"ND Players are Quitters" - Galippo

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OK, I mean I guess that is fair. But I'm sure there is an actual reason why they didn't feel it was worth it. Especially with their kicker injured and having shanked a FG before. Even with USC deep into our territory, there was a chance to get the ball back with a couple minutes left down two scores. I'd love to hear an explanation.

Clashmore Mike provided one.

Now lets's turn the tables, Rhode Island, YOU are ND's Head Coach so YOU call the time out where you felt Kelly should have with ND trailing 31-17. Here's the Play-by-play of the last 6 minutes and 43 seconds of the game. Southern Cal consumed all of it driving from the ND 49. Mark up your time outs!

Usc 1-10 at Nd49 USC drive start at 06:43.
Usc 1-10 at Nd49 McNeal, Curtis rush for 15 yards to the ND34, 1ST DOWN USC (SMITH, H.;SLAUGHTER).
Usc 1-10 at Nd34 McNeal, Curtis rush for 4 yards to the ND30 (SHEMBO).
Usc 2-6 at Nd30 McNeal, Curtis rush for 1 yard to the ND29 (FOX).
Usc 3-5 at Nd29 PENALTY ND personal foul off-setting, PENALTY USC personal foul off-setting.
Usc 3-5 at Nd29 McNeal, Curtis rush for 14 yards to the ND15, 1ST DOWN USC (GRAY, G.;SMITH, H.).
Usc 1-10 at Nd15 McNeal, Curtis rush for 2 yards to the ND13 (GRAY, G.).
Usc 2-8 at Nd13 McNeal, Curtis rush for 4 yards to the ND9 (FOX).
Usc 3-4 at Nd09 Timeout USC, clock 02:41.
Usc 3-4 at Nd09 McNeal, Curtis rush for 5 yards to the ND4, 1ST DOWN USC (NIX;FOX).
Usc 1-G at Nd04 McNeal, Curtis rush for loss of 2 yards to the ND6 (NIX;GRAY, G.).
Usc 2-G at Nd06 McNeal, Curtis rush for 2 yards to the ND4 (LYNCH;SLAUGHTER).
Usc 3-G at Nd04 McNeal, Curtis rush for 2 yards to the ND2 (TUITT;FLEMING).
Usc 4-G at Nd02 End of game, clock 00:00.
Drive: 10 plays, 47 yards, TOP 06:43

Note, on the first play (ala Clashmore's comments) Curtis ripped off 15 yds, FIRST DOWN.
On 3rd and 5, Curtis ripped off 14 yds, ANOTHER FIRST DOWN.
After a USC Timeout on 3rd and 4, with 2:41 remaining, Curtis ripped off a ANOTHER FIRST DOWN at ND 4, FIRST AND GOAL!
And about 2:30 remaing in the game, and note, USC burned up all of that going only 2 yds.

I'd love to call it an heroic goal line stand but considering that USC was 4-5 in the Red Zone already, 3 TDs, 1 FG made, 1 FG Missed and they had ground out 45 yds in 7 straight rushes (6.4 yds/carry) by the same RB, but they ran out the clock. They had FIRST AND GOAL at the 4 and ran the same RB till the clock expired. They still had another freaking down!

10 straight rushing plays by a single RB, that's a record. (ND's record is 8). Not a single pass by Southern Cal.

What was the point of ND calling a time out? To give USC the additional time to score.

Did you not watch the last 6:43? They gave the ball to the SAME guy. "YO, ND! Curtis is going to get the ball. Stop him if you can." ND stopped him ONE time for a loss. 10 carries, 47 yds, 4.7 ypc and 6:43 seconds consumed. 403 seconds. What do your 3timeouts achieve? Besides giving Curtis a breather?

OK coach, take that last 6:43 Play-by-play and insert your time outs. Now providing Kiffin doesn't use the time outs to rest his troops, then call Play Action which ND sucked on all night and sent Woods after Wood again, or had Barkley bootleg into the end zone, give me your plays now that ND has the ball on their own 2 with 30 seconds left. 98 yds away down 2 or 3 scores.

Do you send out Rees to throw "the bomb" when they drop 9 (and Floyd couldn't get away from one) or do you send in Hendrix to run the option read Air Force play with 13 laterals ala Stanford? Remember you used up your time outs "stopping" SC.

Step up "coach". Make the decisions you find so easy to chide. Call the time outs and set up your offensive drive.



I've seen Mark Green, Phil Carter, and Larry Conjar each run the ball 8 times. Holtz, Devine, and Parshegian did the same thing Kiffin did. It's meant to be a backbreaker. Leahy had Neil Worden do the same thing against #4 OU in '52. "Stop us if you can" ND couldn't. Harsh reality, USC let the clock run out.

Clashmore Mike nailed it.
 
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Did we ever get an answer on why we didn't use our timeouts, though? I avoided this board for a few days after the game, so maybe I missed it. But that didn't make much sense to me. It probably didn't matter, but I believe you play the game out.

He did it so that USC would not put up more points on the board. Had Kelly called a timeout, USC would have kicked a FG and put 3 more points on the board. Kelly knew it as did everyone in the stadium.

What else can you say, they ran the ball right up the gut at will on a supposedly above average run defense. The coaches and players wanted to get the hell out of there.
 

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Chris Galippo says "quitting is what Notre Dame is all about" You wasnt talkin that noise when Rob Hughes was runnin down your throat at USC
 

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Clashmore Mike provided one.

Now lets's turn the tables, Rhode Island, YOU are ND's Head Coach so YOU call the time out where you felt Kelly should have with ND trailing 31-17. Here's the Play-by-play of the last 6 minutes and 43 seconds of the game. Southern Cal consumed all of it driving from the ND 49. Mark up your time outs!



Note, on the first play (ala Clashmore's comments) Curtis ripped off 15 yds, FIRST DOWN.
On 3rd and 5, Curtis ripped off 14 yds, ANOTHER FIRST DOWN.
After a USC Timeout on 3rd and 4, with 2:41 remaining, Curtis ripped off a ANOTHER FIRST DOWN at ND 4, FIRST AND GOAL!
And about 2:30 remaing in the game, and note, USC burned up all of that going only 2 yds.

I'd love to call it an heroic goal line stand but considering that USC was 4-5 in the Red Zone already, 3 TDs, 1 FG made, 1 FG Missed and they had ground out 45 yds in 7 straight rushes (6.4 yds/carry) by the same RB, but they ran out the clock. They had FIRST AND GOAL at the 4 and ran the same RB till the clock expired. They still had another freaking down!

10 straight rushing plays by a single RB, that's a record. (ND's record is 8). Not a single pass by Southern Cal.

What was the point of ND calling a time out? To give USC the additional time to score.

Did you not watch the last 6:43? They gave the ball to the SAME guy. "YO, ND! Curtis is going to get the ball. Stop him if you can." ND stopped him ONE time for a loss. 10 carries, 47 yds, 4.7 ypc and 6:43 seconds consumed. 403 seconds. What do your 3timeouts achieve? Besides giving Curtis a breather?

OK coach, take that last 6:43 Play-by-play and insert your time outs. Now providing Kiffin doesn't use the time outs to rest his troops, then call Play Action which ND sucked on all night and sent Woods after Wood again, or had Barkley bootleg into the end zone, give me your plays now that ND has the ball on their own 2 with 30 seconds left. 98 yds away down 2 or 3 scores.

Do you send out Rees to throw "the bomb" when they drop 9 (and Floyd couldn't get away from one) or do you send in Hendrix to run the option read Air Force play with 13 laterals ala Stanford? Remember you used up your time outs "stopping" SC.

Step up "coach". Make the decisions you find so easy to chide. Call the time outs and set up your offensive drive.



I've seen Mark Green, Phil Carter, and Larry Conjar each run the ball 8 times. Holtz, Devine, and Parshegian did the same thing Kiffin did. It's meant to be a backbreaker. Leahy had Neil Worden do the same thing against #4 OU in '52. "Stop us if you can" ND couldn't. Harsh reality, USC let the clock run out.

Clashmore Mike nailed it.

Great post.
 

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Is there any way to close these quitting threads? Honestly - there is no winner and if I am a recruit checking out this site - I am seeing 10+ pages of whether ND quit or not. I am one of those screaming that ND should have called time out after 2nd and and goal - it did not happen, but reliving it over and over is not going to help anyone!!! just my 2 cents...
 
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Chris Galippo says "quitting is what Notre Dame is all about" You wasnt talkin that noise when Rob Hughes was runnin down your throat at USC

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Galippo your a #Clown... See you at your bowl game

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RT @Barry773chicity: @BCSmith58 LMAO! He's still got rob hughes d!ck imprinted on his forehead!!!
 

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BCSmith58 Brian Smith
Chris Galippo says "quitting is what Notre Dame is all about" You wasnt talkin that noise when Rob Hughes was runnin down your throat at USC

BCSmith58 Brian Smith
Galippo your a #Clown... See you at your bowl game

BCSmith58 Brian Smith
RT @Barry773chicity: @BCSmith58 LMAO! He's still got rob hughes d!ck imprinted on his forehead!!!

****ing awesome. Glad this didn't get closed before I got to see that.
 

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Why are so many people acting like this was equivalent to the 40 point thumpings of the last decade. We competed in this game, came back from a big deficit and then $hit in our helmet and pulled it firmly over our heads with a goal line fumble returned for a TD followed later by a TR INT into triple coverage.

To me, we beat ourselves more than other teams beat us. That is an improvement over being emmasculated for the last twenty years by teams with the talent that USC brought to town. We had to rely on winning the turnover battle to win against this type of team in years past where this team was able to make it a game despite zero turnovers forced.

My frustration is that we are so close to being good and it has been so long sense I really felt we could play with anyone on any given Saturday. My preseason call was for 10-3 mean with a normal distribution (12-1 and 8-5 being two standard deviations away from the mean). IMO - 9-4 looks probable here and the distribution tightens to not worse than 8-5 and obviously not better than 10-3. With some of the crap sandwiches we have fed ourselves, I am disappointed with this, but in the context of expectations we are on target.
 

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Agreed. The thing I will take from this season is not that we are back, but that we are on our way. By that, I mean that we re now clearly capable. The next step is actually doing it. Winning consistently is mostly talent, but also an attitude and a sense of confidence that you will win. That is the part we are lacking, but it can be developed. We need to do that in these last 6 games.
 
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