NSD: Pitty party for emotional fans

[irishpat183]

You can keep acting like a spoiled child, it's your right. Just as it's mine to call you out for being the entitled poser you are. Carry on, but I can comment just like you. See, you think you're entitled to post what you want without my opinion offending your delicate sensibilities. That's not the case. I get to "vent" about the quality of poster, just like you get to "vent" about today.

And you are more than free to try and offend me. I'll stick to the dumpster fire of a job that Kelly and his crew did today.

And I bet you're a Tommy Rees fan, too......

 

[ohara831]

FSU. Damnit!

 

[irishff1014]

Said he wanted to better himself as as person thats why he Chose FSU HAHAHAHA.

 

[irishpat183]

The cherry on top.....

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Good time to start drinking and laughing

 

[Kak7304]

Said he wanted to better himself as as person thats why he Chose FSU HAHAHAHA.

The decommits hurt, but their reasons for picking other places today leave me scratching my head.

 

[IrishInFl]

I'll find out why he really chose FSU tonight.

 

[ab2cmiller]

The decommits hurt, but their reasons for picking other places today leave me scratching my head.

Because the reason for the decommit is usually based on emotion, and then the recruit tries to justify it with a logical explanation. Unfortunately many times there is no logical explanation.

 

[koonja]

Nothing more annoying that the argument "I never question the staff and no matter who we sign our class is great and I won't get upset over huge losses so I'm a better fan than you".


Juuuust saying.

 

[Kak7304]

Said he wanted to better himself as as person thats why he Chose FSU HAHAHAHA.

This is like choosing ND because you like the weather.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Really dense insanity manifesting here. Simple-minded comments about the complexities of recruiting as if someone can force decisions upon people. Four decommits over the season: one probably couldn't get it, one followed position coach to OSU, one followed good friend/coach to Houston, one seems to want to be an olympic track star. None mind-bendingly unimaginable. Took chance on two Armsteads [who wouldn't have?]. etc etc etc.... Why the heated screaming of intolerance??

What actually is happening with our team? I wrote down the position players just now. I was easily able to list THREE DEEP excellent athletes for this coming year at every position but O-line, which might be one or two players short [depending upon Golic]. THREE DEEP. Without thinking about what we do for next year's class.

Let's say I started a team with [picking among many gems] Kiel/Golson at QB, Wood/Mahone at RB, Eifert/Koyack at TE, Martin/ Martin, Watt/Hanratty, Cave/Hegarty, Lombard/Stanley, Prestwood/Nichols in the O-Line, Toma/Russell at slot, Daniels/Ferguson, Jones/Brown at WRs..... a real bunch of chumps, eh? Of course Kelly recruited none of those, did he?

Hmmm... Lynch/ Hounshell, Tuitt/ KLM at DE, Nix/Day at NT, Te'o, Niklas, Shembo, Councell, Williams, Grace, Fox, Moore across the LBs, Shepard/ Prosise, Brown/ Atkinson, Slaughter/ Badger, Motta/ Collinsworth across the D-Backfield --- and Baratti, Wood, Jackson, Hardy.... and Spond, Rabasa, Okwara, Calabreese ... and Jones, Springmann, Schwenke. What a pathetic roster!!! "Extra O-Guys" like Riddick, GAIII, McDaniel, Welch, Harrell, Hendrix --- some of my choices were arbitrary because of the wealth.

What-in-the-He!l do people want? If people don't realize that this roster is loaded with talent, why do they watch football? They can't understand what they're watching. Should Coach have shot high or not? You can't blame him for not loading the rosters with five-stars if you also criticize him for leaving spots open for them. If those high dice roll gambles whiffed, well we've still got that loaded roster above. What can anyone really claim that they know for sure we've lost?

All this is sparked by Deontay. To that "problem", I have four words: "Chris Brown Davaris Daniels".

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

I'll find out why he really chose FSU tonight.

Need me to come with you? It's only a two hour drive for me. I can be ready to punch a few fools.

 

[koonja]

Our staff obviously knows how important recruiting is and puts in the effort with top talent. You can only do so much though, and until you become a 'winning program' (And don't tell me how good we were 20 years ago, nobody cares) you won't recruit well. Kids want to win.

Once our staff enters the BCS, we will see our recruiting pick up. Not the staffs fault. If you want to knock the staff for player development, coaching, etc, fine. But their recruiting efforts are at/near the top.

 

[GreatGolson]

Kelly took 2 unranked classes to bcs bowls in their respective senior years, i have faith considering espn has us at #9 today

 

[FrankMA]

Once our staff enters the BCS, we will see our recruiting pick up. Not the staffs fault. If you want to knock the staff for player development, coaching, etc, fine. But their recruiting efforts are at/near the top.

But, if the staff does not recruit well year after year, ND will never get into the BCS. It is a catch 22 situation. I guess I am spoiled from the days of Lou and before, when ND had to top 5 recruiting classes on a consistent basis.

 

[IrishInFl]

Need me to come with you? It's only a two hour drive for me. I can be ready to punch a few fools.

You should. The bar is having an awesome special tonight. 10 wings, fries, and a domestic pitcher for $10. The pitcher alone is usually $7.50.

 

[koonja]

Kelly took 2 unranked classes to bcs bowls in their respective senior years, i have faith considering espn has us at #9 today

They had us at #9 before DGB signed with Houston. Safe to say we're no longer #9. Hopefully we'll still have a top-20 class by days end. A lot of teams are getting LOIs and moving up and we only took a step backwards.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

You should. The bar is having an awesome special tonight. 10 wings, fries, and a domestic pitcher for $10. The pitcher alone is usually $7.50.

I'd pay the 10.00 just to intimidate Jimbo's legion.

 

[IrishInFl]

I'd pay the 10.00 just to intimidate Jimbo's legion.

For all I know, Jimbo may come too.

 

[OCIrish]

Not knocking their recruiting efforts, as I know they work their asses off, however, I do question Kellys staff as they have it now....do any of you wonder if Chuck Martin being named OC had anything to do with Tays last minute decision?? From my understanding, he wants to run more using more 2 TE sets. May, or may not of had an effect, just throwing it out there. We all know Houston throws at will, its a WR's dream to be able to catch 15 passes a game against lackluster defenses.

 

[phgreek]

Love the kids we got...wish we could have gotten more...

to those who chose to go elsewhere...good luck...

 

[DeSero]

OMM, thank you. With your post I am going to take my leave from browsing the boards, relax, and get geared up for the spring game chatter.

What happened, happened. It's done. I suggest most of you who are screaming won't be satisfied until a NC is brought back to ND, and I cannot fault you for that. However, NCs don't happen over night. If we get our QB situation figured out, who knows how high this team's ceiling can be.

Go Irish!

 

[jakerbluegold]

Really dense insanity manifesting here. Simple-minded comments about the complexities of recruiting as if someone can force decisions upon people. Four decommits over the season: one probably couldn't get it, one followed position coach to OSU, one followed good friend/coach to Houston, one seems to want to be an olympic track star. None mind-bendingly unimaginable. Took chance on two Armsteads [who wouldn't have?]. etc etc etc.... Why the heated screaming of intolerance??

What actually is happening with our team? I wrote down the position players just now. I was easily able to list THREE DEEP excellent athletes for this coming year at every position but O-line, which might be one or two players short [depending upon Golic]. THREE DEEP. Without thinking about what we do for next year's class.

Let's say I started a team with [picking among many gems] Kiel/Golson at QB, Wood/Mahone at RB, Eifert/Koyack at TE, Martin/ Martin, Watt/Hanratty, Cave/Hegarty, Lombard/Stanley, Prestwood/Nichols in the O-Line, Toma/Russell at slot, Daniels/Ferguson, Jones/Brown at WRs..... a real bunch of chumps, eh? Of course Kelly recruited none of those, did he?

Hmmm... Lynch/ Hounshell, Tuitt/ KLM at DE, Nix/Day at NT, Te'o, Niklas, Shembo, Councell, Williams, Grace, Fox, Moore across the LBs, Shepard/ Prosise, Brown/ Atkinson, Slaughter/ Badger, Motta/ Collinsworth across the D-Backfield --- and Baratti, Wood, Jackson, Hardy.... and Spond, Rabasa, Okwara, Calabreese ... and Jones, Springmann, Schwenke. What a pathetic roster!!! "Extra O-Guys" like Riddick, GAIII, McDaniel, Welch, Harrell, Hendrix --- some of my choices were arbitrary because of the wealth.

What-in-the-He!l do people want? If people don't realize that this roster is loaded with talent, why do they watch football? They can't understand what they're watching. Should Coach have shot high or not? You can't blame him for not loading the rosters with five-stars if you also criticize him for leaving spots open for them. If those high dice roll gambles whiffed, well we've still got that loaded roster above. What can anyone really claim that they know for sure we've lost?

All this is sparked by Deontay. To that "problem", I have four words: "Chris Brown Davaris Daniels".

OMM, that's the best post of yours I've ever read. All this whining about losing Deontay is making me sick. Kelly's got plenty of weapons on this roster.

4 decommits? Oh well. The sun's going to come up tomorrow, and I'm still excited for this coming season.

I follow recruiting less and less every year because of some of the diatribes laced with hyperbole like the ones I've seen today.

 

[BobD]

Really dense insanity manifesting here. Simple-minded comments about the complexities of recruiting as if someone can force decisions upon people. Four decommits over the season: one probably couldn't get it, one followed position coach to OSU, one followed good friend/coach to Houston, one seems to want to be an olympic track star. None mind-bendingly unimaginable. Took chance on two Armsteads [who wouldn't have?]. etc etc etc.... Why the heated screaming of intolerance??

What actually is happening with our team? I wrote down the position players just now. I was easily able to list THREE DEEP excellent athletes for this coming year at every position but O-line, which might be one or two players short [depending upon Golic]. THREE DEEP. Without thinking about what we do for next year's class.

Let's say I started a team with [picking among many gems] Kiel/Golson at QB, Wood/Mahone at RB, Eifert/Koyack at TE, Martin/ Martin, Watt/Hanratty, Cave/Hegarty, Lombard/Stanley, Prestwood/Nichols in the O-Line, Toma/Russell at slot, Daniels/Ferguson, Jones/Brown at WRs..... a real bunch of chumps, eh? Of course Kelly recruited none of those, did he?

Hmmm... Lynch/ Hounshell, Tuitt/ KLM at DE, Nix/Day at NT, Te'o, Niklas, Shembo, Councell, Williams, Grace, Fox, Moore across the LBs, Shepard/ Prosise, Brown/ Atkinson, Slaughter/ Badger, Motta/ Collinsworth across the D-Backfield --- and Baratti, Wood, Jackson, Hardy.... and Spond, Rabasa, Okwara, Calabreese ... and Jones, Springmann, Schwenke. What a pathetic roster!!! "Extra O-Guys" like Riddick, GAIII, McDaniel, Welch, Harrell, Hendrix --- some of my choices were arbitrary because of the wealth.

What-in-the-He!l do people want? If people don't realize that this roster is loaded with talent, why do they watch football? They can't understand what they're watching. Should Coach have shot high or not? You can't blame him for not loading the rosters with five-stars if you also criticize him for leaving spots open for them. If those high dice roll gambles whiffed, well we've still got that loaded roster above. What can anyone really claim that they know for sure we've lost?

All this is sparked by Deontay. To that "problem", I have four words: "Chris Brown Davaris Daniels".

Awesome post OMM!! Thank you Sir.

 

[Emcee77]

Really dense insanity manifesting here. Simple-minded comments about the complexities of recruiting as if someone can force decisions upon people. Four decommits over the season: one probably couldn't get it, one followed position coach to OSU, one followed good friend/coach to Houston, one seems to want to be an olympic track star. None mind-bendingly unimaginable. Took chance on two Armsteads [who wouldn't have?]. etc etc etc.... Why the heated screaming of intolerance??

What actually is happening with our team? I wrote down the position players just now. I was easily able to list THREE DEEP excellent athletes for this coming year at every position but O-line, which might be one or two players short [depending upon Golic]. THREE DEEP. Without thinking about what we do for next year's class.

Let's say I started a team with [picking among many gems] Kiel/Golson at QB, Wood/Mahone at RB, Eifert/Koyack at TE, Martin/ Martin, Watt/Hanratty, Cave/Hegarty, Lombard/Stanley, Prestwood/Nichols in the O-Line, Toma/Russell at slot, Daniels/Ferguson, Jones/Brown at WRs..... a real bunch of chumps, eh? Of course Kelly recruited none of those, did he?

Hmmm... Lynch/ Hounshell, Tuitt/ KLM at DE, Nix/Day at NT, Te'o, Niklas, Shembo, Councell, Williams, Grace, Fox, Moore across the LBs, Shepard/ Prosise, Brown/ Atkinson, Slaughter/ Badger, Motta/ Collinsworth across the D-Backfield --- and Baratti, Wood, Jackson, Hardy.... and Spond, Rabasa, Okwara, Calabreese ... and Jones, Springmann, Schwenke. What a pathetic roster!!! "Extra O-Guys" like Riddick, GAIII, McDaniel, Welch, Harrell, Hendrix --- some of my choices were arbitrary because of the wealth.

What-in-the-He!l do people want? If people don't realize that this roster is loaded with talent, why do they watch football? They can't understand what they're watching. Should Coach have shot high or not? You can't blame him for not loading the rosters with five-stars if you also criticize him for leaving spots open for them. If those high dice roll gambles whiffed, well we've still got that loaded roster above. What can anyone really claim that they know for sure we've lost?

All this is sparked by Deontay. To that "problem", I have four words: "Chris Brown Davaris Daniels".

GREAT stuff. I was angry this morning too, but after taking a break to actually do some work today I feel much better now because I realized that this is still a great class. It's a little small, but the reality is that with 5th years this year and next our overall depth is fine and will be as long as we bring in a big class next year or relatively big classes the next two. The staff is going to get out there and coach and recruit hard, the players are going to play great and our program will be in good shape.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Really dense insanity manifesting here. Simple-minded comments about the complexities of recruiting as if someone can force decisions upon people. Four decommits over the season: one probably couldn't get it, one followed position coach to OSU, one followed good friend/coach to Houston, one seems to want to be an olympic track star. None mind-bendingly unimaginable. Took chance on two Armsteads [who wouldn't have?]. etc etc etc.... Why the heated screaming of intolerance??

What actually is happening with our team? I wrote down the position players just now. I was easily able to list THREE DEEP excellent athletes for this coming year at every position but O-line, which might be one or two players short [depending upon Golic]. THREE DEEP. Without thinking about what we do for next year's class.

Let's say I started a team with [picking among many gems] Kiel/Golson at QB, Wood/Mahone at RB, Eifert/Koyack at TE, Martin/ Martin, Watt/Hanratty, Cave/Hegarty, Lombard/Stanley, Prestwood/Nichols in the O-Line, Toma/Russell at slot, Daniels/Ferguson, Jones/Brown at WRs..... a real bunch of chumps, eh? Of course Kelly recruited none of those, did he?

Hmmm... Lynch/ Hounshell, Tuitt/ KLM at DE, Nix/Day at NT, Te'o, Niklas, Shembo, Councell, Williams, Grace, Fox, Moore across the LBs, Shepard/ Prosise, Brown/ Atkinson, Slaughter/ Badger, Motta/ Collinsworth across the D-Backfield --- and Baratti, Wood, Jackson, Hardy.... and Spond, Rabasa, Okwara, Calabreese ... and Jones, Springmann, Schwenke. What a pathetic roster!!! "Extra O-Guys" like Riddick, GAIII, McDaniel, Welch, Harrell, Hendrix --- some of my choices were arbitrary because of the wealth.

What-in-the-He!l do people want? If people don't realize that this roster is loaded with talent, why do they watch football? They can't understand what they're watching. Should Coach have shot high or not? You can't blame him for not loading the rosters with five-stars if you also criticize him for leaving spots open for them. If those high dice roll gambles whiffed, well we've still got that loaded roster above. What can anyone really claim that they know for sure we've lost?

All this is sparked by Deontay. To that "problem", I have four words: "Chris Brown Davaris Daniels".

As always, the sound voice of reason and a most excellent post. Thank you for this Mike, we all needed it. Couldn't agree more with everything you said...wish all fans were as you!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I laughed at "pitty".

 

[jmurphy75]

Really dense insanity manifesting here. Simple-minded comments about the complexities of recruiting as if someone can force decisions upon people. Four decommits over the season: one probably couldn't get it, one followed position coach to OSU, one followed good friend/coach to Houston, one seems to want to be an olympic track star. None mind-bendingly unimaginable. Took chance on two Armsteads [who wouldn't have?]. etc etc etc.... Why the heated screaming of intolerance??

What actually is happening with our team? I wrote down the position players just now. I was easily able to list THREE DEEP excellent athletes for this coming year at every position but O-line, which might be one or two players short [depending upon Golic]. THREE DEEP. Without thinking about what we do for next year's class.

Let's say I started a team with [picking among many gems] Kiel/Golson at QB, Wood/Mahone at RB, Eifert/Koyack at TE, Martin/ Martin, Watt/Hanratty, Cave/Hegarty, Lombard/Stanley, Prestwood/Nichols in the O-Line, Toma/Russell at slot, Daniels/Ferguson, Jones/Brown at WRs..... a real bunch of chumps, eh? Of course Kelly recruited none of those, did he?

Hmmm... Lynch/ Hounshell, Tuitt/ KLM at DE, Nix/Day at NT, Te'o, Niklas, Shembo, Councell, Williams, Grace, Fox, Moore across the LBs, Shepard/ Prosise, Brown/ Atkinson, Slaughter/ Badger, Motta/ Collinsworth across the D-Backfield --- and Baratti, Wood, Jackson, Hardy.... and Spond, Rabasa, Okwara, Calabreese ... and Jones, Springmann, Schwenke. What a pathetic roster!!! "Extra O-Guys" like Riddick, GAIII, McDaniel, Welch, Harrell, Hendrix --- some of my choices were arbitrary because of the wealth.

What-in-the-He!l do people want? If people don't realize that this roster is loaded with talent, why do they watch football? They can't understand what they're watching. Should Coach have shot high or not? You can't blame him for not loading the rosters with five-stars if you also criticize him for leaving spots open for them. If those high dice roll gambles whiffed, well we've still got that loaded roster above. What can anyone really claim that they know for sure we've lost?

All this is sparked by Deontay. To that "problem", I have four words: "Chris Brown Davaris Daniels".

Thanks for the dose of sanity

 

[BUDDY WHITTAKER]

Great post and coud not agree with you more. Cut down on the turnovers (I know there will be some but dang we had way too many) and get the right players on the field and this team can be good. 2013 will be our year. 2012 Orange Bowl sounds good. !!!! GO IRISH !!

 

[palinurus]

I think the day seems far worse than it was because of the timing, left at the altar feeling. Taken on its own, the class is actually pretty darn good. Sure the class rank dropped, but it's still pretty good, and actually better than it appears because it was hurt by a couple of the guys having been injured in their senior years, plus Gunner was inexplicably dropped once he got to South Bend.

Also, before anyone leaps from the nearest ledge, consider that Kelly's system, more than others, revolves around the system and not necessarily stars. If he could win big at Cincy (albeit against lesser competition), he can win at ND. The building blocks are falling in place.

Having said that, I wouldn't be too delusional about how good this next team will be. There is a ton of youth and inexperience, esp. where it can kill you (the secondary). I don't know how this team matches up against top five or top ten teams. I'm guessing 2013 is a much better year. But it's just silly to act like everything's great as it is and we don't really need Greenberry, Decker and Darby.

I just hope they improve as the year spins out, we pull a couple of big upsets, and that convinces recruits that there really is a turnaround going on with a winning system put in place -- that will help fill out the class next year. I can see that happening. A team can ride a great, deep defensive line; just look at the Giants.