'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

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I havent read much online but what i have has not mentioned him and ND. Is ND even an option or just hope by some of you.

I personally see nothing that would make Kelly add another QB that will have no game time exp start of next year.
 
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Per my sources (uncle and cousins who coached/played with Gunner's older brothers Drew and Dusty) in Columbus, this isn't just lip service and GK is reconsidering his commitment to IU. He was quoted locally as saying he is still committed and looks for IU to pick it up after a string of losses to some PUTRID teams. But, in more private conversations, he isn't too sure on the Hoosiers if this trend of bad losses continues.

The other aspect of this is how many in IU nation (GK included) saw how their incumbent QB Ed Wright-Baker was performing. Baker was yanked for Gunner's older brother in the North Texas game and DK almost brought IU back for the win. Then, this week in practice, Wilson (for a few days) was going to stick with Baker at starting QB. But, then the GK decomittment rumors began to swirl and what do you know: Dusty Kiel starts at QB today for IU.

The certainty is that GK's not as solid as he once claimed to be. He's got his eyes open...but for the time being is still a Hoosier.
 
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He can run for a guy his size. If he wants to come to South Bend, I am all for it. I just dont want Golson's talent to go to waste
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If Golson is the more talented QB, then his talents won't go to waste. If he's not, then the team is better off with him on the bench.
 
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kmoose said:
If Golson is the more talented QB, then his talents won't go to waste. If he's not, then the team is better off with him on the bench.
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I also think that if Golson couldn't stave off Kiel, he wouldn't just sit on the bench. We would get him on the field in some capacity (most likely WR and kr/pr). Also, if for some reason we got a commitment from Kiel before the end of the season (not likely), we would probably see Golson this year.

I personally see Golson being an impact player on this team no matter what, even if didn't end up being behind center.
 
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Personally I like Golson better than Kiel as a HS qb. Once in college all bets are off. What they did in HS doesn't mean anything anymore. It would be good competition.
 
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do you really think Keil is that impatient to wait two years he would no the situation if he went to ND they could work together
 
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MacIrish75 said:
Per my sources (uncle and cousins who coached/played with Gunner's older brothers Drew and Dusty) in Columbus, this isn't just lip service and GK is reconsidering his commitment to IU. He was quoted locally as saying he is still committed and looks for IU to pick it up after a string of losses to some PUTRID teams. But, in more private conversations, he isn't too sure on the Hoosiers if this trend of bad losses continues.

The other aspect of this is how many in IU nation (GK included) saw how their incumbent QB Ed Wright-Baker was performing. Baker was yanked for Gunner's older brother in the North Texas game and DK almost brought IU back for the win. Then, this week in practice, Wilson (for a few days) was going to stick with Baker at starting QB. But, then the GK decomittment rumors began to swirl and what do you know: Dusty Kiel starts at QB today for IU.

The certainty is that GK's not as solid as he once claimed to be. He's got his eyes open...but for the time being is still a Hoosier.
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Good info. Please post more if you hear anything else.
 
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Personally I like Golson better than Kiel as a HS qb. Once in college all bets are off. What they did in HS doesn't mean anything anymore. It would be good competition.
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That's cool, if thats how you feel. I wonder if you would feel that way if Golson was playing for North Carolina and not ND though. The reason I say that is because Kiel is a lot more hyped and rated than Golson was. I dig Golson too, and think that he can do some awesome things, but from a recruiting standpoint, Kiel has the advantage.

Per Rivals:

Gunner Kiel - #1 QB, #15 overall recruit

Everett Golson - #15 QB, NR overall recruit

I totally agree with your sentiment though. Who would have guessed that Dayne Crist's career would have ended up the way it did? You just never know until they get onto the field. Having Golson and Kiel would certainly give us a good QB competition.
 
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That's cool, if thats how you feel. I wonder if you would feel that way if Golson was playing for North Carolina and not ND though. The reason I say that is because Kiel is a lot more hyped and rated than Golson was. I dig Golson too, and think that he can do some awesome things, but from a recruiting standpoint, Kiel has the advantage.

Per Rivals:

Gunner Kiel - #1 QB, #15 overall recruit

Everett Golson - #15 QB, NR overall recruit

I totally agree with your sentiment though. Who would have guessed that Dayne Crist's career would have ended up the way it did? You just never know until they get onto the field. Having Golson and Kiel would certainly give us a good QB competition.
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The only reason Golson wasn't a top 5 QB last year was his height (I even remember scouts from scouting services saying so)...which in college doesn't really mean anything if you can run 4.5 40. Also, Golson is passing first QB.
 
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The only reason Golson wasn't a top 5 QB last year was his height (I even remember scouts from scouting services saying so)...which in college doesn't really mean anything if you can run 4.5 40. Also, Golson is passing first QB.
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I wouldn't say that Gunner is a run first QB. He had 209 PA last year and 66 rushes. I'm not saying Golson wasn't pass first in HS (because he was), i'm just saying Gunner wasnt run first either.

As far as rushing styles styles, they are different as well. Golson is shifty in the mold of Denard Robinson, while Gunner is a power rusher ala Tim Tebow (take it easy fellas, i'm not comparing their skills sets, just style).

Finally, even if you ignore the height downgrade (which is silly, he is short after all), he would move up to maybe a high 4*? Gunner would still be rated higher, at least according to Scout and Rivals. Crikeys, Rivals compares Gunner to Peyton Manning (I wouldn't even go that far).

As I said though, I love Golson and think he is going to have a monster career at ND. From watching interviews and reading articles about him, he is also just an amazing person overall. So please don't take this as trying to dog him, i'm just trying to clear up some common misconceptions about Gunner that continue to be made on this thread.
 
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woolybug25 said:
I wouldn't say that Gunner is a run first QB. He had 209 PA last year and 66 rushes. I'm not saying Golson wasn't pass first in HS (because he was), i'm just saying Gunner wasnt run first either.

As far as rushing styles styles, they are different as well. Golson is shifty in the mold of Denard Robinson, while Gunner is a power rusher ala Tim Tebow (take it easy fellas, i'm not comparing their skills sets, just style).

Finally, even if you ignore the height downgrade (which is silly, he is short after all), he would move up to maybe a high 4*? Gunner would still be rated higher, at least according to Scout and Rivals. Crikeys, Rivals compares Gunner to Peyton Manning (I wouldn't even go that far).

As I said though, I love Golson and think he is going to have a monster career at ND. From watching interviews and reading articles about him, he is also just an amazing person overall. So please don't take this as trying to dog him, i'm just trying to clear up some common misconceptions about Gunner that continue to be made on this thread.
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I agree with what your saying. I like Gunner, no denying he is a great QB prospect. He can run, he has size, and he has a great arm. It was just a personal opinion. I just really like Golson as a young man and in BK's offense. I would be ecstatic if we can land Kiel... It would bring even more quality competition and talent to the position..
 
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The more competition, the better as it tends to bring the best outta someone.
 
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Don't see him decommiting, sounded pretty solid in an article today on 247. Knew IU was not going to be good this year and it doesn't bother him.

If he goes anywhere else it will be either 1) Bama 2) Oklahoma.

Wouldn't deny that he is still in contact with Bama.
 
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The recruiting ratings are overrated. Denard Robinson was not a top 10 recruit (in fact scout.com had him rated as a cornerback) If ratings were reliable Tommy Rees would never have seen the field. Golson has tremendous potential, his skill set matches Kelly's spread philosophy to a tee. I am excited to see he and Hendrix take some game snaps.
 
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Not ^this^ guy again.

If being a Hoosier cheerleader isn't enough to get you dismissed, having "kkk" in your name should be.
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I'm not a Hoosier cheerleader. Notre Dame is my favorite team. It'd just be nice to use my season tickets to see a few wins. Beating South Carolina St. is fun and all, but ND doesn't even need or want Gunner. I'm praying he stays.

HAHAHAHHA at the kkk comment. I keep getting banned for "being the same person" yet our IPs don't match and we aren't, but NDinLA doesn't know how to run IP Checks apparently. So I just make a new account with an extra 'k' at the end for the next time. And he also thinks I said "IE sucks" somewhere and that I hate it here, but that actually never happened at all.
 
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I'm not a Hoosier cheerleader. Notre Dame is my favorite team. It'd just be nice to use my season tickets to see a few wins. Beating South Carolina St. is fun and all, but ND doesn't even need or want Gunner. I'm praying he stays.

HAHAHAHHA at the kkk comment. I keep getting banned for "being the same person" yet our IPs don't match and we aren't, but NDinLA doesn't know how to run IP Checks apparently. So I just make a new account with an extra 'k' at the end for the next time. And he also thinks I said "IE sucks" somewhere and that I hate it here, but that actually never happened at all.
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soooo?
 
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JayRockkkk said:
I'm not a Hoosier cheerleader. Notre Dame is my favorite team. It'd just be nice to use my season tickets to see a few wins. Beating South Carolina St. is fun and all, but ND doesn't even need or want Gunner. I'm praying he stays.

HAHAHAHHA at the kkk comment. I keep getting banned for "being the same person" yet our IPs don't match and we aren't, but NDinLA doesn't know how to run IP Checks apparently. So I just make a new account with an extra 'k' at the end for the next time. And he also thinks I said "IE sucks" somewhere and that I hate it here, but that actually never happened at all.
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Dude, you're a loser. You talked **** about IE on another site, WHICH YOU READIILY ADMITTED, and you talked **** about me and other posters on THIS site. That's why you were banned. You were given a short vacation, and then you came back and started talking **** once again. You just can't help yourself. And now, of course, you;re back, under your 5th name. This has nothing to do with checking IPs correctly...you've been banned under this name with the extra k's every time have you not? We all know that you and your fake friend were one and the same, but you weren't banned for anything you did under that name. You were banned for what you did under YOUR name.

Let's not forget what you have said:

You are so easily trolled.
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Disagreement with mods = ban.
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Saying starting 13 weeks thats the fukin shiit and if you disagree you can suck a pimple-covered dik.
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And this was your last 3 posts...there were many more posts like this. And yet you blame me for YOU being banned 5 different times LOL. And all you had to do was take your punishment like a man and you would have been fine. Instead you cried with your little friend about how unfair it was for you to be banned for a day and the rest is history. Grow up, and come back when you are an adult. Or at least when you are not a troll, which you admitted that you are. Enjoy your Hoosiers...
 
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Wow. The man has spoken. Glad im not the only one who thinks that kid is a clown. I do enjoy reading his meaningless posts though.
 
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irishfan, Junkhead, NDinL.A., TerryTate, or whoever pulled the trigger, Thank You!
 
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Praise the Lord!! Now, I am hesitant to ask this, but would it be a good idea to get rid of these unhelpful posts from Gunner Kiel's thread??
 
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