Oct 17 | BYU

pumpdog20 · Oct 14, 2026

Katzenboyer said:
Right. Williams is in a different galaxy from Bear. Marcel Reed was a much better dual threat guy (at least when we faced him) last season. Maiva, too.

Different QBs for sure, but all those guys could win with their legs. Bear is a decent QB, and can hurt you with his arm, but he needs his legs to complement that.

I think ND is going to implement a plan similar to how they treated Colton Joseph week 1, and do everything they can to take away Bear's legs and make him beat them with his arm. We'll see if he can.

My bad, I misread you quote. I thought you were agreeing. I agree, I think Bear is good but we've faced better.

Dale · Oct 14, 2026

Katzenboyer said:
Right. Williams is in a different galaxy from Bear. Marcel Reed was a much better dual threat guy (at least when we faced him) last season. Maiva, too.

Different QBs for sure, but all those guys could win with their legs. Bear is a decent QB, and can hurt you with his arm, but he needs his legs to complement that.

I think ND is going to implement a plan similar to how they treated Colton Joseph week 1, and do everything they can to take away Bear's legs and make him beat them with his arm. We'll see if he can.

If I was BYU, the A&M tape would be where I would pull from. Klein does a lot of gimmicky PA and screen stuff too. Difference is Craver and Concepcion are NFL players with a NFL OL holding up.

NormND_44 · Oct 14, 2026

Loving the game week build up - BYU's fan base is enthusiastic and delusional - I missed this!! We are finally back <3

RDU Irish · Oct 14, 2026

I think we bring the hammer in all three phases of the game. First real opportunity for a "leave no doubt" game since we were snubbed. BYU will get labeled a pretender and all of CFB will try to defer to the Miami game hoping we get beat to undermine what they all know we are.

Dale · Oct 14, 2026

If you assume PA and Screens don’t overlap (probably not perfect assumption), Bear has only straight dropped back 50 times, he has a 55% completion in those attempts

IRISHDODGER · Oct 14, 2026

Katzenboyer said:
Right. Williams is in a different galaxy from Bear. Marcel Reed was a much better dual threat guy (at least when we faced him) last season. Maiva, too.

Different QBs for sure, but all those guys could win with their legs. Bear is a decent QB, and can hurt you with his arm, but he needs his legs to complement that.

I think ND is going to implement a plan similar to how they treated Colton Joseph week 1, and do everything they can to take away Bear's legs and make him beat them with his arm. We'll see if he can.

I think Bear is better than Reed. Bear was not an early enrollee so he wasn’t given the entire playbook last season. That gave the impression of him being a run 1st, below avg passer IMO. He’s now got the entire playbook to go with 2 good WR & a TE. He will be a pain in the ass IMO much like Riley Leonard was in 2023 for Duke. I also expect him to play his best game to date vs ND. It won’t be like the TCU game.

NDPhilly · Oct 14, 2026

Total Yards Prop Bet on FanDuel:

jerseyborn1971 · Oct 14, 2026

I saw a BYU fan today point out that ND has a porous secondary. We're screwed.

Blazers46 · Oct 14, 2026

My only “worry” is that NDs run game is a mirage. If Williams were the #1 I would actually be worried. Establishing the run in a top 10 matchup on someone else’s turf is huge key to winning this game.

Dale · Oct 14, 2026

Studying their offense more, it’s really the perfect offense for the post-Texas/OU Big 12. Basically you got a thiccc ass QB, good RB and jumbo personnel that does a bunch of horizontal gimmicks to get big dudes in space against DBs that cannot tackle. But that is what the whole system relies on, a bunch of non-NFL players that cannot tackle.

Blazers46 · Oct 14, 2026

jerseyborn1971 said:
I saw a BYU fan today point out that ND has a porous secondary. We're screwed.

I have heard this a lot from BYU. If this were politics I would think this is a BYU talking point, maybe they are blasting the most elite group in the nation only to QB run all game in 12 personnel.

arrowryan · Oct 14, 2026

Dale said:
Studying their offense more, it’s really the perfect offense for the post-Texas/OU Big 12. Basically you got a thiccc ass QB, good RB and jumbo personnel that does a bunch of horizontal gimmicks to get big dudes in space against DBs that cannot tackle. But that is what the whole system relies on, a bunch of non-NFL players that cannot tackle.

And the good RB is out

ACamp1900 · Oct 14, 2026

Sounds like I might miss the game,... I'll be appreciating any detailed postings in this thread during the game,...

RDU Irish · Oct 14, 2026

Blazers46 said:
My only “worry” is that NDs run game is a mirage. If Williams were the #1 I would actually be worried. Establishing the run in a top 10 matchup on someone else’s turf is huge key to winning this game.

After watching the Tengwall breakdown I am feeling pretty good about our offense getting some chunk plays on the ground and CJ FITFO to move the chains.

CANONIZEFATHERSORIN · Oct 14, 2026

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tko · Oct 14, 2026

As always, I worry about Denbrock.

RudyVerse · Oct 14, 2026

Their opponents F+ rankings:

Iowa State ------- 54
TCU -------------- 47
Colorado State ---105
Utah Tech -------- 95
Arizona ----------- 35

Ours are no better but FWIW: Wisconsin 37, MSU 60.

calvegas04 · Oct 14, 2026

ACamp1900 said:
Sounds like I might miss the game,... I'll be appreciating any detailed postings in this thread during the game,...

Game day thread is the best source for detailed insight during the games

RDU Irish · Oct 14, 2026

CANONIZEFATHERSORIN said:
Helen Mar Kimball - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Helen Mar Kimball (August 22, 1828 – November 13, 1896) was one of 30 to 40 plural wives of Joseph Smith, founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. She was sealed in marriage to him when she was 14 years old. After his death when she was 16"

Listen here Pal. Everything I know about Mormons I learned from South Park, and I'd like to keep it that way!

RDU Irish · Oct 14, 2026

RudyVerse said:
Their opponents F+ rankings:

Iowa State ------- 54
TCU -------------- 47
Colorado State ---105
Utah Tech -------- 95
Arizona ----------- 35

Ours are no better but FWIW: Wisconsin 37, MSU 60.

Don't look now but Wisconsin's "gauntlet" run is the next three weeks @UCLA, hosting USC and then @ Iowa. UCLA is ripe with their QB out. BYU might want to worry about keeping it closer than 41-13 to stay ahead the Badgers in the polls.

NotKoon · Oct 14, 2026

In case we were wondering where the national media is on this game. College football enquirer said we still won’t know anything about ND after this game because BYU won’t be able to compete.
Somehow we apparently know more about Miami than ND though and they don’t have the same questions about them

MeanGreenBeans · Oct 14, 2026

RDU Irish said:
Don't look now but Wisconsin's "gauntlet" run is the next three weeks @UCLA, hosting USC and then @ Iowa. UCLA is ripe with their QB out. BYU might want to worry about keeping it closer than 41-13 to stay ahead the Badgers in the polls.

UCLA is going down to Wisconsin.

RDU Irish · Oct 14, 2026

MeanGreenBeans said:
UCLA is going down to Wisconsin.

If they go 2-1 the next three weeks they deserve ranking with a posh November of Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Minnesota making 10-2 finish the most Wisconsin football move imaginable. They would have no business sniffing the CFP but still find themselves in the debate.

ab2cmiller · Oct 14, 2026

calvegas04 said:
Game day thread is the best source for detailed insight during the games

Agreed. I've learned a lot. From those Game Day threads, I now know for a fact that there are at least 30 people from this board alone that are more knowledgeable about play calling than Mike Denbrock.

Some Irish Bloke · Oct 14, 2026

RudyVerse said:
Their opponents F+ rankings:

Iowa State ------- 54
TCU -------------- 47
Colorado State ---105
Utah Tech -------- 95
Arizona ----------- 35

Ours are no better but FWIW: Wisconsin 37, MSU 60.

Margin of victory, on the other hand, is apples and oranges in favor of the good guys.

thekid33 · Oct 14, 2026

ACamp1900 said:
I'll be appreciating any detailed postings in this thread during the game,..

That won't be a problem

NDPhilly · Oct 14, 2026

"ND hasn't played a game against a team like BYU" - Seen this a lot and the correct response is that they'd be a 2pt neutral field favorite to Wisconsin, who actually has more talent.

We actually would be a larger neutral field favorite against Bama / Texas than BYU would be against Wisconsin.

Dok Entropy:

Sagarin:

Bane · Oct 14, 2026

Katzenboyer said:
Right. Williams is in a different galaxy from Bear. Marcel Reed was a much better dual threat guy (at least when we faced him) last season. Maiva, too.

Different QBs for sure, but all those guys could win with their legs. Bear is a decent QB, and can hurt you with his arm, but he needs his legs to complement that.

I think ND is going to implement a plan similar to how they treated Colton Joseph week 1, and do everything they can to take away Bear's legs and make him beat them with his arm. We'll see if he can.

What I know is we are going to have to wrap and finish tackles on him because he won’t go down easy. When he runs we have to make him feel it.

SWirishfan · Oct 14, 2026

IRISHDODGER said:
I think Bear is better than Reed. Bear was not an early enrollee so he wasn’t given the entire playbook last season. That gave the impression of him being a run 1st, below avg passer IMO. He’s now got the entire playbook to go with 2 good WR & a TE. He will be a pain in the ass IMO much like Riley Leonard was in 2023 for Duke. I also expect him to play his best game to date vs ND. It won’t be like the TCU game.

Bear is chunky Riley Leonard

402puck · Oct 14, 2026

Dale said:
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Only in 10/11 49% of the time. Even though he is their best weapon, it is indeed Glasker that comes off usually for the 12, 21 etc personnel, so you can take Gray off completely in that case.

Lot of PA, lot of screens as mentioned prior.

The play action is a concern, as aggressive as ND’s defense is, they get sucked in on PA a fair amount and I’ve said it before that’s the recipe for success against this secondary

But if BYU wants to try and ground and pound and then dink and dunk with screens all day, more power to them

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