Let us have a discussion on Urban:

[North Buffalo Irish]

Discuss.

 

[Buster Bluth]

The BS comes in when he starts talking about caring about the kid past football. He is interested in winning, pure and simple. The question for parents of elite kids is do you trust your kid to an opportunist? I think pride makes a lot of these parents more susceptible than they would otherwise be.

What is this based on?

 

[RDU Irish]

Um, "reportedly is No. 1 among NCAA schools in graduation success rate among its football players"

Hey, lazy arse reporter, besides being widely known, that is an easy one to confirm.

 

[NDBoiler]

Originally Posted by Domina Nostra
The BS comes in when he starts talking about caring about the kid past football. He is interested in winning, pure and simple. The question for parents of elite kids is do you trust your kid to an opportunist? I think pride makes a lot of these parents more susceptible than they would otherwise be.

What is this based on?

Buster - I am not sure what definition of "opportunist" is more perfectly exemplified by Meyer's "retirement" from Florida and subsquent tripping-over-himself to take the OSU job. If it quacks like a duck...

 

[IrishLax]

What is this based on?

How about when he told Jevean Snead that Tim Tebow was being recruited as a LB? I mean seriously there are about 100 different documented examples out there of Urban Meyer lieing strait to kids faces.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

The reason Stefon Diggs has such high interest in OSU is because they have told him he will be their Percy Harvin if he commits to them.

Sound familiar?

 

[t3hjc]

What is this based on?

Go away.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Go away.

no kidding...respect is one thing, you can't love both.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Buster - I am not sure what definition of "opportunist" is more perfectly exemplified by Meyer's "retirement" from Florida and subsquent tripping-over-himself to take the OSU job. If it quacks like a duck...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't be retire before the Ohio State job opened up? I think if any of us left a big time job to reassess out personal lives (i.e. save our marriage, keep our family, and adopt a healthier lifestyle)....and then the job you have been dreaming about having since you were a child opens up--a once-in-a-decade opportunity, and you don't jump on it? Can you honestly tell me you don't do that?

It was said that Urban Meyer will only care about you for football and not afterword and quite frankly I think that insinuation is pathetic.

How about when he told Jevean Snead that Tim Tebow was being recruited as a LB? I mean seriously there are about 100 different documented examples out there of Urban Meyer lieing strait to kids faces.

100? Try getting to fifty.

Jevan Snead also didn't make it to Florida, so if i were a defense attorney I would claim that we never found out if Tebow would have played LB in the event that Snead became a Gator. But I'm no fool and I agree that he was more than likely trying to pull a fast one here...big deal?

The reason Stefon Diggs has such high interest in OSU is because they have told him he will be their Percy Harvin if he commits to them.

Sound familiar?

I was in those boat until last night when it dawned on me that Ohio State doesn't have any Percy-like players committed. So if he's telling guys "you'd be used like I used Percy Harvin in this offense," and none of those guys commit, why shouldn't he keep saying that? The position remains unfilled.

 

[koonja]

The reason Stefon Diggs has such high interest in OSU is because they have told him he will be their Percy Harvin if he commits to them.

Sound familiar?

Not taking away from Urban being a slime ball, but this example doesn't really work. Both Agholor and DGB were told to watch Floyd because ND wants them to take his place in the offense.

 

[Rack Em]

....and then the job you have been dreaming about having since you were a child opens up--a once-in-a-decade opportunity, and you don't jump on it?

Notre Dame was his dream job when he was at Utah....

 

[Buster Bluth]

Go away.

Smooth.

no kidding...respect is one thing, you can't love both.

I think I know a little bit more about who I support than you do. I hope Ohio State goes 0-12 this fall.

Simply because I am not joining the illogical witch hunt that we seem to be having on this board, doesn't mean I am a fan. The amount of evidence you guys are using for your attacks is shockingly slim, and I would defense anyone against untrue attacks. Try acting like men and not crazed fanatics foaming at the mouth to get a shot in.

 

[woolybug25]

Buster... no offense homie, but after these incidents, how can you respect Urban?

When Meyer recruited Justin Trattou he did so by the cover of night. Not that it's illegal, but he told Trattou not to tell anyone he was talking with Florida. Keep in mind that Trattou was committed to Notre Dame at the time.

Amongst other things, Coach Meyer talked to Trattou about how the 3-4 defense was not a good fit for him and his football future (read: NFL, which is garbage—the Cowboys, Patriots, and Chargers all use the 3-4). Former Gators assistant coach Greg Mattison's favorite topics about Notre Dame (with several recruits), despite his previous love for the school, included how the weather sucked and the social life suffered.

Case in point No. 2: Omar Hunter, same deal as before. Omar was snookered into lying to everyone from Notre Dame coaches and players to likely even his parents, especially his father, who wanted him at Notre Dame due to the academics. Hunter said that he was not talking to other schools, when in fact he was—Florida included—while being a Notre Dame commitment.

In the end, Hunter was a fraud himself, but he was not the one who was truly taken for a ride. Coach Mattison recruited Hunter. He had an ax to grind with Notre Dame after leaving South Bend on not so good terms, and he definitely took it to another level with Hunter.

Mattison, you see, had an assistant coaching job lined up with the Baltimore Ravens long before this past National Signing Day came around. So when Hunter switched his commitment to UF after initially deciding to attend Notre Dame, Mattison and Meyer did what came naturally. They lied to Hunter about the entire situation, telling Hunter that Mattison was not leaving Gainesville.

This was all done under Meyer, another former ND assistant.

 

[Irish8248]

Wow BB.. one thing to be objective but its another thing to be an apologist

 

[BeauBenken]

Wow BB.. one thing to be objective but its another thing to be an apologist

Just a note, a lot of people refer to me as BB or Beau. Buster is just Buster.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Just a note, a lot of people refer to me as BB or Beau. Buster is just Buster.

Don't worry bout' it kid we know who the real BB is.....

 

[greyhammer90]

But what I didn't want to have happen, and I made this clear to Jeremy (Florida AD), if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach? I don't want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we've built.

...yep

 

[woolybug25]

Don't worry bout' it kid we know who the real BB is.....

 

[Buster Bluth]

Buster... no offense homie, but after these incidents, how can you respect Urban?

Where did I say I respect him? I don't respect him as a man. I respect him as a coach, sure. I think he's one of the best in the country in terms of coaching.

I am well aware of the recruits he has stolen over the years from Notre Dame, and my smile when they lose games will be even greater as a result.

Facts are we have some guys on here saying crap like "without Tim Tebow is nothing, we all know that," or "he only cares about kids for football and not after," and making insinuations that he is Nick Saban-bad when it comes to oversigning despite not providing evidence for any, or many, instances during which he has cut players from his team who weren't in trouble with the law.

I don't have respect for people's arguments when they say Urban Meyer is a bad, or mediocre coach or that he doesn't care about his players. Do you people actually believe that? That would be sad.

Just provide some evidence, please. Urban Meyer has proven to me that he will do anything (legal) to sign a kid, even if it is perceived as unethical by opposing fanbases. My opinion on that: I am cognizant of the fact that college football is a Machiavellian world and we better up our game if we're going to beat him. Losers complain and do nothing (Weis), winners find a way to win recruiting battles without making excuses.

Don't worry bout' it kid we know who the real BB is.....

Then we have posts like this and other slight jabs. Real mature. I was the one leading the anti-Ohio State charge for months and everyone was patting me on the back. Now, that I insist we have some substance to our insults I am an apologist or in love with Urban Meyer?

Should I just grab a pitchfork and torch and join the riot? If we don't need any evidence to out claims..

Urban Meyer is a neo-Nazi pedophile.

Better now?

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

he cleared the air about that whole dream job thing at his OSU press conference. He said Florida was his dream job.

 

[Buster Bluth]

he cleared the air about that whole dream job thing at his OSU press conference. He said Florida was his dream job.

Don't kid yourself he has wanted to be the head coach at Ohio State since he was a boy. Anyone who puts in their due diligence knows that.

 

[woolybug25]

Facts are we have some guys on here saying crap like "without Tim Tebow is nothing, we all know that," or "he only cares about kids for football and not after," and making insinuations that he is Nick Saban-bad when it comes to oversigning despite not providing evidence for any, or many, instances during which he has cut players from his team who weren't in trouble with the law.

I don't have respect for people's arguments when they say Urban Meyer is a bad, or mediocre coach or that he doesn't care about his players. Do you people actually believe that? That would be sad.

Just provide some evidence, please.

Edwin Herbert was a JUCO transfer who played in 1 game in 2009 and has transferred to a division II school. Ironic.

Then there is Gary Brown. You can say that they "were in trouble with the law", but he was arrested 2 days AFTER signing day.

Gary Brown was recently arrested for slapping a woman at a party on campus and was dismissed shortly after; Edwin Herbert was a JUCO transfer who played in 1 game in 2009 and has transferred to a division II school. By Herbert transferring Florida avoids APR penalties, but given that Brown has not graduated, his departure could hurt Florida's APR score in the future.

The departure of these two players is timely to say the least as Florida was facing a numbers crunch (surprise, surprise) to stay within the 85 player limit. Damn it, either SEC coaches have the ability to see into the future or they just know its coming, attrition that is. And what a luxury it must be to be able to oversign ahead of time to account for the attrition they don't know about yet, such as Brown.

Here's the deal. Brown's arrest came after signing day, which means that Florida did not know Brown would be leaving due to his arrest when Florida finished its recruiting class and was two over the limit. Sound familiar? Saban did the same thing at Alabama when he oversigned by 10-11 and then had a string of off-season arrests which magically enabled him to stay under the 85 roster limit.

Plenty of good stuff here. Take a gander:

Urban Meyer « Oversigning.com

 

[NYMIKE6]

Then we have posts like this and other slight jabs. Real mature. I was the one leading the anti-Ohio State charge for months and everyone was patting me on the back. Now, that I insist we have some substance to our insults I am an apologist or in love with Urban Meyer?

Maybe I should just grab a pitchfork and torch and join the riot?

Urban Meyer is a neo-Nazi pedophile.

Happy?

Whoa there friend, that was no jab at you i was just picking on Beau.....
"Need to cool the jets a bit".....(in a mature voice)

 

[woolybug25]

Not to mention Buster. If you want proof, look at his current class for Christ's sakes.

 

[SJIrish]

You guys are obsessed with Meyer. Keep the topic on Neal. It's stupid to keep talking about this guy.

 

[IrishLax]

Jevan Snead also didn't make it to Florida, so if i were a defense attorney I would claim that we never found out if Tebow would have played LB in the event that Snead became a Gator. But I'm no fool and I agree that he was more than likely trying to pull a fast one here...big deal?

How is it NOT a big deal? He has a long documented history now of being a liar and a swindler. Coaches like Meyer, Kiffin, Mattison, Saban, etc. are who ruin college athletics. Absolutely ruin it. They are cancers on America's youth.

“I made this clear to Jeremy Foley (Florida Athletic Director), if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach? I don’t want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we’ve built.”

^man of high character.....

 

[Grahambo]

Davonte Neal asks, where's my thread?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Not to mention Buster. If you want proof, look at his current class for Christ's sakes.

This current class is almost an example of why people's accusations are wrong. People inside the program know kids are unhappy with their depth chart standing are are leaning towards leaving the program.

One of my friends from high school, whom I wrestled and threw shot/discus against and was in the same Boy Scout district, yadda yadda yadda, is on the team. But even he says it's no secret that people are unhappy that their world was turned upside down when Urban took over. A new sheriff is in town and the entitled players aren't fond of it.

Sure, one could say he is oversigning and will simply cut kids who want nothing more than to be a Buckeye. OR, you could say that the program has had a huge level of entitlement in it during the Tressel Era and that Meyer is absolutely stomping down on players' egos and lack of attention to detail.

I could give you several instances in which Urban Meyer has basically said that the attitude needs to change in the program. Just recently something so simple as winter conditioning went sour when Meyer was appalled at how out of shape the team was.

Players are unhappy. They will leave. Meyer is no fool, he realized it and is factoring in attrition. You will see OSU's fair share leave during spring because they simply don't have the intestinal fortitude or need Tressel there to pet their egos.

 

[Grahambo]

I feel like I'm talking to a wall. This is Davonte Neal's thread, take your beef about Urban Meyer to another thread or better yet, create one about it.

 

[Buster Bluth]

How is it NOT a big deal? He has a long documented history now of being a liar and a swindler. Coaches like Meyer, Kiffin, Mattison, Saban, etc. are who ruin college athletics. Absolutely ruin it. They are cancers on America's youth.


^man of high character.....

We have a thread dedicated to rap artists, if you want to talk about cancers to America's youth.

No, I don't think it's a big deal that Meyer told Snead that Tebow would play linebacker. I played telephone enough as a child to know that it's very possible that is not exactly what was said in context.