Lots of kids make decisions or change them based on a position coach. The head coach shapes the team; the position coach shapes the player. He's the person that the player has the most contact with over his 4 or 5 year career.
'12 OH OT Taylor Decker (Ohio State Verbal)
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Lots of kids make decisions or change them based on a position coach. The head coach shapes the team; the position coach shapes the player. He's the person that the player has the most contact with over his 4 or 5 year career.
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Who does he want? I hope we don't lose this kid
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looks like he has excuse to flip to urbie and the buckeyes.
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That may be all true about the relationship between recruit & position coach--but it is common sense that most recruits should realize that the better the position coach the "less stable" his job. These guys are all looking to move up, you win a BCS, you have a great defense or a great offense and these guys get offered more money and better jobs. Expecting your psotion coach to be there five years is assuming he is very average or he has no ambition. So yes, i can see how it is distressing to lose the coach right out of the gate , but it could just as easily have been next year or the year after---and in warriners case if he did get the promotion he wanted to OC then he wouldn't have been the oline coach in any case.
Personally i just don't think you leave becasue of a change of position coach unless you already have been nurturing doubts and that change lets those doubts blossom.
Personally i just don't think you leave becasue of a change of position coach unless you already have been nurturing doubts and that change lets those doubts blossom.
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Door ajar. Maybe we can hear about the wonderful education he will get at osu. I hope he tweets about that.
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Hold on now. As far as I'm concerned, this guy is still a Notre Dame commit. Don't you dare start talking **** about him.
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^This. Back away from the ledge people.
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should any of us really be talking **** on ANY 17 or 18 year old high school kid lol?.. I do know what you're saying though and I agree with you
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Well, some of us are 17/18 *cough* me *cough*, but yea, I'm just gonna stick up extra hard for one of my guys. haha
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lol nearly 5,200 posts and only 17 or 18.. we gotta get you a woman haha, I kid I kid.. but I agree with you I'll stick up for ND guys over non ND guys, but I remember when I was 17 and I was probably saying some stupid stuff and doing immature things which is why I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt if they get flustered by things or run their mouths (Dieter)
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You think Hinton and/or Warriner lied to Decker about staying at ND?
sharksamardzija8345
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To be honest, all college coaches have a little scumbag in them.. it's almost a prerequisite for the job.. they more or less sell their souls to be college football coaches.. I say this because people are constantly switching jobs and trying to advance.. every coach has probably done it at some point where they're recruiting a kid then up and leave.. BK did it to Cinci kids most likely.. I just feel like these recruits should look at some other things before they put their loyalties into a coach because there's at least a decent chance that coach won't be there for their entire collegiate careers.. and I'm not saying I resent any coaches for changing jobs and stuff, it's just the nature of coaching
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Well **** man. Am I supposed to stay a bottom dweller of college football forever just because I recruited a kid or two? I've got dreams and ambitions of my own.
Sorry, just read your last sentence. lmao I wasn't that mad to begin with though. Just sayin'.
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I'm pretty sure you're making his point.
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I just didn't like being called a scumbag. lol Leaving to coach at a school that is your dream school to coach at or will get you there isn't dirty at all. I sure as hell don't plan at coaching football at Muncie Central High School all my life.
And you can't act like everyone else doesn't do the exact same thing with their careers.
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I guess scumbag isnt the right word.. didn't mean to offend you, I'm sorry.. it's just the word my friends and I use when we have these conversations about this topic.. I guess what I mean is you can't take anyone's word too seriously.. Coach X gets hired at School A in 2010 and says he's 100% committed to building a bottom dwelling program and making them a competitor, but then some bigger school comes calling in 2011 and he leaves.. it's been done so many times, which is why a kid should never have coaches as their #1 reason for committing to a school, because it's one of the major things they can't control
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Whats really sad is this is just not College Football or NFL when we talk about loyalty. This is the way of the world now.... What have you done for me lately? If you don't produce every second your gone.
I'd like to believe the corporations that use this philosophy are the same ones that only care about selling their trademark and the all mighty dollar.
The ones that are loyal usually end up on top for a substantial amount of time because their not worried about a quick dollar.
I'd like to believe the corporations that use this philosophy are the same ones that only care about selling their trademark and the all mighty dollar.
The ones that are loyal usually end up on top for a substantial amount of time because their not worried about a quick dollar.
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Well, I do agree that making empty promises is dirty. I've promised myself to always keep my integrity. I'm hoping I can be as successful as I want (multiple NCs as the HC of ND haha), but I know it won't be easy. I'll make sure when I'm recruiting, I'll let kids know not to go to a school just for a coach.
And you're good bro, no offense taken. I didn't read your whole post when I first posted it so it was my bad. I agree with your sentiment that most coaches are indeed like used cars salesmen. It's just that successful coaches are often successful because they have their own goals that are driving them which consequently leads them to dipping on players and teams.
I hope to be able to develop a relationship with my players that when I do move on, they are proud of me and happy to have spent the time together that we did rather than feel betrayed.
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ISD premium content: OL commits react to Warriner news
Could someone do a recap if there hasn't been one already?
Could someone do a recap if there hasn't been one already?
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He is not excited about all the changes.
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Feels like the rug was pulled out from under him b/c his recruiting coach, position coach, and OC from the time he committed are gone.
Doesn't sound promising at this point, but Coach Martin is supposed to visit on Wednesday so hopefully that visit calms some of his concerns and reminds him of the larger reasons why he chose ND.
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Sounds like he's trying to justify getting out of dodge to all of us. We'll all know if he's full of crap or not if/when he ends up at Posu and he's asked to elaborate on his comment that he feels that the rug was pulled out from under him. Why reward the two gentlemen who supposedly undermined your commitment to ND yet you're jumping right back in bed with them at another school? That would be a fun interview.
--end of scenario--Hope he stays committed but it's starting to sound like this was in the works for at least a short while.
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--Hypothetical Scenario--
Sounds like he's trying to justify getting out of dodge to all of us. We'll all know if he's full of crap or not if/when he ends up at Posu and he's asked to elaborate on his comment that he feels that the rug was pulled out from under him. Why reward the two gentlemen who supposedly undermined your commitment to ND yet you're jumping right back in bed with them at another school? That would be a fun interview.
Hope he stays committed but it's starting to sound like this was in the works for at least a short while.
And what are the odds of Warinner staying at OSU for all of Decker's 5 years given that presumably he wants to be an OC? Heck, never mind, neither one of these coaches would be his position coach at OSU anyway. And he'll have an unfamilar OC there too, so yeah I would love to hear his response to your hypothetical.
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--Hypothetical Scenario--
Sounds like he's trying to justify getting out of dodge to all of us. We'll all know if he's full of crap or not if/when he ends up at Posu and he's asked to elaborate on his comment that he feels that the rug was pulled out from under him. Why reward the two gentlemen who supposedly undermined your commitment to ND yet you're jumping right back in bed with them at another school? That would be a fun interview.
Hope he stays committed but it's starting to sound like this was in the works for at least a short while.
This is an excellent point and, in my mind, the proper way to look at the situation. I just don't know how much confidence I have in 17/18 year old kids to see things so clearly and logically. I don't know Taylor from a hole in the wall, but I believe that if he is an ND type of kid he will figure it out, and if not he won't. At the end of the day he'll end up where he needs to be.
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i agree...he seemed like when he committed that he committed bcuz he loves ND more than he was in love with the coaches recruiting him, much like steve elmer in the 2013 class.