ND Hires New OL Coach

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EDIT from NDinL.A.: ND has officially hired Tennessee OL coach Harry Hiestand. This is deserving of its own thread, so we'll pick it up with OMM's post:

The hire interests me, so I've looked a little more.

A). Dooley has lost 5 assistant coaches already down there, I think even not counting Coach Hiestand. One poster said in a nutshell: who in their right mind wouldn't want to get out of this toxic environment?

B). Even the Hiestand haters admit reluctantly that the line pass blocked very well this past season. All the griping is about run blocking.

C). The offensive coordinator employs an offense which requires the O-Line to flip flop depending upon which is the short and wide side of the field. All linemen must learn the subtleties of being both "left-handed" and "right-handed" at any given moment. While maybe not the greatest problem, this is not always a snap for younger linemen, and Hiestand said once that the line was having some trouble with it. This could be an example of the OC shoving something down his throat that he disagreed with. Needless to say, he'd have no such flip-flop problem here.

D). Coach Kelly's offense employs a spread running concept rather than a man-up-and-blast concept. My guess is that Hiestand can coach either, but if his guys pass block well, they surely will be able to spread-run block well. And we know that our guys are already darn good roadgraders when they have to be.

E). regarding recruiting O-Line. Tennessee has 6 freshmen O-Linemen and 4 sophomore O-Linemen. They probably began their recruiting war-room board saying that they had other priorities. This makes sense if the OC has a strong personality and can insist on pouring resources into "skill" players. As the season has gone on, maybe they think that they're in line for two OL [the have 17 verbals now] and are riding content. You guys know me, and that I'd think that their priorities stink, and maybe Coach Hiestand does too.

Add to that a pure guess: Not all programs run recruiting like ND, and I'll bet most don't. Since we recruit nationally, our guys are spread all over the place into different regions. My understanding is that programs with narrower geographic foci don't do it that way. They employ only a fraction of the staff as first contact specialists in recruiting and other coaches lay back for second wave, higher selling opportunity, close-the-deal operatives. This is like we usually do with Coach Kelly and often Diaco. Again, I don't know how Tennessee does it, but it may send out its younger guys first and bring a guy like Hiestand into the fray later. The relevance of this might be that you'd read other names as primary recruiters, but the O-Line coach might still close the deal once called upon. Whether that would be a good or bad sign for us, who knows, but my guess is that Hiestand is an authentic and civil man and can do either.
 
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Just a few other tidbits about the possible new OL coach:

In 2008, Chicago’s offensive attempted 557 pass plays and absorbed 29 sacks. In 2006, the Bears attempted 539 pass plays and allowed just 25 sacks, the lowest total given up by the team since allowing 17 in 2001, as Chicago went on to win the 2006 NFC Championship leading to the organization’s first Super Bowl appearance in 21 years.

He is also brother-in-law with Pat Flaherty who has been the Giants OL coach since 2004 and Flaherty is one of the best in the business.

Also is recruiting Logan Tulley Tillman for Tennessee so would help in that regard.
 
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Don't like the OL hire.

Not thrilled with Harry.
 
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RT @Josh_Ward: Tennessee OL coach Harry Hiestand has left for a similar position at Notre Dame, per @JimmyHyams.
 
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OMM your understanding of offensive line play is second to nobody's; but I really like your take on the psychological aspect of this hire. I agree with you that the way this man speaks of his players is sympathetic and synchronized with Kelly's own philosophy. And since much of the quotes considerably predate this coaching situation, I think it is safe to say this is a genuine match. To me, it seems that Kelly stated that unity of philosophy among the staff was number one. Does anyone know how involved Martin is with this hire?
 

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..... don't overrate my understanding of O-Line play. It is my brothers [three of them -- VT, ECU, Cincy] who lived it. I'm just tossing out things I've heard from reasonable sources.
 

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RT @Josh_Ward: Tennessee OL coach Harry Hiestand has left for a similar position at Notre Dame, per @JimmyHyams.

Go to have this position filled. I know alot of you are quick to slam this man give him the chance. If he was that bad Kelly wouldn't have hired him.
 
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Go to have this position filled. I know alot of you are quick to slam this man give him the chance. If he was that bad Kelly wouldn't have hired him.

I'm trying to figure out why some think he is a bad hire.
 

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What's wrong about it in your opinion? (Not a challenge, just curious)

I will answer this too, since I am VERY disappointed in this hire.

1. UT's run game was terrible. If Martin runs the offense like he did at GVSU, we should expect to see increased running and I do not see anything that excites me in that regard.

2. Recruiting. UT or not, we have no idea how this guy recruits. I am not going to bust his gut for the goose egg in OL committs this year but I am also not going to sing his praises for the year before. IMO, there is always a surge in recruiting when a new coach takes over a top "name" program.

3. I have a sneaky suspicion that $$$ is playing a factor here. If ND truly wanted to hire someone away (like a Wickline), they could by paying for it. However, ND IMO is still significantly below where they need to be (but it has improved over the last few years).

4. Combine the money with the fact that ND needed a guy to recruit the midwest, Harry was a guy that had ties in illinois before.

IMO, Harry was the easy way out for this search.
 
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I will answer this too, since I am VERY disappointed in this hire.

1. UT's run game was terrible. If Martin runs the offense like he did at GVSU, we should expect to see increased running and I do not see anything that excites me in that regard.

2. Recruiting. UT or not, we have no idea how this guy recruits. I am not going to bust his gut for the goose egg in OL committs this year but I am also not going to sing his praises for the year before. IMO, there is always a surge in recruiting when a new coach takes over a top "name" program.

3. I have a sneaky suspicion that $$$ is playing a factor here. If ND truly wanted to hire someone away (like a Wickline), they could by paying for it. However, ND IMO is still significantly below where they need to be (but it has improved over the last few years).

4. Combine the money with the fact that ND needed a guy to recruit the midwest, Harry was a guy that had ties in illinois before.

IMO, Harry was the easy way out for this search.

Did you read Old Man Mike's previous post? Actually I thought I would post it here for you:

The hire interests me, so I've looked a little more.

A). Dooley has lost 5 assistant coaches already down there, I think even not counting Coach Hiestand. One poster said in a nutshell: who in their right mind wouldn't want to get out of this toxic environment?

B). Even the Hiestand haters admit reluctantly that the line pass blocked very well this past season. All the griping is about run blocking.

C). The offensive coordinator employs an offense which requires the O-Line to flip flop depending upon which is the short and wide side of the field. All linemen must learn the subtleties of being both "left-handed" and "right-handed" at any given moment. While maybe not the greatest problem, this is not always a snap for younger linemen, and Hiestand said once that the line was having some trouble with it. This could be an example of the OC shoving something down his throat that he disagreed with. Needless to say, he'd have no such flip-flop problem here.

D). Coach Kelly's offense employs a spread running concept rather than a man-up-and-blast concept. My guess is that Hiestand can coach either, but if his guys pass block well, they surely will be able to spread-run block well. And we know that our guys are already darn good roadgraders when they have to be.

E). regarding recruiting O-Line. Tennessee has 6 freshmen O-Linemen and 4 sophomore O-Linemen. They probably began their recruiting war-room board saying that they had other priorities. This makes sense if the OC has a strong personality and can insist on pouring resources into "skill" players. As the season has gone on, maybe they think that they're in line for two OL [the have 17 verbals now] and are riding content. You guys know me, and that I'd think that their priorities stink, and maybe Coach Hiestand does too.

Add to that a pure guess: Not all programs run recruiting like ND, and I'll bet most don't. Since we recruit nationally, our guys are spread all over the place into different regions. My understanding is that programs with narrower geographic foci don't do it that way. They employ only a fraction of the staff as first contact specialists in recruiting and other coaches lay back for second wave, higher selling opportunity, close-the-deal operatives. This is like we usually do with Coach Kelly and often Diaco. Again, I don't know how Tennessee does it, but it may send out its younger guys first and bring a guy like Hiestand into the fray later. The relevance of this might be that you'd read other names as primary recruiters, but the O-Line coach might still close the deal once called upon. Whether that would be a good or bad sign for us, who knows, but my guess is that Hiestand is an authentic and civil man and can do either.

It is interesting that you used the term easy way out. Kelly has never taken the easy way out; not that I have seen. Nor has anyone in the current administration. Mike's facts can be verified. The Superbowl Bears had an awesome offensive line. That is why they made it. It is the last good team I can remember that didn't have an awesome playmaker at the helm.
 
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Did you read Old Man Mike's previous post?

I did. He has some good points. But it doesn't change my opinion though.

What concerns me is his Chicago Bears stint when it comes to the running game, not just UT. The Bears were near the bottom when it came to running. I can understand the UT problem given the youth and injuries.

I am not doubting the man as an individual, I just think there are many question marks surrounding this hire and I pray that $$$ isn't what kept us away from hiring some of the other names that were supposedly interested/interviewed.

Like I said, I think this was the easy way out.
 

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Did you read Old Man Mike's previous post? Actually I thought I would post it here for you:



It is interesting that you used the term easy way out. Kelly has never taken the easy way out; not that I have seen. Nor has anyone in the current administration. Mike's facts can be verified. The Superbowl Bears had an awesome offensive line. That is why they made it. It is the last good team I can remember that didn't have an awesome playmaker at the helm.

In that magical year, you know where the Bears ranked in yards / rushing attempt? 23rd. That isn't something that makes excited.
 

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In that magical year, you know where the Bears ranked in yards / rushing attempt? 23rd. That isn't something that makes excited.

there's not a offensive coach in the country that could've made them a legit offense in those years. teams were daring them to throw, Wrecks grossman at the helm. prolly was pretty hard for them to run the ball. and anthony thomas wasn't exactly an elite runner either.
 

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1. UT's run game was terrible. If Martin runs the offense like he did at GVSU, we should expect to see increased running and I do not see anything that excites me in that regard.

Heistad was hired in 2010. UT rushing attack was ranked 89th in 2010. That rushing attack improved to a 53rd ranking in 2011. Of course there are more factors at work there than the quality of the OL coaching, but it's strong circumstantial evidence that Heistad knows what he's doing.

2. Recruiting. UT or not, we have no idea how this guy recruits. I am not going to bust his gut for the goose egg in OL committs this year but I am also not going to sing his praises for the year before. IMO, there is always a surge in recruiting when a new coach takes over a top "name" program.

Reserving judgment is perfectly acceptable, but we have no reason to believe Heistad can't recruit.

3. I have a sneaky suspicion that $$$ is playing a factor here. If ND truly wanted to hire someone away (like a Wickline), they could by paying for it. However, ND IMO is still significantly below where they need to be (but it has improved over the last few years).

Don't fall into the NDNation mindset that ND can get any coach it wants if it's willing to open its wallet wide enough. Wickline's Cowboys just finished 3rd in the polls; why would he make a horizontal move to ND when he's in line for a coordinator position in short order?
 

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I did. He has some good points. But it doesn't change my opinion though.

What concerns me is his Chicago Bears stint when it comes to the running game, not just UT. The Bears were near the bottom when it came to running. I can understand the UT problem given the youth and injuries.

I am not doubting the man as an individual, I just think there are many question marks surrounding this hire and I pray that $$$ isn't what kept us away from hiring some of the other names that were supposedly interested/interviewed.

Like I said, I think this was the easy way out.

This isn't the the bears nor is it the same scheme.
 

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Heistad was hired in 2010. UT rushing attack was ranked 89th in 2010. That rushing attack improved to a 53rd ranking in 2011. Of course there are more factors at work there than the quality of the OL coaching, but it's strong circumstantial evidence that Heistad knows what he's doing.



Reserving judgment is perfectly acceptable, but we have no reason to believe Heistad can't recruit.



Don't fall into the NDNation mindset that ND can get any coach it wants if it's willing to open its wallet wide enough. Wickline's Cowboys just finished 3rd in the polls; why would he make a horizontal move to ND when he's in line for a coordinator position in short order?


1. I am not saying that ND just opens a wallet and everyone flocks. But, let's not also pretend that ND pays assistants top notch $'s either. That wasn't directed at Wickline specifically, just any OL coach that had some interest.

2. I am not sure where you are getting your rushing stats. According to NCAA.com's stats, UT was 116th this year in rushing offense per game and averaged a whopping 2.76 yards per carry. Compared to 2010, which was 3.48. So, they got worse, not better. (Again, I realize the injuries and players situation, but those stats are worth pointing out)
 

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I was excited about the prospect of getting Heck. I thought that would have been a really good fit. But, I can get behind this hire even if it wasn't my first choice. I am confident that Heistad will be competent at minimum, and if he proves to be a better recruiter than he is being given credit for, even better.
 

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We had a very good running game this year, and that was not all due to Warinner and Hinton. Good hire, the O-line will continue to be a strength going forward in my opinion.
 

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We won't know if it's a good hire for another year or two so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he will be fine, it's up to the kids to be aggressive and have that killer instinct but the Oline coach can help with that. I think the hire is good, who knows who might have turned Kelly down.
 
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It is absolutely pointless to nitpick over assistant coaching hires, let alone an OL assistant coach. The minutiae of the position is unreal, and previous situations do not apply to this one at Notre Dame. Every school and every scheme is apples and oranges big time.

Brian Kelly his been in this business for 20+ years and has a tremendous winning percentage. I trust his judgment when it comes to hiring coaches. He does, in fact, know what he is doing.
 
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Article on Inside the Irish. I'm convinced Keith reads this board.

"Asking the general public to rate a positional coaching hire is risky business, and Hiestand’s name hasn’t drawn rave reviews from the message board crowd, which you almost have to come to expect at this point"

Kelly reportedly close to hiring new offensive line coach | Inside the Irish

And to reiterate what Riddikulous said yesterday "If you’re looking for an impressive stat, every senior starting lineman that Hiestand coached [from the Illini] signed an NFL contract. Hiestand added assistant head coach to his title for his final five seasons with the Illini."
 
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I love Notre Dame and must put some confidence in Kelly. I hope he at least interviewed Coach Hiestand and he must have felt comfortable with his recruiting abilites. It appears he did some fine work with Illinois. I guess we all will find out within the next 3 weeks as I am sure he will have to visit our OL commits. Be wishes Harry--- go ahead make our day.
 
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Here is what I think about the OL coach:
1) Moving forward: I am not much of a stats guy. Stats are deceivingly close to focusing on the past to affect the future. Which in turn is close to asking, “What have you done for me yesterday??" I am much more concerned about the quality of the person, and how the coach treats and teaches his players, and how he fits with the team and at Notre Dame.
2) Continuity: The most important thing, far and away number one on the list for me if I am Kelly is continuity. Stability for the players, those returning starters, and the position battles for the open spots is paramount. GoldenIsThyFame is absolutely right about Paul Longo. Also, someone no one else has brought up is Coach Martin. (Obviously) last year there was a huge problem within the offensive coaching staff. Martin was in part brought in to fix that. No one will ever make a big thing out of it, because Kelly is responsible for the program, but you had three coaches involved on the offensive side that we can believe had somewhat different agendas in mind.
3) One Mind, one heart: Defensive coaching was unified, offensive coaching was not. Defensive players showed tremendous growth, it seemed like every week a new starter or underclassman rose to perform at a competitive level; other than (Tyler Eifert was great last year) Jonas Grey, name one on offensive player? Whoever is hired must be able to work well with Martin, Denbrock, Alford and anyone else brought in to work with the offense.
 
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I think this is a solid hire. Is there a way to check to see who he has been recruiting?
 
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Also like to point this out:

"Yet Hiestand’s reputation hasn’t been tarnished, and Kelly is far from the first coach to head to Knoxville to ask about Hiestand, with Urban Meyer inquiring first as he assembled his Buckeye staff."
 
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