'12 CA DT/DE Arik Armstead (Oregon Verbal)

[rtrn2glory]

Adding Arik would surpass easing the loss of Decker and be and upgrade. Ya that's right I'm saying Decker is gone and we get the Armstead brothers now!

is taylor done for sure or just your hunch?

i'd say landing the armsteads is less than 25% imo

 

[woolybug25]

Reallllllllllllllllllllly doubt SC will allow Armond to talk to us or transfer here, which probably means you're looking at Auburn as chief competition now for Arik.

FYI, go read this article on how schools can still restrain kids who have graduated if they're dicks. However.... with the fact that Armond sat out most (all?) of this year and is not medically cleared.... he might be exempt from this rule. I don't know though.

I would be shocked if Kiffin did what St John's coach did. College football recruiting is followed much more than college bball, and if Kiffin did that, he would be giving every coach in America ammo to recruit against him. Furthermore, I think you hit the nail on the head with the medical issue. I don't think that they will have a choice of where he goes because USC is letting him go, not the other way around. But I could easily be wrong about that.

Finally, I wonder if Armond could call his bluff and tell Kiffin that if he didn't let him go to Notre Dame, then he is going to stay at USC and use one of his scholarships to do so.

 

[woolybug25]

is taylor done for sure or just your hunch?

i'd say landing the armsteads is less than 25% imo

He is just giving his opinion. Taylor is still committed to Notre Dame... for now...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

He is just giving his opinion. Taylor is still committed to Notre Dame... for now...

Correct thanks Wooly

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Finally, I wonder if Armond could call his bluff and tell Kiffin that if he didn't let him go to Notre Dame, then he is going to stay at USC and use one of his scholarships to do so.

I have little doubt that Kiffin would happily waste a scholarship to keep the nation's #1 recruit away from us.

 

[SirStrutsAlot]

Finally, I wonder if Armond could call his bluff and tell Kiffin that if he didn't let him go to Notre Dame, then he is going to stay at USC and use one of his scholarships to do so.

Good Thoughts!

 

[ab2cmiller]

If I'm reading this correctly, Armond may not be able to transfer to Arkansas or Auburn due to the SEC policy on Grad Transfers that took effect on Oct. 1st.
Russell Wilson's transfer to Wisconsin result of best NCAA rule - Andy Staples - SI.com

The SEC would disagree. After Oct. 1, the league won't allow any more graduate transfer exceptions for players with only one year of eligibility remaining. (Players such as Glennon, who has two years of eligibility remaining, would still be eligible to transfer and play immediately.) The SEC rescinded the exceptions after it got embarrassed when quarterback Jeremiah Masoli, who had been booted from Oregon's team, used the rule to transfer and play right away at Ole Miss.

Read more: Russell Wilson's transfer to Wisconsin result of best NCAA rule - Andy Staples - SI.com

 

[IrishLax]

If I'm reading this correctly, Armond may not be able to transfer to Arkansas or Auburn due to the SEC policy on Grad Transfers that took effect on Oct. 1st.
Russell Wilson's transfer to*Wisconsin result of best NCAA rule - Andy Staples - SI.com

Ooo... good point.... but did Armond redshirt? If he did he might actually have 2 years left. I wish I knew more about the rules in play here, but sadly I do not. I guess we'll know soon enough (2 weeks).

 

[anarin]

Sorry if this info was posted already, but!

Armstead not announcing at Army Bowl

 

[SirStrutsAlot]

Armstead not announcing at Army Bowl

just shows that he is waiting on his brother's problems with USC to be cleared up before he makes his decision. Irish fans have to feel good about that, i know i do!

 

[simets99]

possibilities:
1.we pass on KLM for a 5th and add armond to get Arik
2. They both go to auburn.
I think the second scenario is much more likely, but don't know how Arik fits in with auburn basketball

If the staff was planning to "redshirt" Arik his freshman year than his scholarship would count against the basketball team that first year and they could use the scholarship on Armond.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Ooo... good point.... but did Armond redshirt? If he did he might actually have 2 years left. I wish I knew more about the rules in play here, but sadly I do not. I guess we'll know soon enough (2 weeks).

Armond played in 2008, 2009, and 2010. This year he is using a redshirt. He has one year of eligibility left.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

possibilities:
1.we pass on KLM for a 5th and add armond to get Arik
2. They both go to auburn.
I think the second scenario is much more likely, but don't know how Arik fits in with auburn basketball

No way on God's green earth that the staff does not bring KLM back for a 5th year. I do not care who the recruit is. The argument could easily be made that before he got hurt KLM was our best and most consistent player on defense. Kelly is on the win now plan, he's not going to pass on bringing back our best DL with another year of eligiblity for a high school player who may or may not ever become half of what KLM has proven he is at the FBS level.

 

[IrishLax]

We are not in any kind of scholarship bind that would prevent us from taking both guys. There will likely be a transfer or two (there is every year from every program) and you have guys like Cwynar who we would all loved to have back for a 5th but could be dropped in favor of a #1 recruit.

On top of that, we have 5 open spots right now assuming KLM, Cave, Slaughter, Cwynar for 5ths and we only look to have 2 (maaaaybe 3) people commit before Arik would be making his EE decision known. AND, heaven forbid, there is always the chance of losing a currently committed player like Decker or Darby.

Anyways, the important thing to take away from the above is that we really aren't super tight on scholarships at this juncture.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I would think it would be a tough sell to the ND locker room to say that the reason we didn't bring back one of the 5th year guys was because we needed to offer Armond in order to get Arik.

 

[SirStrutsAlot]

I would think it would be a tough sell to the ND locker room to say that the reason we didn't bring back one of the 5th year guys was because we needed to offer Armond in order to get Arik.

let's not forget that nfl scouts had Armond graded out as a 2nd -3rd rd pick last year..

 

[Domina Nostra]

I would think it would be a tough sell to the ND locker room to say that the reason we didn't bring back one of the 5th year guys was because we needed to offer Armond in order to get Arik.

That's a good point, but I think all expectations should be tempered after year four. No one would blame the individual player for going pro and putting himself in front of the program at that point, and no one should fault the coach for putting the program above the individual at that point either.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I would think it would be a tough sell to the ND locker room to say that the reason we didn't bring back one of the 5th year guys was because we needed to offer Armond in order to get Arik.

That would be true if Armond sucked. He doesn't. That kid can flat out play. There's a reason USC fans have been clamoring for him to be cleared despite scholarship reductions, and it's not just b/c of his brother. They wanted him to play THIS year...

 

[Anchorman]

Do we even know if ND would clear him? If SC didn't, that tells me there are still questions.

 

[IrishLax]

He's perfectly healthy.

 

[DillonHall]

Does anyone know why USC didn't clear him?

 

[IrishInFl]

Does anyone know why USC didn't clear him?

The SC training staff if pretty strict. Look at Jarvis Jones, he wasn't cleared, and transferred to Georgia.

 

[Anchorman]

Who was the OL who transferred to Florida because we wouldn't clear him? (concussions)

My point is 'perfectly healthy' is relative, and I'd expect we'd have pretty stringent standards in terms of player safety/health as apparently USC does.

 

[Sweetness34]

Who was the OL who transferred to Florida because we wouldn't clear him? (concussions)

My point is 'perfectly healthy' is relative, and I'd expect we'd have pretty stringent standards in terms of player safety/health as apparently USC does.

Dan Wenger

 

[Rack Em]

Does anyone know why USC didn't clear him?

I think Kiffin is using this as a way around his scholarship crunch.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think Kiffin is using this as a way around his scholarship crunch.

^^

this is certainly a part of it at least... they'll find every way in the book...

 

[IrishLax]

Who was the OL who transferred to Florida because we wouldn't clear him? (concussions)

My point is 'perfectly healthy' is relative, and I'd expect we'd have pretty stringent standards in terms of player safety/health as apparently USC does.

Why even ask the question if you don't want to hear the answer? Armond has already been cleared by a half dozen different independent doctors. This has literally nothing to do with Wenger. It has everything to do with USC's scholarship situation and the fact that beyond Armond they still will need to cut roughly 7 more guys before they open camp in the fall.

 

[Rack Em]

Dan Wenger

"Perfectly healthy" is relative. But Danny had, I think, 3-4 concussions in his time at ND. His injuries occurred around the Declan Sullivan tragedy too. Keep that in mind...

I think we've got a ways to go with Arik, but a visit from Armond would go a long way

 

[ND NYC]

Why even ask the question if you don't want to hear the answer? Armond has already been cleared by a half dozen different independent doctors. This has literally nothing to do with Wenger. It has everything to do with USC's scholarship situation and the fact that beyond Armond they still will need to cut roughly 7 more guys before they open camp in the fall.

not questioning the veracity of your assertion rather im just curious how you came up with a specific number of guys they need to "cut".

in other words how about a quick analysis of usc and their scholorship restrictions vs what they have in house now factoring in their current recruting class?

have it on my desk by 5pm LOL

 

[CanadalovesND]

Armond Armstead considering.........ND?

Armond Armstead considering.........ND?

Armond Armstead considering a transfer from USC | CollegeFootballTalk

Armstead mentioned Notre Dame, Arkansas and Auburn as transfer possibilities, and could be visiting those institutions at some point in the future.

I dont know about you, but I found this very surprising for alot of reasons. First off, I dont think there's ever been a player who played four years at USC only to come to ND his last year. In fact, I cant think of the last time there was a senior transfer to ND. Secondly, keep this in mind. Because of the Jeremiah Masoli fiasco at Ole Miss, SEC teams cant accept 5th year senior transfers. He mentioned Auburn and Arkansas as potential transfer locations, but they cant accept him to play football for them.

Also, if he comes to ND (if he's cleared to play), you have to wonder what his role will be. He started his junior year at USC, and produced some good numbers: 43 tackles, 6.5 tackles for loss, and 3 sacks. As of right now, we are losing Ethan Johnson to graduation. That leaves a starting position open. Now, Tuitt and Lynch played well filing in for Johnson and playing a role in the rotation, considering that they were only true freshman. Can we arguably tell Tuitt or Lynch to take a backseat or limit what they expect for a year if Armstead proves that he can be a vital contributor to our defense? Thats up for you to decide.

You also have to look at this from a recruiting standpoint. Our DL is already pretty deep, do we add even more depth to it? I dont care, but some underclassmen could take this the wrong way, but I seriously doubt that. Also, Armond is Arik Armstead's older brother. Now, Arik is supposed to enroll early, and has about one week left to decide where he wants to go. The addition of the older Armstead could drastically improve our chances of landing the younger Armstead.

Anyways, whats your thoughts of this developing Armond Armstead situation?