'12 FL DB Brian Poole (Florida Signed LOI)

[Ndaccountant]

We are definately in it for Poole. We have to believe that Kelly will get him to flip.

Even if we swing and miss on Poole, I think we get Standifer and he is a solid player

We don't have to do anything. This isn't Russia. Is this Russia? This isn't Russia.

 

[SoIll]

Does us possibly landing Poole's commitment hurt our chances with Darby?

Do we take both if they want to come?

I hope you you were joking......?

 

[irishpat183]

Yep. Tee runs a 4.6 40.

Really?? Uggggg....

I'm 6'3, 250 and I ran a 4.76 as a TE/FB my senior year. Not to toot my own horn, but 4.6 isn't really what I"m looking for at CB.

Granted, "game speed" and "combine speed" are two different things.

 

[irishpat183]

It's not that simple. He runs a 4.6 40, a 4.4 shuttle, and has a 30'' vertical; those are better combine numbers than Tee Shepard produced. He lacks a 4th mainly due to the level of competition he plays against and infrequent appearances in the 7-on-7 tournaments.

And I was just commenting on what I was reading on other sites...not really my opinion.

But 4.6 is anything but "elite" speed.

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

unless these kids run track, i dont think u can put much stock into highschool combine 40 times. They just dont know the technique

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here are the combine numbers for participants in the 2011 NFL draft. Sort it by position and click on "CB". The average 40 time is about 4.6s, and these are all top college prospects who, after 3-5 years of development, were invited to participate.

Shepard and Standifer run a 4.6 coming out a high school. That's plenty fast for college, and they'll likely get faster after Longo gets a hold of them.

Your expectations are unrealistic.

Edit: I just averaged all 43 DB's 40-times. It comes out to 4.54.

 

[Ndaccountant]

And I was just commenting on what I was reading on other sites...not really my opinion.

But 4.6 is anything but "elite" speed.

I think we have to be careful with looking at 40 times too closely. Having 4.3 speed is great but if you suck in anticipation or play out of position constantly, you will still look like you are playing slow. Plus, being able to shift your hips quickly without losing speed IMO is more important than a 40 yard sprint time.

Additionally, he might be a 4.6 now, but what happens if he raelly has never trained for straight line speed?

For comparison sake, take a look at the 2009 combine numbers for Tyrann Mathieu. Those numbers don't jump off the page at you. He ran a 4.6 40, had a vertical of 24 and a shuttle of 4.3.

Scout.com: Tyrann Mathieu Profile

 

[irishpat183]

Here are the combine numbers for participants in the 2011 NFL draft. Sort it by position and click on "CB". The average 40 time is about 4.6s, and these are all top college prospects who, after 3-5 years of development, were invited to participate.

Shepard and Standifer run a 4.6 coming out a high school. That's plenty fast for college, and they'll likely get faster after Longo gets a hold of them.

Your expectations are unrealistic.

Edit: I just averaged all 43 DB's 40-times. It comes out to 4.54.

I guess I'm just spoiled when I see guys like Darby....Fair enough.

But one note....do CB's include safeties? That can kill the average.

 

[Kingbish01]

Here are the combine numbers for participants in the 2011 NFL draft. Sort it by position and click on "CB". The average 40 time is about 4.6s, and these are all top college prospects who, after 3-5 years of development, were invited to participate.

Shepard and Standifer run a 4.6 coming out a high school. That's plenty fast for college, and they'll likely get faster after Longo gets a hold of them.

Your expectations are unrealistic.

Edit: I just averaged all 43 DB's 40-times. It comes out to 4.54.

Reps

 

[irishpat183]

I think we have to be careful with looking at 40 times too closely. Having 4.3 speed is great but if you suck in anticipation or play out of position constantly, you will still look like you are playing slow. Plus, being able to shift your hips quickly without losing speed IMO is more important than a 40 yard sprint time.

Additionally, he might be a 4.6 now, but what happens if he raelly has never trained for straight line speed?

For comparison sake, take a look at the 2009 combine numbers for Tyrann Mathieu. Those numbers don't jump off the page at you. He ran a 4.6 40, had a vertical of 24 and a shuttle of 4.3.

Scout.com: Tyrann Mathieu Profile

Very true on the technique. However, on the flip side, great speed allows you to hide some of those flaws in technique.

I was just noting that I thought Tee was faster than a 4.6.....No biggie and not really a knock on him. But as whiskey said, maybe my expecations are a little on the high side.

 

[irishpat183]

Here are the combine numbers for participants in the 2011 NFL draft. Sort it by position and click on "CB". The average 40 time is about 4.6s, and these are all top college prospects who, after 3-5 years of development, were invited to participate.

Shepard and Standifer run a 4.6 coming out a high school. That's plenty fast for college, and they'll likely get faster after Longo gets a hold of them.

Your expectations are unrealistic.

Edit: I just averaged all 43 DB's 40-times. It comes out to 4.54.

And just to point out....That may be the average...but take a look at the first round:

Peterson- 4.3
Prince- 4.4
Smith- 4.4


So while the average is 4.6/4.5...the "Elite" guys are usually in the 4.4 range.

 

[Domina Nostra]

The 4.6 was laser-timed at Nike's camp. That is a 4.5 in the hand-timed world.

 

[BobbyBoucher]

And just to point out....That may be the average...but take a look at the first round:

Peterson- 4.3
Prince- 4.4
Smith- 4.4


So while the average is 4.6/4.5...the "Elite" guys are usually in the 4.4 range.

All 3 of these guys knocked at least a tenth of a second off their 40 time coming out of high school though. That would put Tee/Standifer in the 4.5 or less range in 3 or 4 years.

 

[irishpat183]

All 3 of these guys knocked at least a tenth of a second off their 40 time coming out of high school though. That would put Tee/Standifer in the 4.5 or less range in 3 or 4 years.

Absolutely.

 

[irishpat183]

Further more, out of 14 CB picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft, only 5 of them had times of 4.5 or slower.

So NFL teams are looking for speed guys. Especially on day one.

And that's the kind of recruit I'm looking for. Not the "average".

Can you believe Van Dykes time?? 4.2?!?!?! Good lord.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Further more, out of 14 CB picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft, only 5 of them had times of 4.5 or slower.

So NFL teams are looking for speed guys. Especially on day one.

And that's the kind of recruit I'm looking for. Not the "average".

Can you believe Van Dykes time?? 4.2?!?!?! Good lord.

I hear you, but you are talking exceptional (not average) for NFL CBs. There are a lot of players who are awesome (not just good) college players who simply don't have the raw materials to play pro-ball. A lot of times, these kids dominate people that get drafted way ahead of them. Troy Smith is a good example.

Tee is projected to be a lockdown college CB, whether or not he is going to be a lockdown NFL CB.

 

[Rocky2820]

We need a Poole/ Darby/ Wright and Standifer. Two more CBs puts us at 7/8 for 2012.

Agree completely with going after two more CBs. If y'all recall, most of us were spirited about picking up another CB while Darby was still committed. That logic still stands.

 

[irishpat183]

Agree completely with going after two more CBs. If y'all recall, most of us were spirited about picking up another CB while Darby was still committed. That logic still stands.

True that. We need to hoard CB's.....

 

[irishpat183]

I hear you, but you are talking exceptional (not average) for NFL CBs. There are a lot of players who are awesome (not just good) college players who simply don't have the raw materials to play pro-ball. A lot of times, these kids dominate people that get drafted way ahead of them. Troy Smith is a good example.

Tee is projected to be a lockdown college CB, whether or not he is going to be a lockdown NFL CB.

And I'm not saying our boy Tee won't be a stud and I see your point.

I was just pointing out my reasoning for pointing out 4.6 speed at CB as not being all that impressive...

I'm very happy with landing Tee, and will be happy to land Standifer. However, I would prefer a guy that could run like Darby, and learn technique to match his skill.

 

[SD Irish]

We would obviously take both if they wanted to come, it would be really stupid if we didn't. But I think if Pool joins then we are completely out of it with Darby, which I am fine with

Just curious, but why do you think that? Too much competition for Darby to be a starter if Poole's here?

Don't forget that they were the starting CB's for the White team in the UA game and it was Darby that sprinted about 75 yds on Poole's pick 6 to congratulate him. Now by no means am I saying that act alone means they're best buds or anything but I wouldn't sprint 5 yds to high five someone I didn't like...

Here's to hoping they hit it off at the game and wouldn't mind playing at the same school! (so long as that school is ND )

 

[arrowryan]

Just curious, but why do you think that? Too much competition for Darby to be a starter if Poole's here?

Don't forget that they were the starting CB's for the White team in the UA game and it was Darby that sprinted about 75 yds on Poole's pick 6 to congratulate him. Now by no means am I saying that act alone means they're best buds or anything but I wouldn't sprint 5 yds to high five someone I didn't like...

Here's to hoping they hit it off at the game and wouldn't mind playing at the same school! (so long as that school is ND )

Yes, I think there would a lot of competition for Darby. In fact, I think Poole and Tee would be ready to to get some playing time before Darby. Darby seems a little raw to me and the reason he is rated so high is because of his elite speed

 

[SD Irish]

Makes sense

 

[HoosierIrish]

I don't feel like going back and looking for this but wasn't it said that poole and howard don't get along, if howard goes to florida does that make poole basically ours?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I don't feel like going back and looking for this but wasn't it said that poole and howard don't get along, if howard goes to florida does that make poole basically ours?

That was rumored, but Howard and Poole were both at UF for a visit recently, and they looked plenty happy in pictures together. I don't put much stock in it.

 

[PANDFAN]

I don't feel like going back and looking for this but wasn't it said that poole and howard don't get along, if howard goes to florida does that make poole basically ours?

They r fine w one another....there is a posted pic in I think this thread of them together

 

[IrishLax]

No one is trumpeting anything. Poole flipping has legs. Rumor is that he did not enjoy his OV to Florida as much as he expected. His parents are both in ND's corner. He said the visit with Alford was the "best yet." Kelly has an in-home this week. Alford is keeping the pressure on. This is textbook flipping procedure.

Just have to make Brian believe it.

Semantics aside, what I was getting at is all of the "Poole to ND is a very strong possibility" information originated from one sources and continues to be propagated by that same source. No one else out there gives it much credence at all. Yes, people recognize it's still a possibility. Yes, people realize the fact that he is still talking to ND and going to be visited by BK. Yes, we could land Poole just like how we could land any prospect that is still listening to us. Weirder things have happened (see: Gunner Kiel).

But come on... it's the same song and dance as it was 3 months ago where everyone accepts the "when there's smoke" mantra for no apparent reason. I really, really hope we land him. I just don't understand where the optimism comes from. People have literally been doing the "Is Poole coming to ND? No? OK." dance on repeat for over 450 posts.

PS. As a total aside, I also cannot believe some of the Poole > Darby talk. First, 5'10" 4.5 < 5'11" 4.3 as a CB prospect. Second, I don't see a single service out there that rates Poole better. The couple things he does better than Darby seem to be that he's very physical and a good tackler and probably plays with a bit more polish right now.

 

[Domina Nostra]

They are both good and both long shots.

 

[NDhoosier]

PS. As a total aside, I also cannot believe some of the Poole > Darby talk. First, 5'10" 4.5 < 5'11" 4.3 as a CB prospect. Second, I don't see a single service out there that rates Poole better. The couple things he does better than Darby seem to be that he's very physical and a good tackler and probably plays with a bit more polish right now.

I said that awhile ago and got chewed out for it. Poole = Darby, not Poole > Darby

 

[NDPhilly]

Actions speak louder than words IMO. Just lookat Darby.

 

[stlnd01]

The couple things he does better than Darby seem to be that he's very physical and a good tackler and probably plays with a bit more polish right now.

I'd be quite glad to get both, and don't care to debate Darby v Poole. But for all the talk of 40 times and flat-out speed, let's not underrate the value of good, physical tacklers on the corner.
For a decade now our corners have been run over a lot more than they've been thrown past. That's gotten better under Kelly/Diaco. Would like to keep it that way.