Wave of the future: J Prestwood & A Carlisle

irishog77

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Sorry if this has been asked already somewhere, but does anybody know how it works with transfers in to ND, as far as their 5th year is concerned? Do they need to meet the same criteria (be approved, be accepted into a graduate program, etc.) as any other 5th year at ND? For example, say Barr does transfer in and sits a year. When he is eligible to play, he will be a senior, credit wise. Would that 5th year be pretty much a given, or would he have to play the waiting game and be at the mercy of the school granting him that 5th year?
 

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Sorry if this has been asked already somewhere, but does anybody know how it works with transfers in to ND, as far as their 5th year is concerned? Do they need to meet the same criteria (be approved, be accepted into a graduate program, etc.) as any other 5th year at ND? For example, say Barr does transfer in and sits a year. When he is eligible to play, he will be a senior, credit wise. Would that 5th year be pretty much a given, or would he have to play the waiting game and be at the mercy of the school granting him that 5th year?

I doubt any of us knows for sure, because as far as I know that sort of transfer has never happened before in ND's football program. But the basketball team has accepted transfers who have played two years at other schools. I can't imagine why the football team couldn't take a transfer who had played two years elsewhere and give him a scholarship for three years. Football players who start at ND have to petition for a 5th year because they have already been on scholarship for four. With a transfer that won't be the case. But I'm strictly speculating.
 
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???? Isn't the whole of this discussion ignoring the transfer-of-credit equivalency problem of trying to match other curricula with Notre Dame's unusual [nearly lock-step] four-year target degrees, containing very specific course presentations ??? Or maybe the way I went through school, and thought still generally went on, is no longer true, and all sorts of equivalent transfer courses are substitutable. At a minimum, the "theology" courses would probably be sticking points to a smooth integration and I'll bet that there are many other courses that are considered by each department NOT to have equivalencies out there. That would put any "late" entering student with a bunch of "wasted" credits, and behind the pace for graduation. As I said, I don't know how it's done now.

It probably depends on what you study. Barr is only two years in, and if he were to transfer, then after sitting out a year he would presumably play two more years. It's hard for me to imagine that he wouldn't get credit for enough UCLA coursework to be able to graduate in three years and two summers. You could probably do that without any transfer credit, again depending on what you study. But I'm not too plugged into ND admissions, and I guess as I sit here I can't think of anyone who transferred into ND after two years elsewhere anywhere but Holy Cross, although I knew many people who transferred in after one year at other schools. Maybe some current ND students have more insight?

This is an interesting hypothetical discussion but it remains strictly hypothetical, right? We still have no idea if the Barr rumors have any legs.

OMM & MC:

I was talking about this with someone whose career has eerie similarities to yours; ND grad; PhD; taught/teaching at a MAC school; etc.

In addition to MC's point, it seems to me that he said that football players get a summer orientation semester in June and then graduate in 3 1/2 years, (so that would be on average after the actual first semester of their senior year. This would further compress the time needed to complete a lot of coursework.
 

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What would Barr play for us though? Wasn't he like an H back at UCLA? Obviously we don't use fullbacks, and he doesn't fit our RB profile ... I guess he'd be a tight end for us? Or linebacker?

EDIT: I just remembered Martin's comments about using more two back sets ... maybe we do want a fullback?

Im ok with a freaking huge RB, ala Brandon Jacobs!!
 
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Courtesy of phgreek:

Did some browsing...thought I'd share...

The only thing I found was an Irish Alum who is a writer for Onefoot down sent a tweet to @NDRivals asking if the rumor was true....he sent it around 8 PM last night, so the Rumor could have been, well our discussion on IE.

I also found that AB is being moved to OLB for the spring at UCLA...old news, but might explain motivation.

Finally, on other boards there was chatter he was the guy back when we got Carlisle...but nothing newer on the topic.

the earliest reference I can find to any transfer talk for AB was back in the season when he got hurt...one of the blog writers for one of the UCLA rags was commenting that he looked like a guy who was sad and ready to transfer...completely off the wall, but likely where all the speculation started.

So far I'm leaning to BS until someone in the know gives us more meat...


(His normal research charge is 400 vbucks per hour per person.)
 

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Courtesy of phgreek:




(His normal research charge is 400 vbucks per hour per person.)

400...hell thats measly lawyer money...:)

...BTW not challenging those who may really know something...if its real, it hasn't left any bread crumbs I can find...

Edit: there was some activity on the subject other boards yesterday...but nobody knows anything.
 
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I hope it's real ... the more I think about it the more I think that a big back like Barr would be great to go with Carlisle and some of our speedy guys ... but this shows all the signs of being a pure message board rumor.

FYI, regarding the issue of transfers generally, Lou Somogyi of 247 is doing an article tomorrow on ND's increased willingness to accept transfers. His two-sentence preview led me to believe that basically, if you have the academic credentials, ND has no objection, which is a departure from their historical practice.
 

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I hope it's real ... the more I think about it the more I think that a big back like Barr would be great to go with Carlisle and some of our speedy guys ... but this shows all the signs of being a pure message board rumor.

FYI, regarding the issue of transfers generally, Lou Somogyi of 247 is doing an article tomorrow on ND's increased willingness to accept transfers. His two-sentence preview led me to believe that basically, if you have the academic credentials, ND has no objection, which is a departure from their historical practice.

WOW...thats pretty encouraging...I never had first hand knowledge of the rules implicit and explicit, but it always seemed a tall order...this sounds really good.
 

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His two-sentence preview led me to believe that basically, if you have the academic credentials, ND has no objection, which is a departure from their historical practice.

That is the approach the basketball program has taken for some time now, so it makes sense.

I'd suspect it helps if the university has some familiarity with you beforehand (i.e. if you got far enough down the road as a recruit to have been offered/visited, etc.) That would have been the case with Prestwood and Carlisle, and with Barr. I seem to remember the absence of familiarity being a bit of an issue with Armond Armstead, no?

But, yeah, I don't think a few transfers, within reason, are a bad idea. But I also think Kelly is a believer that the system in most cases is bigger than the individual, and it takes time for a player to learn the system and maximize his talent. So I don't think we'll be taking a ton of transfers, nor should we.
 

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I sat in the stands at WMU for years watching basketball transfers come in for "quick fixes". If "normal" transfers [circa two years left], those guys better be able to contribute immediately in major ways. Frankly this is WAY easier in basketball than football. That UNC [?] basketball player who 5th-yeared at Syracuse and started at QB and played astonishingly well [given the circumstances], was a real anomaly to my eye.

Prestwood is a really odd case, and ideal --- four full years of eligibility. Carlisle is about the edge of a desirable situation --- big talent and three years of eligibility. Hansborough was nice in BBall --- again an easier adjustment. A monster D-Line player that you could put in there to raise havoc [like elder Armstead], well probably you could get away with that if you had scholarship room anyway. But two years or less in Kelly's offense? I don't know. So, I doubt that this is any sort of a "Wave" of the future.... maybe an occasional trickle.
 
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I sat in the stands at WMU for years watching basketball transfers come in for "quick fixes". If "normal" transfers [circa two years left], those guys better be able to contribute immediately in major ways. Frankly this is WAY easier in basketball than football. That UNC [?] basketball player who 5th-yeared at Syracuse and started at QB and played astonishingly well [given the circumstances], was a real anomaly to my eye.

Prestwood is a really odd case, and ideal --- four full years of eligibility. Carlisle is about the edge of a desirable situation --- big talent and three years of eligibility. Hansborough was nice in BBall --- again an easier adjustment. A monster D-Line player that you could put in there to raise havoc [like elder Armstead], well probably you could get away with that if you had scholarship room anyway. But two years or less in Kelly's offense? I don't know. So, I doubt that this is any sort of a "Wave" of the future.... maybe an occasional trickle.

Greg Paulus, Duke PG who was also recruited to play QB at several D1 programs, one of which was ND.
 
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Great get guys! And the kid at Wis from NCState this year, and of course Dayne next year!
 

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Greg Paulus, Duke PG who was also recruited to play QB at several D1 programs, one of which was ND.

Bit of an understatement there. Paulus was the Gatorade National Football Player of the Year. Dude was absurdly talented, but clearly an unusual situation
 

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Thanks guys for filling in an old man's wavering memories. Yes, Paulus was astoundingly good, but Wow, to step into a college level system cold and run it pretty expertly was a tale for the ages. At least Wilson and Dayne have/had been playing the same sport and position. I doubt I'll see another Paulus in my small remaining lifetime.
 
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Thanks guys for filling in an old man's wavering memories. Yes, Paulus was astoundingly good, but Wow, to step into a college level system cold and run it pretty expertly was a tale for the ages. At least Wilson and Dayne have/had been playing the same sport and position. I doubt I'll see another Paulus in my small remaining lifetime.

Even though they only went 4-8, it's Syracuse and they were terrible then. Since they went 10-3 in 2001 they had records of 4-8, 6-6, 6-6, 1-10, 4-8, 2-10, and 3-9 before he came around.
 

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Didn't Paulus turn down a ND football scholarship (and others) to play bball at Duke? I may be wrong....

He was a great QB prospect coming out of high school.
 

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Yes you are correct about Paulus. Was basketball and football national player of the year his senior season I believe.
 
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