'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[rtrn2glory]

if you think he could make a 10 yard out cut from the opposite hash to the sideline please mail me what you're smoking.

 

[DillonHall]

No one can argue against it, but neither can anyone argue for it........ unless you attended all of the practices, the meetings, and were privvy to the academic reports. It might not be as easy as everyone would like to think it is. It rarely is.

Fine, I'll argue for it. I don't have to be at any of the practices to see that Tommy Rees has too many weaknesses to lead ND to a national championship. So why did Kelly insist on continuing to play Rees? Just because he was the most prepared to lead the team to a mediocre 8-5 season? Kelly should have been less short-sighted and given more opportunity to the more talented Crist and Hendrix if he ha intentions of building for the future. This was especially true when we started the season 0-2 and a BCS berth was out the window.

When we start next season, we'll be in the same place for the third straight year- a new QB starter. Hindsight is 20/20, but how can you not see that Kelly screwed up and wasted a season of QB development?

 

[kmoose]

Fine, I'll argue for it. I don't have to be at any of the practices to see that Tommy Rees has too many weaknesses to lead ND to a national championship.

So if a guy can't lead you to a NC, then he shouldn't start? That's the benchmark you are setting? Good luck with that. You'll be dead of a stroke before you're 30.

You don't have to be at practices to know that Rees has weaknesses. But your premise is not that Rees has weaknesses. Your premise is that Kelly bolloxed up the QB position by playing Rees despite those weaknesses. That assumes that the other QBs would have been more successful. And to make that assumption, you DO have to have been at practices, to see what weaknesses the other QBs have, or don't have.

 

[Irishpinoy]

So if a guy can't lead you to a NC, then he shouldn't start? That's the benchmark you are setting? Good luck with that. You'll be dead of a stroke before you're 30.

You don't have to be at practices to know that Rees has weaknesses. But your premise is not that Rees has weaknesses. Your premise is that Kelly bolloxed up the QB position by playing Rees despite those weaknesses. That assumes that the other QBs would have been more successful. And to make that assumption, you DO have to have been at practices, to see what weaknesses the other QBs have, or don't have.

Some people perform better during actual games than practices. But we'll never know that now. They never got a chance.

 

[DillonHall]

So if a guy can't lead you to a NC, then he shouldn't start? That's the benchmark you are setting? Good luck with that. You'll be dead of a stroke before you're 30.

You don't have to be at practices to know that Rees has weaknesses. But your premise is not that Rees has weaknesses. Your premise is that Kelly bolloxed up the QB position by playing Rees despite those weaknesses. That assumes that the other QBs would have been more successful. And to make that assumption, you DO have to have been at practices, to see what weaknesses the other QBs have, or don't have.

Yeah, I don't understand the point of playing a QB who will never be able to win a NC. And thanks for the concern, but why don't you leave the medical diagnoses to me?

As for your second paragraph, I disagree with the assumption. I don't care if Hendrix made more mistakes and we won only 6-7 games (though I think we would have won 8 games no matter who was the starting QB). Once we lost the first two games of the season, Kelly should have focused on preparing for the long-term QB situation.

 

[kmoose]

Yeah, I don't understand the point of playing a QB who will never be able to win a NC. And thanks for the concern, but why don't you leave the medical diagnoses to me?

As for your second paragraph, I disagree with the assumption. I don't care if Hendrix made more mistakes and we won only 6-7 games (though I think we would have won 8 games no matter who was the starting QB). Once we lost the first two games of the season, Kelly should have focused on preparing for the long-term QB situation.

*shrugs* It's your life, if you want to add more stress than you need, go for it.

Yes, he should have started Golson or Hendrix against Michigan State. After all, Rees looked horrible and we got killed in that game!

 

[DillonHall]

*shrugs* It's your life, if you want to add more stress than you need, go for it.

Yes, he should have started Golson or Hendrix against Michigan State. After all, Rees looked horrible and we got killed in that game!

Don't worry, I love ND and ND football, but there are many more important things in my life.

I don't know why all the Rees supporters refer to MSU considering he did poorly in that game. And ND was FAVORED to win the game.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Fine, I'll argue for it. I don't have to be at any of the practices to see that Tommy Rees has too many weaknesses to lead ND to a national championship. So why did Kelly insist on continuing to play Rees? Just because he was the most prepared to lead the team to a mediocre 8-5 season? Kelly should have been less short-sighted and given more opportunity to the more talented Crist and Hendrix if he ha intentions of building for the future. This was especially true when we started the season 0-2 and a BCS berth was out the window.

When we start next season, we'll be in the same place for the third straight year- a new QB starter. Hindsight is 20/20, but how can you not see that Kelly screwed up and wasted a season of QB development?

Have you read any Irish boards the past day??? At Notre Dame, YOU CANNOT PLAY FOR NEXT YEAR. It sucks, but that's the way it is. We lost yesterday, barely, and people are flipping the hell out. Like suicide-watch style. And you're going to sit here and ask Kelly not to try to put his team in his best position to win TODAY? Seriously?

I can understand if a coach said, "Let's just play Hendrix and Golson, let them eff the hell up and get their kinks out and learn on the job. Rees knows the offense a million times better, but no one really expects us to win and no one is really watching, so let's just go with the guys that will make us better in 2013." Yup, I could understand that...if that coach was coaching Rutgers or Louisville or New Mexico. Unfortunately, this is Notre Dame, and our fan base is win-now and win-tomorrow and win-later fan base.

So while what you're saying makes sense, it's simply not plausible. I think Kelly could have played Hendrix a little bit more in those blow-outs (but then again, many people were screaming for him to play Crist in those situations), but there is no way he could have started Hendrix against teams like Pitt or Wake or BC or hell, maybe even Air Force. He wasn't ready. And Kelly couldn't afford to lose those games, for the sake of this year's team and the sake of recruiting.

You just can't do that at ND, b/c our fan base is too insane...

 

[kmoose]

Don't worry, I love ND and ND football, but there are many more important things in my life.

I don't know why all the Rees supporters refer to MSU considering he did poorly in that game. And ND was FAVORED to win the game.

He was 18/26(69.2%) for 161 yards, 1TD, 1INT. That's not fantastic, but it's certainly not "poor" when you take into account that Michigan State was a Top 5 defense. I can't speak for Hendrix, but I'm pretty certain that a good part of the reason that Golson didn't see any action early in the season was his size. 6'0", 185 lbs is way too small to be a running QB at the D-IA level. He would have gotten killed. I think Kelly was absolutely right to give Golson this year to bulk up and just learn the playbook.

 

[DillonHall]

I get what you're saying, LA, but Kelly's a very confident coach who came in predicting multiple championships. I'm sure he has the support of Swarbrick and Fr. Jenkins. He has to ignore the fanbase and do what's best for the program in order to reach the goal of winning those predicted championships. He shouldn't change his methods just because there's more pressure at ND. He needs to have confidence in the methods that have gotten him to this point in his coaching career. Otherwise, the spotlight is obviously too bright for him at ND, and he should just resign.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Havent read anything but the posts on the page recently but....

1. BK was in a place where:
A. Crist wasnt the answer for the present or future
B. Hendrix wasn't ready to be a starter
C. Golson wasn't ready to be a starter
D. Rees showed he had confidence and was there mentally.

2. He had to go with Rees. Had to take a chance he would progress this year, and show that he could play at a high level. There were flashes, but clearly he is not the answer.

3. Hendrix is in a tough spot just with the circumstances.

4. Golson is the future. Plain and Simple.

5. We have a bright future from what I have heard

 

[kmoose]

Kelly's a very confident coach who came in predicting multiple championships.

Did he really predict multiple championships? I recall him saying that we should fire him if he didn't have one in, what, 5 years? But I don't recall him ever saying, "We are going to win multiple championships at ND".

 

[DillonHall]

Did he really predict multiple championships? I recall him saying that we should fire him if he didn't have one in, what, 5 years? But I don't recall him ever saying, "We are going to win multiple championships at ND".

Geez, you like to nitpick.

Brian Kelly on The Huge Show: Fans' high expectations for Notre Dame not unrealistic | MLive.com

 

[Irish Insanity]

Isn't this the Golson thread?


















Lets keep it that way.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Have you read any Irish boards the past day??? At Notre Dame, YOU CANNOT PLAY FOR NEXT YEAR. It sucks, but that's the way it is. We lost yesterday, barely, and people are flipping the hell out. Like suicide-watch style. And you're going to sit here and ask Kelly not to try to put his team in his best position to win TODAY? Seriously?

I can understand if a coach said, "Let's just play Hendrix and Golson, let them eff the hell up and get their kinks out and learn on the job. Rees knows the offense a million times better, but no one really expects us to win and no one is really watching, so let's just go with the guys that will make us better in 2013." Yup, I could understand that...if that coach was coaching Rutgers or Louisville or New Mexico. Unfortunately, this is Notre Dame, and our fan base is win-now and win-tomorrow and win-later fan base.

So while what you're saying makes sense, it's simply not plausible. I think Kelly could have played Hendrix a little bit more in those blow-outs (but then again, many people were screaming for him to play Crist in those situations), but there is no way he could have started Hendrix against teams like Pitt or Wake or BC or hell, maybe even Air Force. He wasn't ready. And Kelly couldn't afford to lose those games, for the sake of this year's team and the sake of recruiting.

You just can't do that at ND, b/c our fan base is too insane...

Could not agree more

 

[tadman95]

Anybody know if he is practicing with the BB team? I know he wanted to try anyway when he chose Notre Dame.

 

[rtrn2glory]

if he's truly serious about starting at QB next fall, he better be focusing 100% on football.

 

[tadman95]

if he's truly serious about starting at QB next fall, he better be focusing 100% on football.

Yea, that's what I'm thinking, or hoping.

 

[jimmymac]

Just watched his highschool tape again. I'm completely sold that he will be the qb for this year. Very impressive.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Just watched his highschool tape again. I'm completely sold that he will be the qb for this year. Very impressive.

you may be right, but keep the bold in mind

 

[CraigKrenzel]

The fact that he uses the Last of the Mohicans theme song in his senior video is what sold me. Epic.

 

[ND NYC]

anyone catch the graphic last nights game about i think it was of the last 10 NC games that sophs started in like 6 of them?
(i chose to forget that they all lost the NC game they played in but still)...mccarron was a soph and he won it all last night.

cmon Golson lets do this! and if he cant get it done Hendroix needs to get rolling.

lets all take a pledge not to give either him or hendrix any quarter b/c they are "sophomores" or "underclassmen" next year. its no excuse. learn the damn system and execute it. plenty of time to learn it. lets go!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

lets all take a pledge not to give either him or hendrix any quarter b/c they are "sophomores" or "underclassmen" next year. its no excuse. learn the damn system and execute it. plenty of time to learn it. lets go!

Let's declare war on our own players!

 

[ND NYC]

Let's declare war on our own players!

LOL maybe i didnt word it quite right

what im saying is: if you got it you got it and should have it in year 2 dont want any built in excuses like "oh well we have a first yr qb in there blablabla lets wait till next year" guess what next yrs dont come all we have is NOW.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

if he's truly serious about starting at QB next fall, he better be focusing 100% on football.

Agreed. I spoke with Quinn Buckner (one of three players to win a championship on every level) about his college experience one time. He played basketball and football at IU. He said something that immediately made me think of Golson. He said he spoke with coach Knight one day about playing both sports. Coach Knight said "I have no problem with you playing both. You will continue to be a very good player in both sports. But if you continue to play both sports you will never be GREAT at either." That's when he decided to focus entirely on bball and go on to be a great. I hope Golson sticks 100% with football and becomes GREAT!

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

wont golson be referred to as a redshirt Freshman and not a sophmore by announcers? thats mostly what i recall hearing when hendrix was in

 

[rtrn2glory]

ND doesn't use the term "redshirt"

 

[pkt77242]

Let's declare war on our own players!

Isn't that what people did to Rees?

 

[Buster Bluth]

ND doesn't use the term "redshirt"

True, but Notre Dame needs a unique term of their own then to describe the practice, perhaps "greenshirt" haha. Because it is, for all intents and purposes, redshirting the player.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Isn't that what people did to Rees?

Pointing out a kids lack of athletic ability isn't declaring war.