Who is likely next?

[BleedBlueGold]

I struggled with Slaughter as well. I feel like they would be able to get by with moving someone into the role of center easier than replacing Slaughter. I feel like Slaughter is the most important of the three. Just my opinion.

You can make a case for all three of them to stay. It just really stood out to me how the OL played when Cave went down to end the year. Like I said before, I'm glad I'm not the one making these decisions. BK seems like a "these are my guys" kind of coach. Theoretically, he could say no to all of them.

 

[Grahambo]

Slaughter already said he is coming back so I doubt he would say that without something from BK. Cave is a must keep and I think KLM is asked back. Too good to not be. Amir doesn't count until next season I believe. As for Goodman, better try for Kansas.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Slaughter already said he is coming back so I doubt he would say that without something from BK. Cave is a must keep and I think KLM is asked back. Too good to not be. Amir doesn't count until next season I believe. As for Goodman, better try for Kansas.

Amir counts right away in the fall.

Report: Carlisle To ND

While he technically won’t be a member of the 2012 recruiting class, he’s a big-time coup for the Irish staff. His scholarship will count against the Irish this fall even though he won’t be eligible to play until 2013.

 

[woolybug25]

Slaughter already said he is coming back so I doubt he would say that without something from BK. Cave is a must keep and I think KLM is asked back. Too good to not be. Amir doesn't count until next season I believe. As for Goodman, better try for Kansas.

Goodman has been saying that he is coming back too, and that isn't looking good. I am pretty sure that all 5th year guys talk as if they are coming back unless otherwise told.

 

[Ricochet]

Slaughter already said he is coming back so I doubt he would say that without something from BK. Cave is a must keep and I think KLM is asked back. Too good to not be. Amir doesn't count until next season I believe. As for Goodman, better try for Kansas.

/Wrong Amir counts as soon as he's official part of the program, so as soon as he steps on campus to take classes he will be on scholarship and that will count against the 85 allowed.

It doesn't matter if your sitting out a year do to transferring or being red-shirted if your on scholarship it counts against the total 85 allowed scholarship players.

 

[Grahambo]

Amir counts right away in the fall.

Report: Carlisle To ND

Oh. I'm on my phone so browsing is tough. My bad.

 

[Grahambo]

Goodman has been saying that he is coming back too, and that isn't looking good. I am pretty sure that all 5th year guys talk as if they are coming back unless otherwise told.

Only difference is Slaughter plays and plays well. Lol

 

[Ricochet]

Goodman has been saying that he is coming back too, and that isn't looking good. I am pretty sure that all 5th year guys talk as if they are coming back unless otherwise told.

I like Goodman a lot but doesn't see like he fits what Kelly & Co. offense but seemed like a natural fit to be just like the Shark under Weis, so moving on to Kansas actually might be better for him because IMO he can be great in the right offense.

IMO if the 5th years don't project to be part of the 2 deep then they are gone.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

So if Amir takes a Schollie and with Elijah's verbal, that puts us at 4 available spots w Cave and Slaughter as 5yrs, correct? I'm looking for Arik, Armond, Ekanem, Agholor/Fuller (1 or the other) in that order. #1 class in the country.

 

[woolybug25]

Only difference is Slaughter plays and plays well. Lol

So does Cave.

Don't get me wrong, if I had to make the choice of only keeping one, it would be Slaughter. But I certainly wouldn't tell him that. My biggest reason for Slaughter is that we will be very young in our secondary and we will need him to be the leader of the secondary.

 

[tadman95]

So does Cave.

Don't get me wrong, if I had to make the choice of only keeping one, it would be Slaughter. But I certainly wouldn't tell him that. My biggest reason for Slaughter is that we will be very young in our secondary and we will need him to be the leader of the secondary.

Yep.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

So if Amir takes a Schollie and with Elijah's verbal, that puts us at 4 available spots w Cave and Slaughter as 5yrs, correct? I'm looking for Arik, Armond, Ekanem, Agholor/Fuller (1 or the other) in that order. #1 class in the country.

Definitely not, even with the additions you mentioned. And I would prefer we passed on Ekanem in light of his serious injury. Arik, Armond, Fuller, and one of garnett/wright/neal - preferrably in that order.

 

[Da Rattlensnakes]

What about Neal?

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Definitely not, even with the additions you mentioned. And I would prefer we passed on Ekanem in light of his serious injury. Arik, Armond, Fuller, and one of garnett/wright/neal - preferrably in that order.

Adding 2 Armsteads, Agholor and some other stud to the #3 class in the country (realizing that current 1 and 2 may have another schollie or 2 available) seems like it would give the #1 spot a run for it's money.

 

[beryirish]

So if Amir takes a Schollie and with Elijah's verbal, that puts us at 4 available spots w Cave and Slaughter as 5yrs, correct? I'm looking for Arik, Armond, Ekanem, Agholor/Fuller (1 or the other) in that order. #1 class in the country.

Definitely not, even with the additions you mentioned. And I would prefer we passed on Ekanem in light of his serious injury. Arik, Armond, Fuller, and one of garnett/wright/neal - preferrably in that order.

247 recruiting has ND #3 in the country currently. You think getting the #1 player in the country and his stud brother and possibly 2 other (fuller,wright,neal) won't bump us up to the #1 spot.

C'mon man.

 

[JDAtlanta]

I said it long ago and was killed for it, but still haven't lost the feeling that KLM might not get his 5th year. Not saying I think it is right or that is the way it should go, just saying that I see it happening.

My gut tells me that we have only two 5th year guys, Cave and Slaughter.

Don't tase me, bro...

Wooly, I'm not going to rip you. I think you should bring KLM back. He is solid on the run and pass. But, with this staff, you could be right. The my recruits vs. Charlie's recruits fiasco could have been a foreshadowing. I hope he comes back, but the recruiting numbers will decide it. There are still a bunch of possibilities out there. I do not think we get Banner, Garnett or Agholor. But, if any of those guys switch between now and NSD, who knows.

 

[gkIrish]

247 recruiting has ND #3 in the country currently. You think getting the #1 player in the country and his stud brother and possibly 2 other (fuller,wright,neal) won't bump us up to the #1 spot.

C'mon man.

Why would Armand and or Amir count in recruiting rankings?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Only person ND would "save a spot" per-say is Nelson. Neal would not be saved a spot. Neal could wait till after signing day to sign, and ND isnt going to wait unless clearly ND doesn't fill up, which I would highly doubt.

Good Day to be Irish.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Why would Armand and or Amir count in recruiting rankings?

Armand would be playing that's why. Amir would have to sit, so he wouldn't make difference.

 

[NDinL.A.]

247 recruiting has ND #3 in the country currently. You think getting the #1 player in the country and his stud brother and possibly 2 other (fuller,wright,neal) won't bump us up to the #1 spot.

C'mon man.

Very, very wishful thinking. Fuller might not even visit us, Neal is taking 4 more visits and is going to wait until after signing day, and Wright is visiting his childhood favorite soon. Also, other schools will pick up studs to bump them up the rankings. And finally, Armond doesn't help our ratings.

But it is nice to dream!

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Wow I came home to some awesome news! I wanted Amir last year (like everyone else) and now we have had a great day. Shumate and Carlisle!

 

[beryirish]

Very, very wishful thinking. Fuller might not even visit us, Neal is taking 4 more visits and is going to wait until after signing day, and Wright is visiting his childhood favorite soon. Also, other schools will pick up studs to bump them up the rankings. And finally, Armond doesn't help our ratings.

But it is nice to dream!

Yes, complete wishful thinking. Just stating the point that since they are #3 already that getting those players would definitely take them to #1. I see GK's point about Amir and Armond how they wouldn't technically count towards the ranking but again...c'mon...those two join as well it puts ND over the top as far as kids signing with ND this year rather they play or have to wait. Talent is talent and if that wishful thinking came to fruition it would be #1

 

[Irish YJ]

Hey Wooly, I said the same thing long ago and got killed. While I'd like to have all 3 back, I can see a few scenarios where only 2 get a 5th. Good problem to have, but honestly I'd rather see a few transfers open a few extra slots up.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I don't care how we rank; the difference between the higher loaded classes is too small to worry about once you have the right coaches and the right systems and attitudes. I just want Kelly to have a lot of ammunition.

Concerning 5ths: Cave is uber-important. He is the core of the line in all ways, it's signal-caller, and freakishly strong enough that we don't have to shudder even if a Mike Martin is rooting in there on the other side. Cave is the Monster-in-the-Middle.

The only way we would do without him [assuming he can get into grad school] is that if his injury is weird and it hampers him. He is a conditioning room wildman, so it will have to be something really bad.

If Cave couldn't go, or was let go, his replacement would be Hegarty as a rookie center with two other rookies to his right side. Hegarty I believe will become great, but maybe not yet next year --- it is his first year at center from left tackle afterall.

The goodness and consistency of the offense must begin with the line. WE NEED BRAXTON CAVE.

Concerning Slaughter: Jamoris is almost as important as Braxton. And not for his safety play. That's gotten good, but it is his "specialty" play as a rover-in-space pseudo-linebacker that was so valuable when we couldn't run with several teams. Might we be better next year?? Sure hope so, but Slaughter is the only guy who's proved anything in that area so far. Letting Jamoris go would be rolling some bad dice.

Concerning KLM: In an orderly world it would make no sense to give up a solid experienced D-Lineman like Kapron. In this year's recruiting we seem rapidly to be approaching a disorderly world. Kelly/Diaco have to be seeing the following: 1). Lynch --- he is going to start; 2). Tuitt --- he is very probably going to start; 3). Hounshell --- he is going to give super relief to Lynch; 4). Jones --- he is probably going to be able to step in right away; 5). What am I REALLY going to do with Niklas and Shembo and Rabasa?; 6). will Kona get up to the competition totally, as he is close now?? ------ ANNNNNDDDD, what if this is coming down to KLM vs Armstead ???

WE ARE LOADED. That is why what in any other world would be unthinkable is at least thought about. Glad it's Kelly/Diaco and not me.

 

[gkIrish]

Armand would be playing that's why. Amir would have to sit, so he wouldn't make difference.

I think they only count incoming freshman in the rankings

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I think they only count incoming freshman in the rankings

I was unaware of that, and if so it isnt representative of the class that is being brought in. He would help.

 

[gkIrish]

I was unaware of that, and if so it isnt representative of the class that is being brought in. He would help.

Yeah I completely agree unless KLM is forced out as a result. Then essentially the two wash

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Rabasa is a MLB and Jarron is going to need a year.

I can assure you if KLM/Slaughter/Cave will be back. They arent going to drop KLM it would frankly be a terrible move. As talented as the dline is they are still very young. Kap is going to provide a leadership and experience.

They will figure it out

 

[irishfanjho15]

Rabasa is a MLB and Jarron is going to need a year.

I can assure you if KLM/Slaughter/Cave will be back. They arent going to drop KLM it would frankly be a terrible move. As talented as the dline is they are still very young. Kap is going to provide a leadership and experience.

They will figure it out

Are you saying he will sit the year?? Honest question.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I don't think losing KLM is a good move either, that's why I phrased it as I did. [I do disagree about Jones, though --- he might sit, but he's got the body to sub in]; [and the Rabasa et al comment is due to the fact that we have succeeded at putting smaller rush ends posing as cats in there, i.e. Shembo, and the staff hasn't indicated a true Rabasa position yet --- I care not for "firsts" but I might possibly have been that person when it came to suggesting that Rabasa to MLB might be a good idea, so Rabasa at LB would hardly grate against my own sensibilities].

All I'm doing is showing some of the piecemeal thoughts which could go into the weighing of an increasingly tough choice.