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Im just not convinced of this. If a team already plays 4 ranked games, why would they want another top 10 opponent? Their schedule is already hard enough, and they aren’t a sure thing to go the required 9-3+
My logic is 3 losses is borderline trending to missing the playoffs for the big programs (Bama, Texas etc) but a 24 team playoff means they'll always be in with 3 losses and sometimes even 4.
 

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Im just not convinced of this. If a team already plays 4 ranked games, why would they want another top 10 opponent? Their schedule is already hard enough, and they aren’t a sure thing to go the required 9-3+
Because the inclusion criteria somewhat broadens and everyone will be clamoring for those last few spots. Usually there are few 2 loss teams. A few more 3 loss teams.

Here's cGPT grabbing the numbers for me. It shows the number of teams with 2 losses or less in the P4 and outside. 3 losses in P4 and outside, 4 losses in P4 and outside.

You have between 14-19 teams with 2 losses or less each year b/w P4 and non-P4. 3 loss P4 teams bumps that number up between 6-10. So 20-29 teams who have an argument for inclusion in the playoffs, not including the 3 loss non-p4 teams or 4 loss teams. I would think the SOS and appt-adjusted metrics would be very important.

Season
≤2 losses P4+ND​
≤2 non-P4​
3 losses P4+ND​
3 non-P4​
4 losses P4+ND​
4 non-P4​
2021
14​
4​
7​
4​
9​
5​
2022
10​
4​
6​
4​
13​
7​
2023
13​
6​
6​
2​
8​
8​
2024
12​
3​
10​
7​
8​
8​
2025
13​
4​
8​
7​
12​
8​
Total
62
21
37
24
50
36
 

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2 games in Bloomington to 1 in South Bend? ND isn't the Mountain West!

No offer them the opposite of Cignetti’s BS. 2 in South Bend

Nobody is gonna wanna schedule a title contender like IU on short notice

An aside - if they go to a 10 game requirement, they should make it so a school cannot accept payment for scheduling a game. No IU pays UCF to play a game BS.
 

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No offer them the opposite of Cignetti’s BS. 2 in South Bend

Nobody is gonna wanna schedule a title contender like IU on short notice

An aside - if they go to a 10 game requirement, they should make it so a school cannot accept payment for scheduling a game. No IU pays UCF to play a game BS.
Well thank goodness I misread.
 

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No offer them the opposite of Cignetti’s BS. 2 in South Bend

Nobody is gonna wanna schedule a title contender like IU on short notice

An aside - if they go to a 10 game requirement, they should make it so a school cannot accept payment for scheduling a game. No IU pays UCF to play a game BS.
I thought we put italics on stuff for sarcasm.
 

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Won’t be a big deal once CFP expands. Everyone will be scheduling high profile games
The main way to solve the issue of "incentives" is using a direct qualification system for playoffs versus any sort of rankings that will always over-index losses relative to wins.

In a 16 team playoff where SEC and Big Ten each get 4x teams, ACC gets 3x teams, Big 12 gets 3x teams, and 2x G6/ND get in based on rankings you are pretty much guaranteed to incentivize playing big games and generating revenue because only your conference games matter.

In a 24 team playoff, it gets even more absurd. Imagine Big Ten getting 6x, SEC 6x, ACC 4x, Big 12 4x, 4x at-large... literally all of the incentive is around generating $$ to fund your program and then focusing on finishing in the top third of your conference.
 

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The main way to solve the issue of "incentives" is using a direct qualification system for playoffs versus any sort of rankings that will always over-index losses relative to wins.

In a 16 team playoff where SEC and Big Ten each get 4x teams, ACC gets 3x teams, Big 12 gets 3x teams, and 2x G6/ND get in based on rankings you are pretty much guaranteed to incentivize playing big games and generating revenue because only your conference games matter.

In a 24 team playoff, it gets even more absurd. Imagine Big Ten getting 6x, SEC 6x, ACC 4x, Big 12 4x, 4x at-large... literally all of the incentive is around generating $$ to fund your program and then focusing on finishing in the top third of your conference.
I am perfectly fine with either. But think the “2.5” or “3.5” model for Big 12 and ACC is best. Essentially 2 or 3 locks, then the next best school.
 

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I am perfectly fine with either. But think the “2.5” or “3.5” model for Big 12 and ACC is best. Essentially 2 or 3 locks, then the next best school.
I'm personally a big fan of going to 16 and eliminating byes. I think 24 comes across as crazy clunky and too much of a participation trophy but who knows.
 

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Punt & Rally is a new favorite CFB site of mine and they do the best job with "Team Talent" as they factor in recruiting rankings+grades for transfers, unlike 247.


ND is 5th (our high water mark in i would assume 30 years), and Wisconsin is 32nd, good for 10th in B10. They also have them power rated 70th (yikes), and us #1.

This talent composite seems high and also sorta divorced from their power rating, wonder what their logic is here but also glad someone is trying for a new age "blue chip ratio" since the other one is now defunct. I think a fun game to play is "who would start for us?" ... not sure if Wisconsin has a single dude. They basically have no one mocked in 2027 and I don't think they have a bunch of stud underclassmen either. Most of the guys they added in the portal seem like they are of the good-not-great variety.
 

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This talent composite seems high and also sorta divorced from their power rating, wonder what their logic is here but also glad someone is trying for a new age "blue chip ratio" since the other one is now defunct. I think a fun game to play is "who would start for us?" ... not sure if Wisconsin has a single dude. They basically have no one mocked in 2027 and I don't think they have a bunch of stud underclassmen either. Most of the guys they added in the portal seem like they are of the good-not-great variety.

Showing 13 4 stars for them, so like 3 a class including transfer, which looks right when u look at 247. In general the talent levels really fall off a cliff outside the top 15-20 so not too surprised they are 32.

Punt and Rally is definitely way lower on them then most. Here’s a few of the other well known ones:

Sargarin: 26!!!
DokterEntropy: 37 - most predictive 2025
TeamRankings.com: 41
FPI: 42
Slate Fluker: 33

FWIW Dokter Entropy (most predictive 2025) has us #1 🤷‍♂️
 

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I'm personally a big fan of going to 16 and eliminating byes. I think 24 comes across as crazy clunky and too much of a participation trophy but who knows.

I think 20 is the perfect number. Anyone ranked 21 or lower has zero claim at a chance to win it all.

First round is a play in with teams ranked 13-20. Maybe replacing conference championship week?
Second round is 16 teams, no byes.
 

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I think 20 is the perfect number. Anyone ranked 21 or lower has zero claim at a chance to win it all.

First round is a play in with teams ranked 13-20. Maybe replacing conference championship week?
Second round is 16 teams, no byes.
When has the 20th team in the country ever had even a slight argument that they deserved a title shot?? Hell how often has any team outside the top five had one honestly?
 

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Matt Freeman noted that he doesn't think KVA plays on Sunday. Says it isn't because of a setback, but they appear to be exercising caution with getting him back out there.
 

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When has the 20th team in the country ever had even a slight argument that they deserved a title shot?? Hell how often has any team outside the top five had one honestly?

I'd argue the 13th ranked team had a great chance to win it all last year.

More to the point though, teams 13-20 won't have a chance, but it spreads the wealth. It allows everyone a chance at the post season.

Selfishly, making it the top 20 solves three huge issues for us:
-It shuts up the 2 or maybe 3 (Texas) loss crybabies.
-it brings back quality regular season matchups. Teams will schedule us again.
-It allows the smaller conferences a chance at playoffs and a piece of the pie.
 

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I'm personally a big fan of going to 16 and eliminating byes. I think 24 comes across as crazy clunky and too much of a participation trophy but who knows.
16 is giving some participating trophies as well, but this comes closer to satisfying the crybabies without making this a joke. It's not like the NCAA where you only need a few guys to be able to pull off the upset.
 

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Go back to the old pre-BCS system of conference tie-ins and random invites sometimes issued two weeks before season ended.
Stack all the big games on New Years Day.
Rank #1 and 2 after those bowl games and tell them to show up at the Rose Bowl on Saturday afternoon of MLK Weekend.
Winner gets a trophy.

This is the way.
 
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