Superconferences & Realignment

[GoldenIsThyFame]

This is what some B1G posters are saying on the main board over at 24/7:

I know we're going to be revisiting this issue a few more times in the next year or two. Unless ND decides to remain independent indefinitely, the BIG needs to make sure that if they ever do join a football Conference they join us.

It has been my belief for some time that Notre Dame is afraid to join the B1G due to the competition level. Not to mention their TV contract.

While Notre Dame would be a logical add to the B1G, I just don't see it happening. They think of themselves as an east coast school stuck here in Indiana. They would probably prefer to go to the ACC so they would at least have a shot at making a BCS game. In the B1G, I think they would end up having a tough time making because of the quality of the teams and the rivalries are more intense.

I think there was an article in the Chicago Tribune last year that cited a study which concluded that Notre Dame's per share revenue as a Big Ten member would exceed its revenue from NBC. Then again, it might not just be about revenue alone for the Domers. They're so hung up on their self-image of being a "national" school with being an independent in football (which is absolutely ridiculous).

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

It has been my belief for some time that Notre Dame is afraid to join the B1G due to the competition level.

No more credibility for him.. if he had any to begin with.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Can't wait to give those a-holes the finger when we pick the ACC over them. #notB1GenoughforND

 

[ohara831]

No one is leaving the ACC since they raised the buyout to $20 mil. I think ND will think very hard about it, but I think they announce they will go to the ACC very soon. If they wait too long, other teams will take the space left. And since the word seems to be they prefer the ACC, the time to dictate your terms and act is now. Superconferences will take away the ability for ND to schedule meaningful games against quality opponents, and then we'd be screwed. Cannot see the Administration letting that happen.

 

[tadman95]

I think Texas joining the ACC (Atlantic Coast Conference)would be pretty funny because it would be the most geographically idiotic move ever.

TCU to the Big East?

 

[Grahambo]

Someone should point this out, USATODAY.com.

Sagarin Rankings by Conference:

CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 80.63 80.66 ( 1) 12 80.65 ( 1)
2 BIG 12 (A) = 79.83 80.12 ( 2) 10 80.05 ( 2)
3 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 76.90 76.04 ( 4) 12 76.32 ( 4)
4 PAC-12 (A) = 76.84 76.81 ( 3) 12 76.84 ( 3)
5 BIG TEN (A) = 75.89 75.03 ( 6) 12 75.25 ( 5)
6 BIG EAST (A) = 74.04 75.03 ( 5) 8 74.91 ( 6)


Depending on how you look at it, the ACC is technically (according to Sagarin) the tougher conference compared to the B1G.

 

[IrishGiant]

I think Texas joining the ACC (Atlantic Coast Conference)would be pretty funny because it would be the most geographically idiotic move ever.

Yeah that would be like having an NFL team in Dallas play in the NFC East. Oh wait.....

:smilewink

 

[phork]

I think Texas joining the ACC (Atlantic Coast Conference)would be pretty funny because it would be the most geographically idiotic move ever.

So says TCU to the BigEast.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Missouri has been extended the presumed last invite to join the SEC per the KC Star.

#notB1GenoughforMizzou


I'll say a quiet prayer for Maty Mauk going against those defenses.

 

[condoms SUCk]

If ND goes to the ACC, if sure we can kiss our games with ALL the B1G teams goodbye, I think we could still schedule one or two of them but I think Jim Delany would be pissed he F off that there would be pressure on the B1G teams to end the games, just my opinion though.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If ND goes to the ACC, if sure we can kiss our games with ALL the B1G teams goodbye, I think we could still schedule one or two of them but I think Jim Delany would be pissed he F off that there would be pressure on the B1G teams to end the games, just my opinion though.

I may be in the minority here, but I would be A-OK not playing another B1G team during the regular season ever again.

 

[Grahambo]

Purdue - I don't care about playing them again.

UM - Only B1G I want to still play.

MSU - Overrated rivalry

That's about where it ends for the B1G.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Purdue - I don't care about playing them again.

UM - Only B1G I want to still play.

MSU - Overrated rivalry

That's about where it ends for the B1G.

I agree, and to be honest, even if Delany declares war on ND, I don't see the rivalry with UM getting suspended for long, if at all. There's so much bad blood between the schools... it makes for good TV.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Interesting...I thought Mizzu would be big 10 bound

 

[IrishLax]

Missouri has been extended the presumed last invite to join the SEC per the KC Star.

#notB1GenoughforMizzou


I'll say a quiet prayer for Maty Mauk going against those defenses.

You mean the two or three actually good defenses in the SEC? Or the other 10 very average ones + the SEC mandatory 3 OOC cupcake games?

 

[Wolverine1997]

ND to the ACC is very unlikely IMO. But if it happens, it was nice while our series lasted. If that were to happen I'm 90% sure AD Dave Brandon wouldn't schedule you guys anymore. Thus, another possible 35 year hiatus due to cold feelings.

 

[irishtrinity]

if any thing big ten....

 

[Whiskeyjack]

ND to the ACC is very unlikely IMO.

Care to expound on that? We just burned through about 15 pages of thread establishing that, as reported, the ACC is indeed a much more attractive option for ND than the B1G.

If that were to happen I'm 90% sure AD Dave Brandon wouldn't schedule you guys anymore.

Why? How is a ND in the ACC any different from an independent ND as far as you're concerned?

#notB1GenoughforND

 

[nd1]

posted 2 hrs ago. sorry if already on here.


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[BGIF]

You don't think they would play Syracuse at Giants Stadium or at Yankee Stadium? We would still play Navy, and it would still be a rotating neutral site every other year...that is if they still had a football team.

Why would Syracuse give up a home game at the Dome for a hugh drop on revenue by in NYC? If both teams were in the same conference it might happen "for the good of the conference".

Why would Navy not have a football team?

 

[cowme]

Care to expound on that? We just burned through about 15 pages of thread establishing that, as reported, the ACC is indeed a much more attractive option for ND than the B1G.



Why? How is a ND in the ACC any different from an independent ND as far as you're concerned?

#notB1GenoughforND

Cuz joining the ACC would be a huge "F you" to the Big Ten after decades of courting. I wouldn't be shocked if the UM and MSU games go on a long hiatus if this transpires..

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Why would Syracuse give up a home game at the Dome for a hugh drop on revenue by in NYC? If both teams were in the same conference it might happen "for the good of the conference".

Why would Navy not have a football team?

I was talking more from a "for the good of the conference perspective." If ND were to join the ACC then I am betting they would like to tap the NYC market with games in the area.

The Navy comment was tongue in cheek given all the realignment and teams being "left out in the cold." I have no reason to believe Navy will not have a football team.

 

[irishtrinity]

Navy....
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan st.
BYE
USC.....
Nebraska
Boston college.....
Ohio st.
Penn st.
Purdue
Illinois
Texas

8 big ten 4 we pick i like the way that looks strong schedule rivals, and a championship..

 

[BGIF]

ND to the ACC is very unlikely IMO. But if it happens, it was nice while our series lasted. If that were to happen I'm 90% sure AD Dave Brandon wouldn't schedule you guys anymore. Thus, another possible 35 year hiatus due to cold feelings.

A Michigan boycott, deja vu all over again. In previous decades ND had to beat Michigan before you guys held your breath and turned blue.

Yost and Crisler live on.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Cuz joining the ACC would be a huge "F you" to the Big Ten after decades of courting. I wouldn't be shocked if the UM and MSU games go on a long hiatus if this transpires..

That'd be a reason for Delany to blackball us from playing anyone in the B1G. I'm not sure he even has the power to do that.

Still don't see why Michigan AD Dave Brandon would be personally offended if ND chose the ACC over the B1G. The scheduling and importance of the game wouldn't change at all for Michigan.

To be clear, I'd be thrilled if every B1G AD and fan takes it as a personal slap in the face when we pick the ACC over the B1G. Most of the fans probably will, after which they'll immediately label ND "sour grapes"; but I doubt the ADs will. They know how the game is played, and joining the B1G would be brand suicide for ND.

 

[BGIF]

I was talking more from a "for the good of the conference perspective." If ND were to join the ACC then I am betting they would like to tap the NYC market with games in the area.

The Navy comment was tongue in cheek given all the realignment and teams being "left out in the cold." I have no reason to believe Navy will not have a football team.

Got it.

 

[maizer]

Michigan fan here, I come in peace. I realize ND has every right to make the best choice, but I would like to ask some questions about the move, if noone minds. Any reply would be much appreciated.

1. Is ND not already somewhat different from the southeastern schools who wield power in the ACC, but also isolated in another part of the country? A perfect situation for misunderstandings and bad feelings to develop. Heck, look at PSU. PSU fits the B1G profile like a glove, and the vast majority of fans love the addition of PSU, and vice versa. Yet there are still undercurrents of complaining. In the ACC, the other schools may accuse ND of elitism, and it will be easy for ND to look down upon the schools who have much less tradition.

2. The argument that ND should go to the east coast because they are a 'national team' is shaky IMO. You become nationally followed by playing the biggest teams on prime time television, not because you travel to some big city. IMHO, not many outside of the Carolinas will care whether ND plays Wake, Duke or even Clemson and UNC in football past the first honeymoon year. But play Wisconsin or Michigan, OSU, PSU, Nebraska on ABC in the huge, rocking stadiums and you BECOME the national focus.

3. Academically, the B1G offers so much more. I'll admit, rankings wise the ACC has the B1G beat. No shame in admitting that. But merely being affiliated with a conference does nothing for your students. You have to be in something like the CIC that will help your school, your students, alumni, local economy, and eventually athletics as well.

4. Non football sports is a wash. I believe playing in the best conference in basketball is worth the risk of getting killed by the tough schedule. However, the B1G offers the best conference in hockey(albeit less important that basketball), and most importantly, the student athletes wouldn't have to suffer from long distant travel. This is, or should be a huge factor.

5. Recruiting. This I don't know I always thought recruits came to ND because of seeing you on national TV, not because you visited their state or something. Is it really that critical to visit Florida, the Carolinas, etc etc?

So hey, you've more than earned the right to do what you want. But at least in the B1G, you will be among peers befitting your tradition. Yost was an idiot in the past, and noone will make the same mistake again. While I like the ACC, they honestly are not there yet, at least in terms of football.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Navy....
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan st.
BYE
USC.....
Nebraska
Boston college.....
Ohio st.
Penn st.
Purdue
Illinois
Texas

8 big ten 4 we pick i like the way that looks strong schedule rivals, and a championship..

Please read the thread before trying to jump in mid-conversation with posts like this.

 

[Wolverine1997]

Why? How is a ND in the ACC any different from an independent ND as far as you're concerned?

Dave Brandon already openly said he wants to play more home games for more revenue. That 20 year (or however many it was) contract between Michigan and ND was never signed also. So there is a lot of suspicion about that series taking a longer break. ND going to the ACC would just be the out he'd be looking for to end that series and get one more home game a year.

The B1G is going to the 9-game schedule, so that'll be 4 B1G home games for Michigan every other year. We'll be seeing a lot more of the MAC schools later the decade on the schedule I think. It's all about the dollar signs. At least DB comes out and says it though.

 

[irishtrinity]

26 pages? we are talking acc or big ten right? thats a ND in the big ten schedule no way we need to go to acc...