2012 QB Discussion - Who's the Starter?

[NDhoosier]

I wanna know how 5 people could have picked Tommy Rees... They must be Michigan fans or something...

 

[JeremyND07]

2) the questioning of kelly. if there's one thing that brian kelly has proven, it's that he knows how to evaluate, work with and develop quarterbacks. there is nothing he could have done this year to please everyone. he had 4 qb's, and none of them were great options. maybe he could have made some different decisions that would have worked out better for the team, maybe not. but despite everyone's extreme confidence in their own capacity to evaluate quarterbacks, i think i'll take kelly's evaluation over all of yours.

If Kelly was so good at evaluatinig QB why did we have a 3 QB rotation last year and now it looks like we will add a 4th these your possibly a 5th if Gunner has a good spring. How about evaluating talent enough to pick one QB to play the whole game and sticking with him? How about not putting a "running threat" in the game for 5-6 plays and bringing a cold Rees in to get a 1st down on 3rd and long. Fumbles and INT go back to this whole flip flopping of QB's. If he had confidence in his evaluation he will have one starter after the Spring game and stick with him. Flip Flopping starters and the whole dual QB system will give us another very average season again in my opinion!

 

[JeremyND07]

I wanna know how 5 people could have picked Tommy Rees... They must be Michigan fans or something...

The same way 54 chose QB's that have not taken a single snap in a college game!

 

[TheTurningPoint]

IrishYJ told me to say something on here...

No more boring football bet your *** on that

 

[Irish YJ]

IrishYJ told me to say something on here...

No more boring football bet your *** on that

Peyton Manning is transferring to ND?

 

[stlnd01]

If Kelly was so good at evaluatinig QB why did we have a 3 QB rotation last year and now it looks like we will add a 4th these your possibly a 5th if Gunner has a good spring.

A fifth? Is it Mulvey time?
I agree with you on the flopping around with QBs disrupting the flow of the offense. But on the other hand, you could clearly see the things our offense can do with a mobile quarterback compared to what it can do with Tommy Rees. It changes whole dimensions of the field. Yet, last year, I can see how Kelly thought Rees gave him the best chance to win games. Until about the Southern Cal game he performed as a pretty decent quarterback. So I can see the desire for a change of pace QB from time to time.
However, if, next year, that "best chance to win" doesn't come from Hendrix or Golson, well, we'd damn well better hope Gunner is ready.

 

[BGIF]

IrishYJ told me to say something on here...

No more boring football bet your *** on that

So, now that there's a backup to Rees, Kelly is taking the shackles off Rees and giving him the Green Light to "Call and Haul"?

 

[Pachuco]

Babies can sense stress, and this guy's not projecting it.

Everett Golson knows what's up.

The future.

 

[NDPhilly]

Is that your kid? Lol.

I'd never wash him again after that.

 

[JughedJones]

Is that your kid? Lol.

I'd never wash him again after that.

The baby's almost taller than him.

I kid, I kid.

 

[Buster Bluth]

If Kelly was so good at evaluatinig QB why did we have a 3 QB rotation last year and now it looks like we will add a 4th these your possibly a 5th if Gunner has a good spring. How about evaluating talent enough to pick one QB to play the whole game and sticking with him? How about not putting a "running threat" in the game for 5-6 plays and bringing a cold Rees in to get a 1st down on 3rd and long. Fumbles and INT go back to this whole flip flopping of QB's. If he had confidence in his evaluation he will have one starter after the Spring game and stick with him. Flip Flopping starters and the whole dual QB system will give us another very average season again in my opinion!

This is really wrong, for a number of reasons.

For starters, he evaluated the talent correctly. Crist was named the starter because his is more athletic with his feet and his arm. He was benched because he mentally cannot get it done--everyone knows that. Kelly made the proper call and put in Rees, who did very well against average competition.

But there are a few things I don't get with your stance:

1) Tell me, what's the difference between putting in a "running threat," and the wildcat? Every coach in college football loved the wildcat during its 15 minutes of fame, because it made the defense adjust mentally. It worked, really well, until defenses realize that they could simply sell out on the run. Hendrix gives you that dimension, plus he can throw the ball well too.

2) Tell me, what's the difference between alternating Calabrese and Fox, and this?
Hendrix saw action in a grand total of five games. He was in against Maryland and Southern Cal for one and three plays, respectively. You're saying those four plays are the root of Rees' struggles? Get real. It's not a confidence issue, the quarterback is just a position. Coaches rotate at every position, some more than others, but ultimately every position. You wouldn't say "boy, Tuitt sucked on that third down play because he wasn't in on first and second to build off of." Coaches have different packages for defense, and offense, and the execution isn't inhibited by a simply substitution.

3) Are you assuming that Rees isn't on the sideline getting coached up significantly? That was a bonus in the wildcat, you could pull your QB and actually coach him. But your saying it hinders his production?

4) Hendrix actually outplayed Rees when he was inserted into the games, most evidently against Stanford. Rees has bad matchups, and Kelly's....wait for it...evaluation was correct and he put Hendrix in and he almost brought the Irish back from a 21-0 deficit.

5) You think the Irish will go five deep at QB this season? HA!

6) What if this was Kelly's evaluation, I'd bet any amount of money that this is what he thought going into the season: "I have four QB's: Crist, Rees, Hendrix, and Golson. Golson can make all of the throws and is the future, but he is a true freshmen and simply doesn't know what he's doing in this offense and needs to acclimate to the college game. Hendrix....boy oh boy I wish he would have early enrolled and been our guy during the stretch run in '10, he is athletic and has great arm strength, but I question if he is ready to run the entire offense due to his lack of experience. What should I do? Perhaps I'll make some special packages to utilize what he can do with his legs and arm. He needs a few plays to shine. Crist, overrated arm, but a true leader and can make most of the throws. His accuracy is suspect in the short game, which is worrisome but he managed the offense well for a first-year starter in 2010. He should do well. Rees...for a kid with no arm he does remarkably well. He limits what this offense can do though significantly. He is more or less a statue in the pocket and can't stretch the field vertically. He is a great backup though, and if Crist doesn't workout we can go into safe-mode and run the ball and still win some games. He definitely isn't a game changer though, unfortunately."

 

[Riddickulous]

@BGINews (Blue Gold Illustrated)

Jan. survey among BlueandGold.com's members has Everett Golson as overwhelming favorite to start in 2012 The Early People’s Choice: Golson #NotreDame #fb

 

[JeremyND07]

This is really wrong, for a number of reasons.

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I do not agree with your opinion but am not arrogant enough to say you are wrong! I just think you’re chugging the Kelly Kool-Aid.

1) Notice all the past tense verbs you are using in this explanation (loved, worked, etc). The wildcat is not used as much in college football because per your quote “It worked, really well, until defenses realize that they could simply sell out on the run”. It is time to nix the Leprechaun, in my opinion!

2) There is a huge difference in rotating LB’s or DL compared to QB’s. The QB position is a lot about rhythm and consistency. I am saying you cannot expect Reese to sit on the side line for 4-5 plays and come in on a 3rd and long (obvious passing situation) and be successful! He comes in cold and under a lot of pressure to make up for his replacements lack of moving the ball. The QB is not just a position. It is the one position in my opinion were rotating has a huge negative impact because it takes the QB out of their rhythm! It is the equivalent for me in having a shooting guard sitting the bench the whole game then asking him to come in cold and hit the winning shot.

3) The stats are there for the whole year and I have watched a few of those games again. When the starter was bench so Mr. Run First QB could play a few downs…when the passing QB was brought back into the game his success was very low and resulted in a turnover most of the time.

4) I think Hendrix is a better overall athlete then Rees and would be a better QB for the Irish next year. However, if it is a Rees/Hendrix combination again it will be another long year, again in my opinion.
5) Rees, Hendrix, Golson, and Gunner…I was counting Crist sorry! If all 4 see the field without injuries and blowouts…it will be a LONG year!!!

6) What if this was Kelly's evaluation was wrong because he did not account for Crist lack of poise in the past. Rees has ice water running through his veins most of the time. If this was Kelly’s original evaluation what has changed? So, are we still looking at a Rees start, Hendrix (special packages) and if all else fails I will try Golson…oh and Gunner could really come along this spring. I just want him to pick a starter, put his stock in him, and make him feel like he has faith in him to lead us to a good season. The whole I think Rees should start this week but with Hendrix playing, but maybe this week Hendrix should start, but Golson is amazing and man that freshman has it all evaluation will not get us wins, period!
I will support whoever is the starter next year. I am just hoping it is one QB, not 3-4.

 

[IrishinSyria]

6) What if this was Kelly's evaluation was wrong because he did not account for Crist lack of poise in the past. Rees has ice water running through his veins most of the time. If this was Kelly’s original evaluation what has changed? So, are we still looking at a Rees start, Hendrix (special packages) and if all else fails I will try Golson…oh and Gunner could really come along this spring. I just want him to pick a starter, put his stock in him, and make him feel like he has faith in him to lead us to a good season. The whole I think Rees should start this week but with Hendrix playing, but maybe this week Hendrix should start, but Golson is amazing and man that freshman has it all evaluation will not get us wins, period!
I will support whoever is the starter next year. I am just hoping it is one QB, not 3-4.

Amen brother. I really have no horse in this race: I think Golson, Hendrix, Kiel and Rees all bring something to the table and none is ideal. I do know that I never want to see Kelly pull his starter after the first half of football in a season again, barring a truly disastrous melt-down. How can you expect a kid to be confident playing in the most scrutinized position in college sports (arguably, in sports) if you show no confidence in him yourself?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Jeremy good post for someone thats a Blue Ace.

 

[phgreek]

@BGINews (Blue Gold Illustrated)

kelly has seen all of these QB surveys...all the Rees hatred. No question Tommy trots out in Ireland, takes the first snap...just BK saying..."Who is in charge here"..cause we all know thats what drives the man

Still betting Hendrix...

 

[irish1958]

If Rees starts, that would mean none of the other three were able to beat him out. If that is the case, I suspect we are in for a 6 and 6 year, loss of our good players early to the NFL and intensely poor recruiting.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Anyone who thinks that Coach cares about any discussion board's opinions [even IE] about running his team, is living in a very strange world of internet imagination. The correct answer to the QB poll is " Player-to-be-named-later".

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

I do not agree with your opinion but am not arrogant enough to say you are wrong! I just think you’re chugging the Kelly Kool-Aid.

1) Notice all the past tense verbs you are using in this explanation (loved, worked, etc). The wildcat is not used as much in college football because per your quote “It worked, really well, until defenses realize that they could simply sell out on the run”. It is time to nix the Leprechaun, in my opinion!

2) There is a huge difference in rotating LB’s or DL compared to QB’s. The QB position is a lot about rhythm and consistency. I am saying you cannot expect Reese to sit on the side line for 4-5 plays and come in on a 3rd and long (obvious passing situation) and be successful! He comes in cold and under a lot of pressure to make up for his replacements lack of moving the ball. The QB is not just a position. It is the one position in my opinion were rotating has a huge negative impact because it takes the QB out of their rhythm! It is the equivalent for me in having a shooting guard sitting the bench the whole game then asking him to come in cold and hit the winning shot.

3) The stats are there for the whole year and I have watched a few of those games again. When the starter was bench so Mr. Run First QB could play a few downs…when the passing QB was brought back into the game his success was very low and resulted in a turnover most of the time.

4) I think Hendrix is a better overall athlete then Rees and would be a better QB for the Irish next year. However, if it is a Rees/Hendrix combination again it will be another long year, again in my opinion.
5) Rees, Hendrix, Golson, and Gunner…I was counting Crist sorry! If all 4 see the field without injuries and blowouts…it will be a LONG year!!!

6) What if this was Kelly's evaluation was wrong because he did not account for Crist lack of poise in the past. Rees has ice water running through his veins most of the time. If this was Kelly’s original evaluation what has changed? So, are we still looking at a Rees start, Hendrix (special packages) and if all else fails I will try Golson…oh and Gunner could really come along this spring. I just want him to pick a starter, put his stock in him, and make him feel like he has faith in him to lead us to a good season. The whole I think Rees should start this week but with Hendrix playing, but maybe this week Hendrix should start, but Golson is amazing and man that freshman has it all evaluation will not get us wins, period!
I will support whoever is the starter next year. I am just hoping it is one QB, not 3-4.

Ok, I agree that we nix the leprechaun. And, I believe ND did that by replacing a running back with a mobile quarterback. If I'm not mistaken, This strategy worked exceptionally well for the Florida Gators when they went on to win a National Championship. Tim Tebow came in certain packages and gave that offense a running threat. The guy needed the experience, but wasn't ready for the whole offense.

I also agree that the LB, DL comparison is not a good one. Although, your assessment of the QB going "cold" because he sits out a few plays is absolutely ridiculous. If that were true, Tommy would never be able to throw the ball at the beginning of a drive because the defense was just on the field and he went "cold". Maybe using your logic Tommy should start playing defense too, that way he will never be cold because he will be playing 100% of the time.

Now, I absolutely agree that Kelly needs to make a choice and run with it. I believe that this season he proved that when he stuck with a sub-par Tommy Rees after the Dayne experiment failed. Although, I love that Kelly had the balls to bench Tommy when Tommy was playing poorly. Had Denver stuck with Orton this year, would they have won all those games? Is it a good idea to ride a lame horse when you know there's another one waiting in the wings, just ready for their shot? No matter who plays, there will be some more growing pains. Kelly will go with potential at this point and play the quarterback he's been excited to see in action...everett golson.

 

[irishog77]

Ok, I agree that we nix the leprechaun. And, I believe ND did that by replacing a running back with a mobile quarterback. If I'm not mistaken, This strategy worked exceptionally well for the Florida Gators when they went on to win a National Championship. Tim Tebow came in certain packages and gave that offense a running threat. The guy needed the experience, but wasn't ready for the whole offense.

I also agree that the LB, DL comparison is not a good one. Although, your assessment of the QB going "cold" because he sits out a few plays is absolutely ridiculous. If that were true, Tommy would never be able to throw the ball at the beginning of a drive because the defense was just on the field and he went "cold". Maybe using your logic Tommy should start playing defense too, that way he will never be cold because he will be playing 100% of the time.

Now, I absolutely agree that Kelly needs to make a choice and run with it. I believe that this season he proved that when he stuck with a sub-par Tommy Rees after the Dayne experiment failed. Although, I love that Kelly had the balls to bench Tommy when Tommy was playing poorly. Had Denver stuck with Orton this year, would they have won all those games? Is it a good idea to ride a lame horse when you know there's another one waiting in the wings, just ready for their shot? No matter who plays, there will be some more growing pains. Kelly will go with potential at this point and play the quarterback he's been excited to see in action...everett golson.

For what it's worth, Epitome told me Rees will get some looks as a DL in goal line situations this spring. Coaches may try and expand his 3rd-and-long-quick-kick ability into the full time place kicker role as well.

 

[phgreek]

Anyone who thinks that Coach cares about any discussion board's opinions [even IE] about running his team, is living in a very strange world of internet imagination. The correct answer to the QB poll is " Player-to-be-named-later".

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