Couple of things (spring)

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Yeah I know but my point was on 247 and SB Tribune they were taking about Golic/Martin and Lombard starting and the part I was confused was there was 0 mention of Nichols like he was injured or something and not even a reason like u gave why he could not start

I agree with you STL, that did seem to change very abruptly, but I guess if Kelly were to explain to everyone why Nichols isn't as good as Lombard, Golic or Martin it would seem like kicking a guy while he was down, you know? All we need to know is that this week the staff decided that the line is better with Lombard at tackle and Golic or Martin at guard.

I also wondered when Hanratty was eliminated. He got some 1st team reps last week, I thought I read.
 

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Saying Lynch didn't win ND a single game is like saying Te'o didn't win a single game. While that may be true, there is no way you can minimize the impact he could have this year. He would've made guys like Tuitt and KLM better because other teams would have had to probably double team Lynch at times.

Can someone admit that Lynch was a talent but his technique and understanding of playing within the scheme were off. He did mot really improve and from my understanding did not take coaching well. With this being true he would have never been a full time player we could trust. He was also all about himself. I think that is a reason why the team is not shaken up over this. In a way it is addition by subtraction.
 

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Had the pleasure of going up to the coaches clinic and gathering some good stuff from practice and the team

1. I got to meet THE BEAUBENKEN so that was the headliner of my trip, so everything else was just icing on the cake.

2. Talked to some of the guys about the QB competition. The consensus was the Golson is the best qb in terms of talent and potential, and Rees is there mentally and scheme wise. Golson needs to do a few things to show the coaching staff he is ready to embrace the role of being the QB at Notre Dame. Off-season will be very important for Golson along with Hendrix.

A. From practice Rees did look good on Friday, can't even lie about that. Golson looked a decent, but he really showed his potential on Saturday. Hendrix had a good day on both days, nothing that will make you jump out of your seat but enough to give you comfort if he was the starter.

B. Kiel looks the part but is def a little lost out there. Kid throws a good ball and shows that "athletic" ability that Rees lacks, but not to the point of a Golson/Hendrix.

C. All 4 qbs can run this offense is the key. Last year it was more a prototypical spread. This year like it has been mentioned the depth at TE gives the offense a lot of flexibility as far as packages and formations.

3. The Oline looks 200% better. Talked a few Oline guys and they are saying the samething. The schemes fit their style of play and the concepts are easier. They are in great shape and were making very nice holes. Its not going to take much for Cwood, Theo, and GA3 to get loose and they are making the holes consistently. There is a sense of confidence around the Oline too. I think this will be the best Oline in a long long time.

4. RBs. I will be sitting very very relaxed come fall knowing that we have 2 capable RBs again this year, and if GA3 can get consistent we will have 3 guys that can make a play at any point. Cwood was getting the corner with easy on Friday, and you can def tell he has put in a lot of a time with his hands. Kid made a couple of excellent catches. Theo just looks comfortable and more importantly EXPLOSIVE in the formations and I feel he is going to finally have that year we all know he is capable of.

5. WR/TEs- Daniel Smith looked very good. Ran solid routes and made some fantastic catches over the two days of practice. Only knock on him is a few times he could have probably gotten to a ball but got lazy on the end of the route. Goody looked like a different player on Friday. Looked aggressive and def showed a leadership role. The most exciting thing for me personally was the staff finally realized what they have in Toma. I fully expect the packages and plays with him will be used for Davonte Neal and that will be very exciting, but Toma is more than holding his own and is def the most consistent WR out there other than Eifert. Toma finishes his routes and you could really see he knows how to use his size and speed to his advantage. Eifert was outstanding, and Koyack/Welch looked good the line. Koyack has a excellent set of hands.

6. Defense. Talked to a prominent starter for a very extended period of time, and he is very confident in the defense. The front 7 will be outstanding. Tuitt is just a specimen that is only going to get more unstoppable as he matures. Grace, Bennett, Ishaq were probably the 3 that stuck out the most in practice. Ishaq def looks comfortable and just is flowing a lot better. He is getting to the ball, and zones with ease. You can def tell he isn’t 100% comfortable, but he is at the point where he is doing more reacting than thinking, and when he does get lost he is just using his aggressiveness to get the ball. Grace looked like he is going to be more than capable of filling in for #5 when he leaves after this year. Bennett might be special in his last 2 years. Hips and vision are outstanding and he isn’t afraid to stick his head in there. Dline is just the Dline. Oline is improving by going against that Dline everyday and its showing. Farley looks the part of a safety, and did pretty well in what I saw. Eilar is getting his legs back and did some good things. Once he gets his legs and knowledge….skys the limit.

7. Cause for concern…Jalen Brown looks the part, but needs to hit the weight room seriously to get stronger and is quite a ways from being ready to play. Atkinson was probably the best cb out there other than Bennett in the 2 practices I saw. Lo did some good things as well, but just the shear being able to jump routes and be in position to make plays he wasn’t there but looked a lot better than expected.

8. Jarron Jones can easily pack on 30lbs and be an athlete. I don’t think he plays at all this year unless we have injuries. It was good to meet him and he is a great kid. Type of kid you want at ND. Def can tell he is hungry.

9. From those I spoke to…there is a confidence that this year will be good. They are def a team, and they care about each other. They are all in shape, and very motivated. I think that with a lot of the fanbase doubting them they will surprise some people this year.


Utopo absolutely destroyed that kid on the kickoff drill lol

He's so dreamy. I'm soooo jealous you got one-on-one, alone time with that Adonis.
 

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Ha. everyone? not from this guy. Important for sure. And if its ok with the players and coaches then why would you have a problem with it. Trust me my man, the players are 110% ok with it. Isn't that all that matters? They win/lose games, not you.

So if I asked you who would have been the most important player besides Manti who would it be?

It's good for you that you get to talk to the players, but that doesn't mean much to me. I would be surprised if any player gave you anything but a positive point of view. That's the way players are suppose to think.
 

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Can someone admit that Lynch was a talent but his technique and understanding of playing within the scheme were off. He did mot really improve and from my understanding did not take coaching well. With this being true he would have never been a full time player we could trust. He was also all about himself. I think that is a reason why the team is not shaken up over this. In a way it is addition by subtraction.

If this is true, he could have created huge gaps and given up huge plays despite his great talent.
 

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Saying that Lynch didn't win a single game for us is a ridiculous statement. He doesn't have to make game changing plays. He was extremely disruptive in the backfield and most likely limited potential big plays by the other team. That wins you a game.
 

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Can someone admit that Lynch was a talent but his technique and understanding of playing within the scheme were off. He did mot really improve and from my understanding did not take coaching well. With this being true he would have never been a full time player we could trust. He was also all about himself. I think that is a reason why the team is not shaken up over this. In a way it is addition by subtraction.

To be honest, I've been preparing myself with the Lynch departure by convicing myself that DE is our deepest position, and that with Day and Jones we'll be ok. And I acutally kind of believe that.

But this just sounds like sour grapes. Let's be honest with ourselves: we lost a great player, and that happens. We all have no choice other than move on.
 

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And that is why he did not play a ton early and early in series unless there were injuries. Go watch film and eatch him fly up firld and create gaps. He was very uncoachable. Not the type of guy that is all about the team.
 

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To be honest, I've been preparing myself with the Lynch departure by convicing myself that DE is our deepest position, and that with Day and Jones we'll be ok. And I acutally kind of believe that.

But this just sounds like sour grapes. Let's be honest with ourselves: we lost a great player, and that happens. We all have no choice other than move on.

He wasnt mentally there. Gave an amszibg amount of effort on game day. Not so much elsewhere. Great physical talent.
 

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Saying that Lynch didn't win a single game for us is a ridiculous statement. He doesn't have to make game changing plays. He was extremely disruptive in the backfield and most likely limited potential big plays by the other team. That wins you a game.

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Can someone admit that Lynch was a talent but his technique and understanding of playing within the scheme were off. He did mot really improve and from my understanding did not take coaching well. With this being true he would have never been a full time player we could trust. He was also all about himself. I think that is a reason why the team is not shaken up over this. In a way it is addition by subtraction.

Sour grapes...he was a freshman yet our best pass rusher. His loss is not addition by subtraction. Obviously you don't want roster full of selfish players, but it hurts to lose someone as talented as Lynch.

Calling a freshman uncoachable is ridiculous.
 
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Lynch said in an interview this spring that he was still trying to get better at doing what coaches are telling him. Its not sour grapes to say that, every coach that has discussed him and his progress has said the same things. He is a great talent, but it isn't necessary to get to the quarterback when the ball has already been handed off to a RB who just ran through the hole created by an overaggressive lineman.
 

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For players and coaches I get your point, but for me it doesn't matter. If you asked everybody on here last week who is the most important player on defense besides Te'o most would have said Lynch. Now that he is gone we get comments saying he didn't win ND any games last year.

I probably would have said any guy in the defensive backfield before Lynch.
 

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Lynch said in an interview this spring that he was still trying to get better at doing what coaches are telling him. Its not sour grapes to say that, every coach that has discussed him and his progress has said the same things. He is a great talent, but it isn't necessary to get to the quarterback when the ball has already been handed off to a RB who just ran through the hole created by an overaggressive lineman.

A freshman made mistakes (yet still led the team in sacks) AND he acknowledges them and says that he's trying to listen to the coaches...I don't see a problem with that.
 

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What game did Lynch win for ND? How?

By this reasoning, it wouldn't be problematic to lose almost anyone on the team...Nix, KLM, Z. Martin, etc. didn't individually win games for ND either, but they were integral to the success of the team (like Lynch).
 

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A freshman made mistakes (yet still led the team in sacks) AND he acknowledges them and says that he's trying to listen to the coaches...I don't see a problem with that.

No oneon here will not say he is talented physically. But just because he led the team in sacks it does not mean he was really doing his job. He is similar to shembo. Freshman year all he did was rush qb so he was fine. When he became a full time player he struggled.

Secondly saying he is listening and actually listening are two different things. This guys was a rogue player. Not a team player.
 

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By this reasoning, it wouldn't be problematic to lose almost anyone on the team...Nix, KLM, Z. Martin, etc. didn't individually win games for ND either, but they were integral to the success of the team (like Lynch).

This question is diected to those who say Lynch won games for us. Yes, he made some plays. But what game do we not win without him?
 

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What game did Lynch win for ND? How?

If you want to say that then I'll say what games has Manti won for ND. Both guys are playmakers on defense and that's what you need to be a great team. One player can't win a game and never has, but he was difference maker and made ND's defense better.
 

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If you want to say that then I'll say what games has Manti won for ND. Both guys are playmakers on defense and that's what you need to be a great team. One player can't win a game and never has, but he was difference maker and made ND's defense better.

no one is questioning his ability to make the defense better when he does what he is coached to do.
 

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If you want to say that then I'll say what games has Manti won for ND. Both guys are playmakers on defense and that's what you need to be a great team. One player can't win a game and never has, but he was difference maker and made ND's defense better.

Agreed, but again for those who are not reading all the posts and are too lazy if you read back there were those who said Lynch won games for ND. I am asking them how and which ones. I in no way think a player could. But others have said that so I am asking the question.
 

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Chill peeps lol.

Everyone on here agrees that Lynch is a talent. Yes he had a Freshmen All American year. Yes he would have helped our defense immensly and we all wish things would have worked out.

Trust me on this though. Aaron Lynch is better off not at ND, and ND is better without Aaron Lynch. Clearly BK, Mrs. Lynch, and Aaron all tried to make it work. There are things that ND footballs do outside of football that are just not acceptable believe it or not but sometimes you cant put a square peg in a circle. Thats why you have kids like Aaron and Tee that sometimes just dont work out at ND. Both are great kids but like I said, at ND you have to carry yourself differently, and that is why ND is special.

But lets talk about Spring Football fellas. Not Mr. Lynch
 

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no one is questioning his ability to make the defense better when he does what he is coached to do.

THIS...It seems on the site there are fans confused between being fans and watching the game for fun. Then thinking they can disect the game.
And there are those who have coached and worked at the college level that eatch for fun but can analyze like a coach with an understanding of the game.
Two groups clashing
 

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Football is as much about schemes and assignments as it is about individual talent. Sure, if we were replacing someone as talented as Lynch with the trombone player in the pep band, that would be a problem. Fortunately for us, Lynch was not the only talented lineman on the team. He was quite possibly our most talented, but his loss is not insurmountable.

There are about 120 FBS football teams, and NONE of them will have Aaron Lynch this season. Some will be good, some will horrible. Using the loss of one player as an excuse is weak. The program is bigger than one player - any player.

I have a very strong Ewing Theory feeling going into this season.
 

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Last question. Do Aaron and Tee leaving affect our graduation rate?
 

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Last question. Do Aaron and Tee leaving affect our graduation rate?

Tee maybe. Aaron, no. If you're not in good academic standing then it affects your graduation rate. I don't know how bad Tee's academic standing was... but he also withdrew without ever finishing a semester... so I don't think he'd necessarily even have official grades. I just don't really have any idea.
 

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Last question. Do Aaron and Tee leaving affect our graduation rate?


I could be wrong (highly doubtful) but transfers aren't counted against schools unless they are having academic issues. Not sure if Tee's midterm grades would apply here or what they even were.
 
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