ESPN Midseason All-Americans

[koonja]

I agree Floyd should have been on the list. They put 2 receivers from high scoring offenses that have more touchdowns. The only category that either receiver has him beat in.

If stats matter to them, why not Robert Woods...

Floyd deserves to be on there. Absolute joke.

Also surprised Heggie didn't get honorable mention. He was pancaking people when he got in at center last game.

 

[irishog77]

If stats matter to them, why not Robert Woods...

Floyd deserves to be on there. Absolute joke.

Also surprised Heggie didn't get honorable mention. He was pancaking people when he got in at center last game.

2nd team

 

[FLDomer]

ESPN is so biased against Notre Dame it is painful to watch much of the time. Only Lou Holtz(totally in the tank-gotta love him for that) and to some extent Urban Meyer seems to give us a fair shake when he analyzes or when he commentates. None of the bonehead analysts ever point out how inherently difficult it is for ND to compete with the thug programs of LSU, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc. We graduate more players in one year than some of these schools graduate in a 4 year cycle. Its disgraceful, oh and Desmond Howard can blow me!

Your words are written so beautiful and so true! (tear)

 

[koonja]

ESPN is so biased against Notre Dame it is painful to watch much of the time. Only Lou Holtz(totally in the tank-gotta love him for that) and to some extent Urban Meyer seems to give us a fair shake when he analyzes or when he commentates. None of the bonehead analysts ever point out how inherently difficult it is for ND to compete with the thug programs of LSU, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc. We graduate more players in one year than some of these schools graduate in a 4 year cycle. Its disgraceful, oh and Desmond Howard can blow me!

To be fair, we've underachieved everytime we've gotten some attention in the past few years.

And they're a sports casting network, why would they care how hard it is to get into ND compared to LSU, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc. It wouldn't be wise for them to go online and bash (academically) those powerhouse programs, that's a lot of their market.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'm not saying definitely who is better either. I thought the question was asked who could be included on a second team or honorable mention list? That's really all I meant with Eifert, although his stats compare pretty well.

It was. I figured since we didn't have any make the list we could debate who we thought were good enough. I am surprised no one has mentioned any of our offensive linemen. We are running the ball extremely well and haven't given up a sack in the last two games.

 

[t3hjc]

Burfict is a beast. PERIOD. The best MLB in college. They is no yards after contact when he hits you and blows up plays in the backfield. .

Burfict is a tard. Probably the most undisciplined player in the country. ASU lets him freelance which is why he'll find his way into the backfield more than a normal linebacker, but what you don't see are all the times he puts himself out of position and makes the defense vulnerable because of that foolish aggressiveness. Throw in all the stupid personal foul penalties he routinely racks up and he might be as detrimental to that team as he is beneficial. He's not even a great tackler. He hits hard and he runs his mouth. That's the essence of his game.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Burfict is a tard. Probably the most undisciplined player in the country. ASU lets him freelance which is why he'll find his way into the backfield more than a normal linebacker, but what you don't see are all the times he puts himself out of position and makes the defense vulnerable because of that foolish aggressiveness. Throw in all the stupid personal foul penalties he routinely racks up and he might be as detrimental to that team as he is beneficial. He's not even a great tackler. He hits hard and he runs his mouth. That's the essence of his game.

This is so inaccurate. Burfict is a great tackler and will be a force in the NFL. To question his skill is farcical. Only flaw in his game is his maturity and discipline.

 

[t3hjc]

Burfict is a great tackler

He's not a great 'tackler', he's a killshot artist. He's routinely out of position and routinely misses his mark out in space. It's a consequence of poor technique, which should probably be expected when you play as reckless as he does. He has a coaching staff that has given him free reign and never bothered to stress discipline. I was intrigued with Burfict after last season, but the more you watch him, the more glaring the holes in his game are. He's definitely NOT the best middle linebacker in the country. I'm not even sure he's top five. I'd take Kuechly, Skov, and Te'o over him right off the top of my head.

 

[jason_h537]

People who say Burfict is overrated are letting their bias show. Guy is a big play LB who packs a punch

Also to those saying Te'o gets no love he is currently #7 on ESPN's draft board for next year. Floyd is 16

 

[Riddickulous]

People who say Burfict is overrated are letting their bias show. Guy is a big play LB who packs a punch

Also to those saying Te'o gets no love he is currently #7 on ESPN's draft board for next year. Floyd is 16

Absolutely.

Te'o has had a very good season, but he hasn't dominated on the level of an Upshaw or a Keuchly.

 

[Riddickulous]

If stats matter to them, why not Robert Woods...

Floyd deserves to be on there. Absolute joke.

Also surprised Heggie didn't get honorable mention. He was pancaking people when he got in at center last game.

He only has 4 TDs.

 

[koonja]

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[jason_h537]

Absolutely.

Te'o has had a very good season, but he hasn't dominated on the level of an Upshaw or a Keuchly.

Also got to remember Te'o has never been a "big play" guy so to speak but teams do gameplan around him. You dont see too many screens and reverses run against ND because he sniffs them out better than anyone in the country.

With that said Burfict is still a beast and the argument can be made by ASU fans that he is better and not sound foolish

 

[TDHeysus]

Burfict is a tard. Probably the most undisciplined player in the country. ASU lets him freelance ..... foolish aggressiveness. Throw in all the stupid personal foul penalties he routinely racks up and he might be as detrimental to that team as he is beneficial. He's not even a great tackler. He hits hard and he runs his mouth. That's the essence of his game.

to show how much of a DeltaBravo Burfict is, even USC couldnt get him in because of what a mess his academics were in coming out of high school(and im guessing Burfict did give a rats a.s.s about getting compliant either)....and this was BEFORE the sanctions came down, and during the time USC was at the height of all their debauchery they were up to; USC tried with all their might and even they couldnt get him in. Now take into account his attitude on the field and add that to the mix.

what did it for me is when he refused to come off the field when his coach was telling him to come off....i know of at least 2 times that has happened. Another time he yelled at his coaches from the field; throw in all the 15 yard penalties

....he has no respect for coaches, no respect for any other players on the field(he tries to injure everyone he tackles)....that dude is total complete DB.

there is a difference between 'knockin a dude's block off', and 'attempting to injure'.

Vontaze Burfict going after Matt Barkley's Knee - YouTube

 

[t3hjc]

People who say Burfict is overrated are letting their bias show. Guy is a big play LB who packs a punch

Having an opinion isn't bias. I'm not predisposed to not liking him. I just don't understand how anyone could watch an Arizona State game and simply overlook the constant string of boneheaded plays. Yeah, he can knock a guy's block off and he will have some success jumping the other team's snap count and plunging into the backfield, but that is all negated when you're prolonging drives with stupid penalties and taking yourself out of plays as a result of overaggressiveness. There's a lot more to a game of football than just the stuff that makes the highlights.

 

[BeauBenken]

Against USC I think Burfict had at least 2 offsides penalties. So boneheaded plays is right, but other than that the kid can play.

 

[BeauBenken]

Absolutely.

Te'o has had a very good season, but he hasn't dominated on the level of an Upshaw or a Keuchly.

I still don't understand this. Just looking at his stats the only impressive one is TFL. If anything they should categorize him as a DE as he spends 95+% of the time on the LOS. (Unless his play has changed from last year which if it has then his tackle number should be higher.)

I feel like Upshaw is getting a lot of the acknowledgement just because he is (like ESPN) says the leader of probably the best LB core in the nation which is part of probably the best defense in the nation.

And I just realized Te'o has just as many TFL.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Seems to me that the griping over "prejudices" or simple "boneheadedness" should be being laid at the feet of this guy Mark Schlabach, rather than ESPN generally. He wrote his opinions. I've ,contrary to this, found quite a lot of positive commentary about ND on that network this season. And the other citation about Te'o's and Floyd's draft speculative ranking indicates that Schlabach'e opinions here are probably his own.

Regarding our guys and post-season honors: I expect Floyd, Te'o, Eifert, ZMartin, Smith, and maybe even Blanton and Cave to get some mentions.

And the bottom line will really be when we have about eight guys make NFL rosters [which will be a number NOT including Manti, who will be back].

 

[rikkitikki08]

Dont sweat it fellas, if floyd, wood and manti keep putting up numbers they will be there at the end of the season.

 

[Riddickulous]

Dont sweat it fellas, if floyd, wood and manti keep putting up numbers they will be there at the end of the season.

No.

 

[rikkitikki08]

No.

Care to explain why not?

 

[koonja]

Care to explain why not?

Cierre's been awesome but there are a handful of better backs out there. Plus having an NFL-type back up in Jonas doesn't help Cierre's carries per game.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Cierre's been awesome but there are a handful of better backs out there. Plus having an NFL-type back up in Jonas doesn't help Cierre's carries per game.

Fair enough, i think wood easily gets over 1000 yards. Which in my opinion gets him 3rd team honors. Thanks for explaining boss man

 

[Riddickulous]

Fair enough, i think wood easily gets over 1000 yards. Which in my opinion gets him 3rd team honors. Thanks for explaining boss man

There were 48 players in the FBS last year that eclipsed 1,000 yards rushing. Wisconsin alone nearly had 3, Montee Ball was 4 yards short.

Wood is on pace for about 1,300 yards and 12 TDs. Maaaaaaaaaybe he could earn third team honors or honorable mention.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

LaMichael James, Trent Richardson, Marcus Lattimore, and Ray Graham are 4 good reasons. If Wood did this in the SEC, ESPN and CBS would be nutting all over him by now.

 

[irishtrain]

Silly stuff- but thats ok its espn (notice small caps). Floyd and Teo are All Americans boys any way you cut it!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

ND is well-represented on Phil Steele's mid-season All American team.

Eifert and Te'o on 1st Team. Floyd on the 2nd Team. Harrison Smith on the 3rd Team. Cierre, Z. Martin, Blanton and GAIII all earned Honorable Mention as well.

 

[t3hjc]

Bump. I got crap in here for criticizing Burfict and after having a disappointing season, he's now putting on one of the more embarrassing combine performances in recent memory.

 

[military_irish]

Bump. I got crap in here for criticizing Burfict and after having a disappointing season, he's now putting on one of the more embarrassing combine performances in recent memory.

Because he has big hits, that is about it.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Bump. I got crap in here for criticizing Burfict and after having a disappointing season, he's now putting on one of the more embarrassing combine performances in recent memory.

We weren't giving you crap about Burfict, we were giving you crap because we don't like people from New Haven. STAMFORD, CT! Woo