Deontay to Houston Discussion

[SaltyND24]

Rios, Westerkamp, McNamara, Ekanem, and Andrades come to mind...they all had strong initial and continuing interest but were told (in so many words) that we were waiting on others and that limited class size was a potential problem. Now we have none of them.

The minute a recruit is looking around, I think we should be signing up the next.

I see what you're getting at but I have a few responses:

1) Rios committed before Darby de-committed and we were still trying to make moves with Poole and I believe there was talk about Howard...So do we take Rios as soon as he shows interest and ultimately kill possibly going after two "higher" ranked prospects

2) With Westerkamp, we pursued him and he eventually chose to honor his committment to Nebraska...Also we had Greenberry, Brown, Ferguson, Russell and were still going after agholor and neal...

3)McNamara wasn't a high priority since Eifert decided to come back...we also have Koyack and will pursue a class of '13 TE Top Prospect in Adam Brennamen

4) Don't understand the Ekanem situation, I'll give you that one

5) For the Andrades situation, it's similar to the Westerkamp situation...

There is much that can be said about our coaching staff, I get that...but also, as a fans...we have to figure out what it is we want...Do we go ahead to grab up (lesser, yet solid) recruits early at the expense of being in play for elite prospects or do we leave ourselves open? I just feel that if we let some of these guys commit and as a result weren't in play with the Neal's and Armstead's of the world that there would be a lot of complaints as well...Idk, color me confused....

 

[Irishnuke]

All those guys are from last year except Amir. Everybody knows or should know that you cannot compete for BCS championships without having top recruiting classwes nearly every year. We have to compete against teams like USC, OKlahoma, Michigan, and Stanford-all of whom had a better recruiting class than ND.

All of them are from last year including Amir. Didn't he transfer because his family moved to Indiana? It's not like BK was actively recruiting him while he was at SC.

 

[Grahambo]

Agholor was USC/UF from the beginning.

Poole was all UF

Neal is still a possibility

Darby, well, who really knows?

Decker was replaced with Prestwood and next year is already
shaping into an OL type class

Rios was slow played for a reason. Gambled and lost. Not a big deal though because they thought they could flip Poole. Can't fault
them for trying.

Arik was only coming if Armond was cleared and doesn't seem like any doctor is clearing Armond.

Carlisle transfered in.

Prestwood is eligible this season.

Arguably the top QB in this cycle in Gunner Kiel who has everything BK's system needs.

Arguably a Top 3 CB in the country.

Shumate who is as solid a safety as there is.

Turner/Prosise are solid safeties as well.

Justin Ferguson and Chris Brown are two vastly underrated WRs.

Jarron Jones/Sheldon Day/Ronnie Stanley..the Big Uglies..enough said

Kei Russel, a versatile back.

William Mahone - a better Jonas Gray

DGB was a complete surprise and it's upsetting but he is not going to make or break this class nor team.

I still love this class.

 

[irishandy]

Good luck Deontay in the future at the University of Houston, in the end I hope you feel that you made the right decision. Whether you ended up Irish, as a Cougar, or wherever else you will be a playmaker.

 

[Grahambo]

Irish Sports Daily @ISDUpdate

During today's PC Kelly said he has told the entire freshmen class to be ready to compete right away

 

[Kak7304]

All those guys are from last year except Amir. Everybody knows or should know that you cannot compete for BCS championships without having top recruiting classwes nearly every year. We have to compete against teams like USC, OKlahoma, Michigan, and Stanford-all of whom had a better recruiting class than ND.

We still brought in a wealth of talent with Kiel, Stanley, Jarron, Russell, Mahone, Tee, and a few other guys including some lower rated guys with incredible athleticism. This class was going to be a little smaller this year with a very small class next year. Now, we have a small class next year and will just try to take more next year with more flexibility to take top recruits and a few more projects. One year of recruiting doesn't make or break a program; it's 2-3 in a row that should be evaluated together. Kelly has been building depth and bringing in talent at each position and we're no longer in the Weis era where we need frosh to come in and start immediately. Yes, things did not go our way and we missed on a few big time guys, but it's not the end of the world.

 

[Kanye West]

We still brought in a wealth of talent with Kiel, Stanley, Jarron, Russell, Mahone, Tee, and a few other guys including some lower rated guys with incredible athleticism. This class was going to be a little smaller this year with a very small class next year. Now, we have a small class next year and will just try to take more next year with more flexibility to take top recruits and a few more projects. One year of recruiting doesn't make or break a program; it's 2-3 in a row that should be evaluated together. Kelly has been building depth and bringing in talent at each position and we're no longer in the Weis era where we need frosh to come in and start immediately. Yes, things did not go our way and we missed on a few big time guys, but it's not the end of the world.

We went from 18 to 24. In a stacked Midwest with great prospects. So We'll be fine.

 

[SoDakDomer]

Yesterday when our class was 17 kids it was a popular feeling around here that it was a pretty darn good class for the limited amount of spots availabe. Yes it sucks losing a 5 star kid on NSD, but it doesn't make me feel any different about the other 16 kids we have signed. I prefer quality over quantity and am not just in favor of picking up 3 stars just to provide depth. Isn't that one of the great benefits of being able to keep 5th years around? Most 5th years are solid players that can create depth that you only have to keep around for one more year and then the scholarships is available next year to go after a 4 star or 5 star. If we just pick up 3 star players for depth and they don't pan out we are stuck with that scholarship being used up for 4 years. Just my opinion.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I don't understand the negative response to that quote by Kelly. ND won't be playing against DGB nor DB any time in the next 4 years.

I mean DGB or DG...my brain thought it, but my fingers didn't get the message

It was definitely taken out of context but the media is selling it as BK taking a shot at DG. Obviously it is not what he meant but you know how the media rolls. My thing is that he just should have chose his words more carefully.

I can understand why he was pissed though:

@ISDUpdate: Kelly said they found out today from Washington Union HC Jeff Freitas that Greenberry had signed with Houston” no call from DG.

 

[Grahambo]

It was definitely taken out of context but the media is selling it as BK taking a shot at DG. Obviously it is not what he meant but you know how the media rolls. My thing is that he just should have chose his words more carefully.

I can understand why he was pissed though:

@ISDUpdate: Kelly said they found out today from Washington Union HC Jeff Freitas that Greenberry had signed with Houston” no call from DG.

Irish Sports Daily @ISDUpdate

Kelly said ND will look for impact players in 2013 class. Big skill will be an emphasis

 

[SaltyND24]

It was definitely taken out of context but the media is selling it as BK taking a shot at DG. Obviously it is not what he meant but you know how the media rolls. My thing is that he just should have chose his words more carefully.

I can understand why he was pissed though:

@ISDUpdate: Kelly said they found out today from Washington Union HC Jeff Freitas that Greenberry had signed with Houston” no call from DG.

That's foul...

 

[ndgoldendomer]

The media is going to say and do what the want. They don't try to get the story right. They just want the shock factor. BK and Staff probably logged a lot of miles and hours working on this kid and he turned around and screwed them on NSD. I found Kelly to be a bit restrained. He could have said a hell of a lot worse and IMO would have been justified. Houston. Really.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

No one is saying this is Kelly's fault.

Not true. Go back a few pages.

 

[Kanye West]

I have lost all respect for Greenberry. Atleast man up.

 

[FrankMA]

I have lost all respect for Greenberry. Atleast man up.

Exactly. Why are people wishing him well? He does not deserve any good wishes for what he did.

 

[Kak7304]

Agholor was USC/UF from the beginning.

Poole was all UF

Neal is still a possibility

Darby, well, who really knows?

Decker was replaced with Prestwood and next year is already
shaping into an OL type class

Rios was slow played for a reason. Gambled and lost. Not a big deal though because they thought they could flip Poole. Can't fault
them for trying.

Arik was only coming if Armond was cleared and doesn't seem like any doctor is clearing Armond.

Carlisle transfered in.

Prestwood is eligible this season.

Arguably the top QB in this cycle in Gunner Kiel who has everything BK's system needs.

Arguably a Top 3 CB in the country.

Shumate who is as solid a safety as there is.

Turner/Prosise are solid safeties as well.

Justin Ferguson and Chris Brown are two vastly underrated WRs.

Jarron Jones/Sheldon Day/Ronnie Stanley..the Big Uglies..enough said

Kei Russel, a versatile back.

William Mahone - a better Jonas Gray

DGB was a complete surprise and it's upsetting but he is not going to make or break this class nor team.

I still love this class.

Don't forget we were looking like a lock for Yuri Wright until his twitter problems.

 

[irishff1014]

Irish Sports Daily @ISDUpdate

Kelly said ND will look for impact players in 2013 class. Big skill will be an emphasis

Kelly better get these guys winning or 13 will be a repeat of 12.

 

[TerryTate]

Kelly better get these guys winning or 13 will be a repeat of 12.

The oracle has spoken

 

[NDinFL]

Well I just got home, and this really sucks....

 

[Bmac020211]

I see what you're getting at but I have a few responses:

1) Rios committed before Darby de-committed and we were still trying to make moves with Poole and I believe there was talk about Howard...So do we take Rios as soon as he shows interest and ultimately kill possibly going after two "higher" ranked prospects

2) With Westerkamp, we pursued him and he eventually chose to honor his committment to Nebraska...Also we had Greenberry, Brown, Ferguson, Russell and were still going after agholor and neal...

3)McNamara wasn't a high priority since Eifert decided to come back...we also have Koyack and will pursue a class of '13 TE Top Prospect in Adam Brennamen

4) Don't understand the Ekanem situation, I'll give you that one

5) For the Andrades situation, it's similar to the Westerkamp situation...

There is much that can be said about our coaching staff, I get that...but also, as a fans...we have to figure out what it is we want...Do we go ahead to grab up (lesser, yet solid) recruits early at the expense of being in play for elite prospects or do we leave ourselves open? I just feel that if we let some of these guys commit and as a result weren't in play with the Neal's and Armstead's of the world that there would be a lot of complaints as well...Idk, color me confused....

Their handling of Rios, Ekanem and Andrades frustrates me and I do think that we dropped the ball on those three, the others, ehh, don't really care. Trust me, I want to give this staff the benefit of the doubt but I do feel like they have made some crucial, yet correctable mistakes.

As a fan I do want the best guys and would never trade Lynch and Tuitt, but we have now seen that we can't pull the coup every cycle so a more conservative approach recruiting MAJOR postitons of need may be in order. I would rather have some three and four star corners/receivers that are firm than rely to heavily on a couple of five stars (that are looking around). I'm just concerned and frustrated with their approach...

 

[WaveDomer]

I do think it's lame that he dropped the bomb on NSD and Kelly didn't seem to get a call from him. However, people need to stop acting like not choosing ND has doomed this kid to obscurity. Have you taken a look at the New England Patriot's roster? Louisville, Kent State, Texas Tech... Where did Jerry Rice go again? Steve Largent? John Stallworth? Do I think ND is a better school than Houston? Yeah. But so what? It is what you make of it. If the kid has game in college he is going pro no matter where he signs.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Postponed my response to this thread for over an hour now in order to avoid a few week vacation:

This really stings, and I felt like a sucker-punch went through my intestines upon hearing the news. I understand ND just wasn't for him, but don't understand why.....nevermind. I'm about to smash my computer, and I'm at work. Hang in there gents, we'll make it.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I know it was just coach speak, but I'm still choking on the fact that Christian said, "[Deontay] recognized the value of a Houston degree" as a reason for his decommit.

Houston's AA GSR (46%), AA 30y ROI ($417,956), and Racial GSR Disparity (33%) are among the worst in the BCS. ND offered Deontay ~4 times the degree value.

This makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Grahambo]

I know it was just coach speak, but I'm still choking on the fact that Christian said, "[Deontay] recognized the value of a Houston degree" as a reason for his decommit.

Houston's AA GSR (46%), AA 30y ROI ($417,956), and Racial GSR Disparity (33%) are among the worst in the BCS. ND offered Deontay ~4 times the degree value.

This makes absolutely no sense.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, because the value of a ND degree means nothing. SMH at some people.

 

[Grahambo]

Robby Toma @RobJob293

If they don't wanna be here..let em go!! Welcome to all the signees!..ppl gonna talk, in the end all we got is eachother! Let's do this #ND

 

[gkIrish]

I don't know who to blame.

What I do know is that if you don't "love" a school that you have been committed to for months along with your cousin/best friend, how do you know that you will "love" Houston considering you have spent about a week considering it seriously. I would have been fine with him saying I don't feel comfortable signing with anyone today because I don't "love" ND. But going to Houston on a whim is foolish and makes little sense otherwise.

I find it difficult to wish him well after what he did to Tee.

 

[Ironman8]

I'm mad, but it would be very hypocritical to condemn Deontay for a similar act as our celebrated QB. BK will have to win with what we have.

Just wish we had added 1 more WR, CB and OL to this class.

 

[DillonHall]

idiot

 

[Irish Fam]

I don't know who to blame.

What I do know is that if you don't "love" a school that you have been committed to for months along with your cousin/best friend, how do you know that you will "love" Houston considering you have spent about a week considering it seriously. I would have been fine with him saying I don't feel comfortable signing with anyone today because I don't "love" ND. But going to Houston on a whim is foolish and makes little sense otherwise.

I find it difficult to wish him well after what he did to Tee.

This.

 

[Grahambo]

I'm mad, but it would be very hypocritical to condemn Deontay for a similar act as our celebrated QB. BK will have to win with what we have.

Just wish we had added 1 more WR, CB and OL to this class.

I get what you are saying but Kiel went from Indiana to LSU to ND.

Deontay went from ND to Houston.

My point, probably dumb, is I doubt this type of reaction if he went to an OSU, USC, Stanford, Alabama type school but went to Houston. I mean, even Tee Shep's didn't was just as confused.