Teo- Degree=Leaves for NFL

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Some have, but others are still guessing on every thread that mentions it, so I thought I would post this.
 

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Is there any indication that Te'o will be able to finish by May, 2012? Being an entire semester ahead of schedule would require some serious academic heroics, and I've never read anything about Te'o taking an overloaded schedule.
 

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Summer classes gives players the opportunity to get ahead of schedule a bit.
 

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Summer classes gives players the opportunity to get ahead of schedule a bit.

Players are typically scheduled to complete their studies in December of their 4th year (assuming no EE), so they can play their senior season, enter the draft, and still leave with a degree.

For Te'o to get his degree by May 2012, he'd have to be ahead of that schedule, which assumes summer school, by the 12-15 credits he'd take next fall, and however many credits a player typically takes in the summer. That seems like a tall order to me.
 
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Is there any indication that Te'o will be able to finish by May, 2012? Being an entire semester ahead of schedule would require some serious academic heroics, and I've never read anything about Te'o taking an overloaded schedule.
Realistically he would have to finish this semester. He would be going to the combine and training with a NFL prep school until the draft.
 

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Summer classes gives players the opportunity to get ahead of schedule a bit.

True, but they're also not taking a full load during the year either. 12 hours is what most of them take for both Spring and Fall semesters.
 

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If he gets his degree, he should get out of dodge and go to the NFL. I'd love to see him return, but he will be a graduate and it'd be foolish to turn down millions just to play another year for free at Notre Dame.
 

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If he gets his degree, he should get out of dodge and go to the NFL. I'd love to see him return, but he will be a graduate and it'd be foolish to turn down millions just to play another year for free at Notre Dame.

Yup. See: Matt Leinart. If he can graduate early, more power to him.
 

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Next year's schedule is brutal. Assuming he gets his degree early, what's his incentive to stay?

We need to figure out if graduating early is even possible for Te'o before we start arguing over incentives and how much he loves ND.

Te'o has a very high profile at ND. If he was overloading his schedule in order to graduate early, I'm sure there would be multiple articles out there about what a tremendous scholar he is. I've never read such an article, so it's probably safe to assume that he's on track to graduate in December 2012, as scheduled.
 

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We need to figure out if graduating early is even possible for Te'o before we start arguing over incentives and how much he loves ND.

Te'o has a very high profile at ND. If he was overloading his schedule in order to graduate early, I'm sure there would be multiple articles out there about what a tremendous scholar he is. I've never read such an article, so it's probably safe to assume that he's on track to graduate in December 2012, as scheduled.

I'm working on the assumption that it is correct (early graduation). I'm not saying it is, nor that I wish it is. I would LOVE for him to be a part of the inevitably NASTY defense that ND is going to put on the field next year. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
 

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Strange allusion to the concept that Te'o would be more likely to leave for NFL due to our brutal schedule next year. Running away from anything and Manti Te'o don't mix.
 

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Strange allusion to the concept that Te'o would be more likely to leave for NFL due to our brutal schedule next year. Running away from anything and Manti Te'o don't mix.

Bravado and machismo don't pay the bills. And let's not confuse a giant payday with staring down a 230 lb fullback headed his way...
 

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If he's projected as first round, then he should go, it's simple. If it were my child I would like them to have their degree to fall back on, but the money from a first round draft pick, properly invested, will last you for life. I think he has great parents and it's terrific for them to want him to get a degree, but there are advantages to leaving as well. It's a personal choice Manti will no doubt make with his family, and I'll wish him the best in whatever he decides. He's represented ND in an outstanding fashion, and he'll always be a favorite of mine, as much for his character off the field as his plays on it.
 
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I blame this whole potential situation on Tommy Rees. Crist would have never allowed Manti to get ahead of schedule towards graduation.
 
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If he's projected as first round, then he should go, it's simple. If it were my child I would like them to have their degree to fall back on, but the money from a first round draft pick, properly invested, will last you for life. I think he has great parents and it's terrific for them to want him to get a degree, but there are advantages to leaving as well. It's a personal choice Manti will no doubt make with his family, and I'll wish him the best in whatever he decides. He's represented ND in an outstanding fashion, and he'll always be a favorite of mine, as much for his character off the field as his plays on it.

True, but will the new NFL CBA influence that? These cats aren't making the same bread that kids 2,3,4 years ago were.
 

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True, but will the new NFL CBA influence that? These cats aren't making the same bread that kids 2,3,4 years ago were.

The same guaranteed money, no. Several million dollars, which is what that contract will be for, properly invested will last a life time. Te'o doesn't strike me as someone who will blow their rookie contract with no meaningful investments. That is of course an opinion on my part, but judging from Manti's character and his familial influence, I think it would be the case. It's all subjective for Manti, and he might want to come back for one more year, but I'm simply saying that not having the degree is not a huge deal if you're a first rounder with a head on your shoulders, which is how I'm pretty sure all of us view him. He did promise his parents he'd get his degree, so I think he actually won't be leaving if his parents don't say he can leave early. They also may realize the benefits of leaving when your stock can't get any higher and bless of on it.
 
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The same guaranteed money, no. Several million dollars, which is what that contract will be for, properly invested will last a life time. Te'o doesn't strike me as someone who will blow their rookie contract with no meaningful investments. That is of course an opinion on my part, but judging from Manti's character and his familial influence, I think it would be the case. It's all subjective for Manti, and he might want to come back for one more year, but I'm simply saying that not having the degree is not a huge deal if you're a first rounder with a head on your shoulders, which is how I'm pretty sure all of us view him.

Someone get me his number....I'll take care of him..;)
 
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The same guaranteed money, no. Several million dollars, which is what that contract will be for, properly invested will last a life time. Te'o doesn't strike me as someone who will blow their rookie contract with no meaningful investments. That is of course an opinion on my part, but judging from Manti's character and his familial influence, I think it would be the case. It's all subjective for Manti, and he might want to come back for one more year, but I'm simply saying that not having the degree is not a huge deal if you're a first rounder with a head on your shoulders, which is how I'm pretty sure all of us view him. He did promise his parents he'd get his degree, so I think he actually won't be leaving if his parents don't say he can leave early.

Agree completely.... Just throwing out another scenario not yet discussed. Thanks.
 

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Agree completely.... Just throwing out another scenario not yet discussed. Thanks.

Fo sho. It will impact those in the later rounds, hence the mass exodus of Juniors and redshirt Sophomores during the Clausen/Tate class. The guaranteed money is no longer astronomical, so that will deter more kids from leaving early, which I think is a good thing. First rounders will still get plenty, and maybe it will help some kids develop some financial responsibility. First round status in the NFL draft is not something to balk at. I have an incredible amount of respect for people who can turn it down for love of the game; Luck. That's why I've always loved college more, the passion of everyone. Sadly, it's turning into a business solely about money, and it saddens me.
 
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Fo sho. It will impact those in the later rounds, hence the mass exodus of Juniors and redshirt Sophomores during the Clausen/Tate class. The guaranteed money is no longer astronomical, so that will deter more kids from leaving early, which I think is a good thing. First rounders will still get plenty, and maybe it will help some kids develop some financial responsibility. First round status in the NFL draft is not something to balk at. I have an incredible amount of respect for people who can turn it down; Luck.

Exactly... We're totally on the same page here.
 

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Even if he doesn't have it finished, I'm sure like previous juniors who have left (Tate, Clausen, and Rudolph) he will promise to return and receive his degree.
 

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Even if he doesn't have it finished, I'm sure like previous juniors who have left (Tate, Clausen, and Rudolph) he will promise to return and receive his degree.

Pretty sure Jimmy got his? He was an EE and I think at his final PC they asked about it and he said he was on track to have it before he left. But yea, there are plenty of ways to still get the degree, and after getting to the NFL, the players can invest back into the university by paying for their courses.
 

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Pretty sure Jimmy got his? He was an EE and I think at his final PC they asked about it and he said he was on track to have it before he left.

He came back and finished his degree this year. He didn't have it when he left.
 
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