Who is Likely Next (2013)

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Bogtrotter07

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Doubtfire probably praying KeiVarae Russell redshirts so he dosent have to pronounce his name every week :/
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Yeah, Dub, I think he may well have problems with his name - Russle is even a bit taxing for him.
 
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Regarding Isaac the interest in USC is real. Right now its a USC, ND, Michigan battle imo. Michigan is the hot team right now, a lot of people in his camp are in ND's corner and USC is extremely tin at RB plus who wouldn't want to live in Hollywood and compete for Natty titles. I dont think anyone leads for Isaac but i like Notre Dame chances we need to make a splash this weekend. Plus Martin and Alford are recruiting him.
 
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One would think that offering some and not all, or all in 13, but not for existing players, could in fact lead to other legal ramifications.

Regardless, I'm happy to see things trending in the right direction, even if it's not a wholesale change.

Now if they's just add an early signing period, I'd be happy.
 
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Irish YJ said:
One would think that offering some and not all, or all in 13, but not for existing players, could in fact lead to other legal ramifications.

Regardless, I'm happy to see things trending in the right direction, even if it's not a wholesale change.

Now if they's just add an early signing period, I'd be happy.
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I think an early signing period would hurt Notre Dame. We do so much of our leg work on campus and late in the game.. I don't mind the signing period the way it is.
 
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I would say that if we come away with any verbals tommorrow that would be good.
 
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Someone to watch is Keeon Johnson. He is bringing his parents and grandmother I believe which bodes well for us. I wouldn't be shocked if he commits.
 
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Who'saWildManNow said:
I think an early signing period would hurt Notre Dame. We do so much of our leg work on campus and late in the game.. I don't mind the signing period the way it is.
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I certainly respect your opinion Wild Man, but disagree big time :). I think the long term impacts are both pro-student, and pro-ND (or any schoold that wants to do it the right way). In a rush, so pardon the quick mess of thoughts below.

There are so many reasons I don't know where to start.
1. Creates some order in the wild west of recruiting
2. Allows coaches to focus on signing others rather than continuously recruiting already signed players.
3. Protects early committed players from losing offer/scholarship if he gets hurt, or a 5 star comes knocking at the schools door late in the game.
4. Cuts down on forced grey shirts late in the recruiting year.
5. Cuts down on the early offers years in advance... NCAAFB is not as crazy here as NCAABB, but it's trending that way.
6. Eliminates the continued recruiting of a kid which eliminates a bit of the slime factor, but also allows the kid to focus on, and enjoy his last HS year.
7. Forces greater emphasis on the kid's long term love/fit for the school, while diminishing the short term "what's the record this year" and "who won their bowl game" aspects. Ultimately pushes a kid to look deeper, not just current surface.
8. Schools would be more selective in their offers, or would have to live with the potential of several early signing of low ranked players, or overload at certain positions.
9. The kids that truly want to be somewhere would lock in, and the attention grabbing NSD guys would be rolling the dice potentially with no saftey net.
10. And my favorite, cuts down on the drama

editing to add one more.... cuts down on the "insurance commit"
 
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Just because there is an early signing period doesn't mean they would have to sign. It would be like how it is now, the trend that seems to be rising is to sign after signing day. I think kids who commit early won't necessarily sign right away. Some may, but others may wait which will allow for poaching.

It hurts and helps ND, same as it is now. ND flips kids late in the process, and ND has decommits. It is just the way recruiting works, more people are understanding the dark side of recruiting because recruiting is becoming more and more mainstream than in the past.
 
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Hurts and helps ND, the same as all schools, but IMHO, is best for college football, universities as institutions, and the kids.
 
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Of course they will offer them, not many, but they will.
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You are incorrect. Saban will offer lots of 4 year schollies. 3 years in Juco, 1 at Alabama. Saban = Dirtbag (with apologies to dirtbags everywhere).
 
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Me2SouthBend said:
You are incorrect. Saban will offer lots of 4 year schollies. 3 years in Juco, 1 at Alabama. Saban = Dirtbag (with apologies to dirtbags everywhere).
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Was going to say, please do not slight the dirtbags.
 
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Irish YJ said:
I certainly respect your opinion Wild Man, but disagree big time :). I think the long term impacts are both pro-student, and pro-ND (or any schoold that wants to do it the right way). In a rush, so pardon the quick mess of thoughts below.

There are so many reasons I don't know where to start.
1. Creates some order in the wild west of recruiting
2. Allows coaches to focus on signing others rather than continuously recruiting already signed players.
3. Protects early committed players from losing offer/scholarship if he gets hurt, or a 5 star comes knocking at the schools door late in the game.
4. Cuts down on forced grey shirts late in the recruiting year.
5. Cuts down on the early offers years in advance... NCAAFB is not as crazy here as NCAABB, but it's trending that way.
6. Eliminates the continued recruiting of a kid which eliminates a bit of the slime factor, but also allows the kid to focus on, and enjoy his last HS year.
7. Forces greater emphasis on the kid's long term love/fit for the school, while diminishing the short term "what's the record this year" and "who won their bowl game" aspects. Ultimately pushes a kid to look deeper, not just current surface.
8. Schools would be more selective in their offers, or would have to live with the potential of several early signing of low ranked players, or overload at certain positions.
9. The kids that truly want to be somewhere would lock in, and the attention grabbing NSD guys would be rolling the dice potentially with no saftey net.
10. And my favorite, cuts down on the drama

editing to add one more.... cuts down on the "insurance commit"
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I definitely see where you're coming from YJ. Your points are solid and I think help the argument that it would benefit college football as a whole.

My simple concern is magnified a bit and deals specifically with ND campus visits. That seems to be where we grab the heart of a recruit and surge to the top of his list.

ND doesn't seem to hand out scholarships and get the immediate verbals like some SEC schools or those with recent success do. The staff needs time to educate these kids on NDs history, their future with an ND degree and that the current metamorphosis within the football program is one that will develop wins and not continued mediocrity.

I just think the Urban's, Lane's and Saban's of college ball will develop the scumbag skills necessary to force a kid to sign right away when he's still on the fence and we'll lose out on that all important campus visit.

Although, if your point below was a certain effect, I could see ND maybe benefitting over the football factories in the long run.
7. Forces greater emphasis on the kid's long term love/fit for the school, while diminishing the short term "what's the record this year" and "who won their bowl game" aspects. Ultimately pushes a kid to look deeper, not just current surface.
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In all honesty, there are so many variables involved in a situation like this that one could have enough info to confidently argue it multiple ways. It could really have no effect and we could continue ranking somewhere in the top15 recruiting classes every year. :whoknows:
 
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I tend to disagree. There is a good amount of offers for RB out there. I think that they at least want 1.
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Oh we definitely want at least 1 and preferably 2. I just think it is a luxury because we brought in Amir Carlisle who has superstar potential... as well as Mahone, GAIII, Cam McDaniel, and KeiVarae Russel who could play either WR or RB and is pretty dynamic in his own right. And even Davonte Neal can carry the ball out of the backfield. so that's up to 6 RBs in the past two classes... and at minimum 3 true RBs.

My point is, if we miss on RBs it's not the end of the world. The only guy who is really of paramount importance is Isaac and that's more because if we don't land him then one of the teams we play does.
 
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If we get 2 commits I would be happy. If we get up to ten by some miracle... I will have to give Phork all my money.
 
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