'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

Irishnuke

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hmmm, apparently he felt this was "God's plan for him."

U mad bro? Why trash the kid because he didn't pick ND? You know how many other kids had offers and didn't pick ND? We had well over 100 offers out there this year and so far 16 have picked ND. Are you going to every other recruit's page and spewing the same BS? You don't think Gunner could have prayed about his decision and still picked LSU?

I really should have stopped reading this thread as soon as I saw he committed. Recruiting really brings out the worst in our fanbase. Let it go people.
 
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In the wise words of TT...."He Gone" put him in the rear view mirror and just move on.....please
 

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U mad bro? Why trash the kid because he didn't pick ND? You know how many other kids had offers and didn't pick ND? We had well over 100 offers out there this year and so far 16 have picked ND. Are you going to every other recruit's page and spewing the same BS? You don't think Gunner could have prayed about his decision and still picked LSU?

I really should have stopped reading this thread as soon as I saw he committed. Recruiting really brings out the worst in our fanbase. Let it go people.

Not mad at all. Just an observation; personally, I thought the reasons for going to LSU I listed were all pretty good reasons to go. As my original post was deleted, I won't go into any more detail on what was more a philosophical observation than one directly Gunner Kiel related. He just happened to explain his decision in a way that peeved me, the decision itself is all his (certainly not mine to judge.)

edit: I should add that everything else he said in the article I linked to impressed me greatly. Seems very humble and like he'd be a great addition to any locker room. Pretty happy with the talent we have at QB, so I'm not too worried about this, but he would only have helped the program.
 
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I don't really have a problem with this. I don't know why BK wants a QB every year. Let's say we get a QB and he redshirts. Let's also assume that Everett Golson becomes the QB we want him to be. That would leave the QB from this year one year to play. It creates an unnecessary logjam at a position where consistency is of ultimate importance. I have no doubt Gunner will tear it up at LSU. This is the first time Les has a QB of this caliber, can't wait to see what they do.
 

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LSU huh? Well, best of luck kid.

Is it true you can major in noodling at LSU?
 

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OMG people. Move on and wisht the kid well. Gunner tried to handle things with class. I wish him luck and will move on to the remining guys we are chasing.
Go IRISH!!
 

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Too bad. He would have been great to have, if nothing else for the momentum he'd give us recruiting for the next month. But it's hard to begrudge a kid who's got a half-decent shot to be the starting quarterback for the defending national champions next season. Especially with the competition he'd be walking into at ND. We'll be all right.
 

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Also, frankly, it'll be nice not to have people chanting "Gunner" the first time Rees/Hendrix/Golson throws a pick next year.
 
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I don't really have a problem with this. I don't know why BK wants a QB every year. Let's say we get a QB and he redshirts. Let's also assume that Everett Golson becomes the QB we want him to be. That would leave the QB from this year one year to play. It creates an unnecessary logjam at a position where consistency is of ultimate importance. I have no doubt Gunner will tear it up at LSU. This is the first time Les has a QB of this caliber, can't wait to see what they do.

I'm going to take a stab at his reasoning. QB is such an important position, you can't afford to miss on it. Not if you aspire to play in BCS bowl games like the Irish do. Therefore, you take a QB every class to increase your odds of getting a 'hit.' Charlie didn't recruit a QB in 2009 but then we recruited 3 (including Massa) in 2010. This created depth problems as we didn't have anyone behind Dayne who could play until halfway through Kelly's first year. While recruiting a QB every year may create a "logjam," it allows for quality depth and experience and adds to the "next man in" mentality.
 

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Also, frankly, it'll be nice not to have people chanting "Gunner" the first time Rees/Hendrix/Golson throws a pick next year.

oh dont worry, when Golson throws his first pick next year theyll just be chanting "Fuller!"
 

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Kiel would have been a very nice recruit to land. He had the potential to beat out Hendrix and Golson. Even if he did not, we would know that we had a starter who was better than the #1 qb prospect in the country. It is not a position of extreme need so it does not hurt to much so it all good.

I don't think anybody should feel put out by Kiel's actions. He looked at his options and made what he feels is the best decision for him. I am pretty sure Gunner Kiel expects to be an NFLer so the relative value of an LSU and ND degrees were probably not that important to him. LSU is one of the top teams in the most highly respected conference in the country so, I am pretty sure he will get the attention he needs. LSU has produced a #1 draft pick qb only a few of years ago so they can obviously develop talent down there. Best of luck to him.
 

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I'm amazed this is still at the top..

Well F!!! I didn't help it any!
 

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Done. Best of luck. Auf Wiedersehen. Hare Krishna.....next!
Glad this is over-too much space used on this great site. Best of luck to the kid/stay healthy/etc. If your not a Notre Dame guy you're are better off somewhere else. One guy is not going to make or break a program and Notre Dame will get quality QBs to fill the void. I understand the value of top notch talent but there is no way to tell in 3/4 years who is going to acheive excellance.
 

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I think the thing that I really don't understand is why any young man capable of thinking out beyond five years would ever commit to an SEC school not named 'Vanderbilt' or possibly 'Florida' when he had the option to go to a school where a degree was at the minimum worth the paper it was printed on. Just for fun I was looking up the majors of kids in the SEC championship game as they were mentioned by the commentators. I got through twelve kids before I saw one that wasn't majoring in "general studies." At least if a recruit commits to Michigan, or to Northwestern, or even Ohio State, there's some degree of potential for them to get a good education if they want it. The coach is committing to give them a scholarship for the years it takes for them to earn their degree and isn't going to take it from them just because the next best thing comes along. I understand that some kids don't want to go to the toughest academic school around. That's perfectly understandable. Stanford and Notre Dame are not for everyone. However, I would not hire an LSU general studies major to pump my gas. The NFL isn't a sure thing, and even if it were, the ultimate bankruptcy rate of NFL players is astounding. I get that LSU is winning right now. I understand that they have achieved this without a world beater at QB, and that Kiel has strong potential to be just such a world beater. But as they say, it's not a four year decision, it's a forty. And this is a decision I do not get.
Bravo to this comment. Its right on the $$$$-or should I say right on the SEC!
 

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Bravo to this comment. Its right on the $$$$-or should I say right on the SEC!

...big, well-funded school, the potential for a solid degree is there. Chances are if Kiel looked at ND, he will take academics pretty seriously, and the opportunity is there at LSU.

Kiel sounds like a good QB...sounds like a real good kid. Sounds like he'll do well wherever he goes...like alot of kids. I remember his dad's playing days, and thought he was a pretty classy guy. I wish Jr. all the best.

However, to get too hung up on a specific name is to ignore the importance of Kelly. He'll get an excellent prospect with more talent than he ever got at Cincy...yet again, and he'll begin the project just like with Hendrix and Golson. This year and next, we'll get top flight QBs. Somewhere in that mix we'll field a kid, when its his time, and he'll scare the hell out of defenses...he'll have weapons all over the field, and know how to disect a defense, and he'll rip their heart out. This is what Kelly does...
 

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Another thread listed 5* QBs of the past decade or so and about 2/3rds of them ended up in the NFL with Crist being the only real "flop" of the bunch. Pretty good odds of a big paycheck. The SEC allows you to focus 110% on your NFL degree. Hard to fault a kid for picking LSU or Alabama if their goal is the NFL and they are willing to go all-in on that bet.

However, I would take one look at Dayne Crist and ask myself what happens if I blow out a couple of knees.
 

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dayne has a chance with a good year at kansas next year to get a shot imo...he's got all the physical tools the nfl drools over
 
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Kiel being gone is a major disappointment for any ND fan.

But he gone. (thanks TT)
 

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What are the chances we can get people to just posting in this thread and get it off the front page? Gunner is not coming to ND, which sucks, but good lord no need to keep rubbing salt in the wound.
 

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Another thread listed 5* QBs of the past decade or so and about 2/3rds of them ended up in the NFL with Crist being the only real "flop" of the bunch. Pretty good odds of a big paycheck. The SEC allows you to focus 110% on your NFL degree. Hard to fault a kid for picking LSU or Alabama if their goal is the NFL and they are willing to go all-in on that bet.

However, I would take one look at Dayne Crist and ask myself what happens if I blow out a couple of knees.

Mitch Mustain was on that list and he was a flop.
 
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Somebody, please just do this to the thread already:

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hope he is reading the LSU message board, they are treating jordan jefferson worse than you guys treat tommy reese on their
 
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