

Considering that his stock will undoubtedly drop from this. After all, he is ranked so high based on his fluid movement, ability to accelerate and speed (among other things). Scouts will be left wondering if he will recover from this and have the same ability.

If Im the coaching staff, Im bringing this up and saying take next year to prove no doubt to the scouts plus get your degree.

 

[Irish Glory]

If one of our linemen made the exact same hit on Joey Bosa everyone on here would be praising their toughness

 

[mgriff]

Watching the play again his knee did exactly what mine did in March when I fell off a castle in England (Whole other story). My knee was unbearable for a week of so but was only a Grade 2 MCL. Ortho actually wanted to call it a 2.5 because it was more than a 2 and not quite a 3. Went the route of PT before deciding on surgery. All said, didn't need surgery and 5 months after the injury I ran a 13:39 2 Mile run for my Army Physical Fitness Test. Hope for Jaylon his case is like mine

Not maxing out your run time. Psh.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

He was blocking him. It was a freak injury. Get over it. They blew our doors off.

He blindsided him. If that had been the QB or another offensive player it would have been a penalty for hitting a defenseless player. Jaylon was about as defenseless as it gets. He was just getting up off the ground and got trucked. It was away from the play and had no impact on the play. There was no reason to hit him

 

[kmoose]

He blindsided him. If that had been the QB or another offensive player it would have been a penalty for hitting a defenseless player. Jaylon was about as defenseless as it gets. He was just getting up off the ground and got trucked. It was away from the play and had no impact on the play. There was no reason to hit him

I was pretty upset about what I thought was a late hit, as well. But then I noticed that the ball carrier actually fumbled on the play. So if Decker knew the ball was on the ground, then I think that justifies blasting Smith. I hate that it ended up with him getting hurt, though.

 

[Bugzly21]

Not maxing out your run time. Psh.

At my age only need to drop 3 more seconds. I'll hit in in April

 

[Grahambo]

I'm still not sure what is the best decision yet. The policy should be for whenever he declares for the NFL. If he declares now and is the last picked in the first round, he gives up millions and gets nothing from the policy. If he comes back and is successful rehabbing and is able to work his way back into the top 10-15, he makes millions more. Obviously this is all speculation, but I'm not sure he would drop all the way to the second round...and we won't know until we have definitive answers on the injury. The insurance policy may be a moot point anyway so no need to declare this year because of the insurance policy...unless I misunderstood your reasoning for definitely declaring now.

I just don't think he gains anything by coming back. What if he comes back and he's a step slower, etc or does something to his other knee because he was favoring that other knee? Force a team to gamble on you now instead of scouting you all year only to find out you lost a step. Sounds like he is covered either way but I just don't see the football benefit of coming back.

 

[Black Irish]

Terrible result, but it wasn't dirty IMO. Such a typical play. Jarron got hurt from Schmidt taking a similar shove from a teammate in August. Do we all think McGlinchey is a dirty player too? Quite frankly, I want to see our OL finish a play like that. Not saying it's the difference between our line play being soft/tough (news flash: our OL has been soft for years), but I see nothing wrong with what Decker did.

Probably the first time that I have literally felt sick from an injury, but it wasn't malicious. Just horrible luck. Part of me thinks Bosa saw that injury and realized he was playing in a meaningless game and got the targeting on purpose. His hit on Kizer did not look natural at all. Led with the crown, finished with the crown, and didn't wrap up at all.

Interesting theory. Bosa saw Jaylon go down and had his own NFL draft status and potetial millions flash before his eyes. If that's what happened, then that's some Machiavellian stuff Bosa pulled.

 

[brewdog_14527]

There has been a lot of talk about whether he should come back and play and finish his degree. I thought that I read somewhere that he may be on track to graduate in May. That may not be correct, but I wondered if anyone knew if that was true. Also, anyone know if he is having the MRI today?

 

[yankeehater]

I hope he recovers and can make up the money down the road. If he slips at all, the insurance policy will not be enough to cover. I was on another schools sight last night and they had a break down of last year's draft. Unfortunately, I can't locate it now. If I remember correctly, Marirotta was guaranteed around $16 mil as the first pick and the 32 pick (last of 1st round) was guaranteed around $5 mil. I think Collins out of Bama went first in the 2nd round and had no guaranteed money for whatever reason. The guy drafted next after Collins had a million dollars less in guaranteed money than the last pick in first round.

I do not remember what sight they pulled this from, but it had every pick and the money they made. It was really interesting. It amazed me how much of a difference just in the first round the money was last year.

 

[TheChosen1]

If I'm Jaylon the plan is pretty easy. I declare for the NFL, during my rehab I graduate from the Univesity of Notre Dame.

 

[rtrn2glory]

If I'm Jaylon the plan is pretty easy. I declare for the NFL, during my rehab I graduate from the Univesity of Notre Dame.

Yep no brainer good plan

 

[ColinKSU]

I'll slap Jaylon myself if he comes back.

I feel awful about his injury. He'd be an absolute fool if he didn't see this as a call to rehab his knee and go to the pros. Notre Dame's degree can wait, and he only has so much time to make the money he can make. He doesn't own ND or the fans of the program anything anymore. Good luck to him.

 

[dang227]

If I'm Jaylon the plan is pretty easy. I declare for the NFL, during my rehab I graduate from the Univesity of Notre Dame.

That is a great plan. If he comes back there is no guarantee he will be able to play a full year. Declare and hopefully his injury isn't too severe.

 

[dad4aa]

I'm still hoping for a less severe injury than what the internet doc said. Hoping the original assumption of torn MLC is correct. Devin Butler had his surgery tonight, haven't heard about Jaylon. My assumption is it will be later this week.

 

[peoriairish]

For posterity, it would likely be a torn LCL, not MCL. The MCL was not strained at all during the varus (knee moving outward) injury. I just wanted to clear that up.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Article talking about some factors related to Jaylon's decision and his injury. The contract value dropping from the #5 pick down to the #15 pick is enormous. If I'm in Jaylon's shoes, it's definitely not a slam dunk to declare if I'm confident I can rehab to the same level.

Will injury coax Jaylon Smith back to Notre Dame? - Notre Dame Insider: Notre Dame Football

Wright said it’s not inconceivable that Smith could slide from No. 5 to No. 15. And based on the inflexible rookie salary scale and last year’s signing figures, that’s the difference between a $21.2 million, four-year contract at the fifth draft position and one of $10.7 million, 10 picks later.

 

[dad4aa]

For posterity, it would likely be a torn LCL, not MCL. The MCL was not strained at all during the varus (knee moving outward) injury. I just wanted to clear that up.

I'm just going by what was said after preliminary sideline examination. Obviously not conclusive and the MRI is very important. There has been a ton of speculation of several different injuries and this is the only one I have heard was said.

 

[NDWorld247]

Article talking about some factors related to Jaylon's decision and his injury. The contract value dropping from the #5 pick down to the #15 pick is enormous. If I'm in Jaylon's shoes, it's definitely not a slam dunk to declare if I'm confident I can rehab to the same level.

Will injury coax Jaylon Smith back to Notre Dame? - Notre Dame Insider: Notre Dame Football

That's exactly why I made this post yesterday, which is an opinion that seems to be in the minority on this board...

1st round, yes. Top 10, no way. Returning to school is a better business decision.

Take a look at last year's 1st round contracts: 2015 NFL Draft first-round signing tracker - NFL.com

#1 pick - $23.352M, $16.7M signing bonus (i.e. guaranteed)
#5 - $21.2M, $13.7M
#10 - $13.82M, $8.31M
#15 - $10.67M, $6M
#20 - $9.377M, $5.1M
#32 - $7.7M, $3.9M

The numbers show you want to be a top 10 pick in the draft. There's not much of a difference between #11 and #32, but there's a significant bump for top 10 guys.

If Jaylon gambles on himself, he could make an extra $7-8 Million by coming back to school. Certainly not a "no-brainer" to declare.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'll slap Jaylon myself if he comes back.

I feel awful about his injury. He'd be an absolute fool if he didn't see this as a call to rehab his knee and go to the pros. Notre Dame's degree can wait, and he only has so much time to make the money he can make. He doesn't own ND or the fans of the program anything anymore. Good luck to him.

Andrew Luck decided to play one more year, and he was going to be the number 1 overall pick...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Andrew Luck decided to play one more year, and he was going to be the number 1 overall pick...

I can't speak to JS's upbringing/family situation, but Luck came from an affluent family, and had a degree in architecture. It's not like he felt any pressure from a financial standpoint to bring home the bacon. Maybe JS is the same, dunno.

 

[Black Irish]

How much does a player's position factor into their contract money? I'd think #1 QB pick is going to make more than #1 LB pick. Does it also matter if you're the 1st defensive guy taken? For instance, if Jaylon goes at #11, but everyone ahead of him is an offense skills guy, would it really hit his contract just because he went outside the top 10?

 

[Rizzophil]

How much does a player's position factor into their contract money? I'd think #1 QB pick is going to make more than #1 LB pick. Does it also matter if you're the 1st defensive guy taken? For instance, if Jaylon goes at #11, but everyone ahead of him is an offense skills guy, would it really hit his contract just because he went outside the top 10?

Every pick is basically slotted regardless of position

 

[ND NYC]

praying for all the best for Jaylon in his recovery and his future.

sso ick over this.

such a great representative of ND...once in a generation player.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

You guys may disagree, but as much as I'd love to see him come back I think it may be best to go even with the drop in draft position. I have no doubt he's going to earn a lucrative second contract in the league. But god forbid he comes back and gets another freak injury. He's such a damn great kid I want him to get paid while he can. And hopefully by the Giants! Whatever the decision, it's been a pleasure to watch him compete.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Does anyone else feel like Jaylon's career went by relatively quietly? I know that sounds crazy, I know he's an amazing player and probably the best defender since the Holtz Era.

But, he never seemed to make an off the field splash in the way Manti, Zibby, McCarthy, and the other defensive captains have.

I love that he showed up and got the work done. And it sounds like he was well respected.

But, it just seemed like his time just kind of flew by without ever really having a milestone moment.

Maybe I'm crazy, but his career feels like it was missing something.