Superconferences & Realignment

[HereComeTheIrish]

Texas and ND about to team up.

yessir...

 

[irishff1014]

I am against super conference for several reasons.

1. We will see more head coach firings. It's harder to go undefeated in a super conference. This will increase more stressful for head coach to do a better job. A lot of competition going on.

2. It's silly for any college to think about leaving their conference to join another conference. See Texas A&M. They will have to pay at least several million of dollars for buyout if they want out. Last time I checked, many college and universities are cutting down their budget for academic programs so it doesn't make sense to pay millions of dollars just because Texas A&M want to move to SEC for a change. Try to stay in a conference and save that money for another needs that's important to school. Many people got laid off so they may not able to pay for their kids to go to college. Million of dollars will help them to go to college and pursue their dreams.

3. Every team has to be nervous on who will join in their conference. For example, Nebraska joined in a Big Ten conference and Northwestern has to face them. Northwestern won an average of 7 to 8 wins in a season in the last 10 years. Now they are playing Nebraska. Do you think they have a good shot of beating Nebraska? Everyone would be laughing if we think Northwestern has a shot. No chance for them. Expect Northwestern to lose this one so their wins in a season will drop one game. Is that fair? This is why I am against super conference. It kills several teams of having a chance to win more games than lose more games.

I certainly hope Notre Dame won't join in a conference. I like their future schedule and I would be disappointed if they decide to change the direction in the football program..

1. Yes i could agree with that


2.I agree with the with the buyout as well. ACC is looking to rasie their buyout to a large amount to force schools to stay. This was a dumb move for Texas A&M they realyy can't compete in the Big 12 so idoubt they will compete in the SEC.

3. I disagree with this statement. That means Northwestern will have to go out and recruit more and get better players into the program.

4. Notre Dame will have no choice but to join a conference. If you aren't party of one of these Conferences you will never get the shot to play for the Nation Championship. The way it is shaping up you will have The SEC,BIG TEN, BIG EAST,PAC-12. I could see North Carolina leaving the ACC to go to the SEC as well.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Texas and ND about to team up.

Tag team!

 

[mick2]

what are the chances we see a lot of these teams being left behind just go independent?

if Texas joins ND in independence, the independents would have to be respected among the new landscape of cfb, no?

and it could be possible that the rest of the big 12 and possibly boise & air force would make the jump to independence, giving the schools a pretty decent lot of teams to play against.

IA Independents:
ND
Texas
BYU
Boise st
Texas tech
Baylor
Iowa state
kansas
kstate
Air Force
Navy
Army

maybe independence is still possible in a super conference format.

 

[TerryTate]

Superconferences & Realignment

Since there are going to be multiple posts regarding realignment, I thought we'd open a thread for it.

Post your proposed superconferences and sentiments here

 

[Whiskeyjack]

what are the chances we see a lot of these teams being left behind just go independent?

if Texas joins ND in independence, the independents would have to be respected among the new landscape of cfb, no?

and it could be possible that the rest of the big 12 and possibly boise & air force would make the jump to independence, giving the schools a pretty decent lot of teams to play against.

IA Independents:
ND
Texas
BYU
Boise st
Texas tech
Baylor
Iowa state
kansas
kstate
Air Force
Navy
Army

maybe independence is still possible in a super conference format.

I have a feeling that if the above were to happen, it would turn into a de facto conference.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here be dragons.

 

[mick2]

I have a feeling that if the above were to happen, it would turn into a de facto conference.

de facto, but not a real conference.

if ND can hang on to its current rivals in conferences (basically um,sc,purdue maybe bc/msu) we could have an annual game vs Texas and pretty good competition rotating yearly between boise and byu air force, obviously keep the navy game and sprinkle in some others from whoever is left with a spot to play.

maybe houston would join the mix, ucf, etc.

could be a pretty intriguing sitch.

 

[kmoose]

what are the chances we see a lot of these teams being left behind just go independent?

if Texas joins ND in independence, the independents would have to be respected among the new landscape of cfb, no?

and it could be possible that the rest of the big 12 and possibly boise & air force would make the jump to independence, giving the schools a pretty decent lot of teams to play against.

IA Independents:
ND
Texas
BYU
Boise st
Texas tech
Baylor
Iowa state
kansas
kstate
Air Force
Navy
Army

maybe independence is still possible in a super conference format.

The problem with this scenario is that, of the above teams, probably only Texas, ND, and the Service Academies can afford, financially, to be Independent.

 

[mick2]

The problem with this scenario is that, of the above teams, probably only Texas, ND, and the Service Academies can afford, financially, to be Independent.

didnt think about that.

its going to be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The problem with this scenario is that, of the above teams, probably only Texas, ND, and the Service Academies can afford, financially, to be Independent.

And BYU obviously also

 

[RDU Irish]

What about the impact on all sports, not just football? Conference affiliation is pretty important for every other sport.

 

[TerryTate]

Football is by far the largest money driver for schools.

 

[OchoShayneO]

SEC schools (Florida, SC, Georgia) have already stated that they do not want to expand in states where there is already an SEC school. No FSU, Miami, Clemson or GT in the SEC. WVU, VATECH, UNC are more likely.

WVU doesn't like the move since it would make them a blue and gold miss st. They might not have a choice.

 

[irishtrain]

Because I think Kelly is very close to getting this team very good and very competitive on a national scale again this 'What If' is the real issue hanging out there. More to the point I think all the anti Notre Dame chatter and jealousy is the direct result of the national icon not having to bow to a conference. Notre Dame when on a roll is bigger than any conference in America. That is not a pipe dream statement that is a fact. When Notre Dame is playing like they did under Holtz/Ara/Devine the nation gives them more attention than any damn conference. Say what you will because obviously this team is no where near that right now but the powers at be in the college football 'INDUSTRY' do not want success from this program because they understand that if there is success Notre Dame does not need a conference. BUT-its like being caught in a revolving door-they are not playing well now so bash'em,screw 'em whenever you can,beat them down and they will have to bow to the industry. If this coach can be allowed to put this program back on track by getting the guys in here to perform to a standard that was seen in the past Notre Dame will never need a conference and it may just save college football. That gentlemen is why the media/other fan bases/etc bang on Notre Dame. A mini run like they had at the end of last year had the nation waiting for the return of long dormant national sports icon. Dont be fooled by what you hear and read by the sports media they need Notre Dame in a conference for one reason only-controll over Notre Dame.

 

[SBjandy7]

I'd love to see someone like Va Tech in the SEC. I dont think UNC would leave the ACC, nor can the ACC afford to lose them. Basketball is the driving force in the ACC and that's because of Duke-UNC. you lose half of that, and the conference falls apart

 

[irishff1014]

To create another super conference The sec and the big east are going to steal fron the ACC.

 

[ohara831]

Texas and ND about to team up.

Think they talk more with the Big 10 and dictate our terms? Seems logical.

 

[phork]

You either fall in one or 2 categories.

#1 You enjoy classic bowl matchups and couldn't care less about a true NC.

#2 You care about a true NC.

My dream scenario is that the Superconferences tell the NCAA to go pound salt and make up their own regulatory body with their own officials. Frankly I want to see the true NC, with a playoff. Super conferences are the first step for this to happen.

Sorry Mr. Tate I know you made another thread, please move there..

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So it's looking like the Superconferences just might become a reality, in the not so distant future. I hate the idea, because I think that these Superconferences will become bigger than the NCAA, itself. I think that they will eventually become their own Division, within the NCAA. Kind of like a D-IA Heavy, aka FMS (Football Money Subdivision). At that point, based on where the groundswell seems to be heading, I think these Superconferences will abandon all pretenses about "student athletes", and will completely disregard academics, amateurism, etc. IF that were to happen, how would you feel if ND decided to stay in the next division down, and stay true to their commitment to academics? On one hand, we could probably dominate a division like that, and still be able to send kids to the NFL. On the other hand, we would not be playing the "big dogs". Which would you be more willing to give up?

I'm not sure that would necessarily happen. The NCAA has done such a poor job of enforcing its rules because they simply weren't intended to regulate such a large and influential industry.

If we end up with 4 superconferences, I could easily see the football powers opting out of the NCAA, writing their own rules, and creating enforcement mechanisms that actually have some teeth.

How committed would superconferences be to maintaining the student athlete ideal? I don't know. The schools know that their programs are only profitable because of their association with the school, though; so I doubt we'll ever see a complete move away from amateurism.

It doesn't have to be black and white. The superconferences could simply allow the players to take whatever endorsement money they're capable of earning as long as it's reported to the school, etc. I don't think opting out of the NCAA necessarily means semi-pro football is around the corner.

 

[TerryTate]

Think they talk more with the Big 10 and dictate our terms? Seems logical.

Connected poster on II implied the Big 10 approached ND & Texas recently.

 

[irishtrinity]

Oklahoma to apply pac 12 end of month

Oklahoma to apply pac 12 end of month

wow this is going to change everything fast... ND do what you have to do to be in the best spot NOW!!!!.... I love tradition rivals etc. but we need to be solid in the future... go irish 10-2 BCS....

 

[irishtrinity]

they are talking about it now on the experts... they are applying at the end of sept.. crazy big ten texas, and ND....

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

The chatter now is that Texas is considering the ACC because they are the only conference that would let them keep the LHN.

 

[irishff1014]

Either wat these conferences are going to have some travling to do. I don't think that Texas to the ACC is a good fit. They will own the division.

 

[TerryTate]

The chatter now is that Texas is considering the ACC because they are the only conference that would let them keep the LHN.

I saw that rumor as well. ND and Texas are in lockstep at the moment. I think we're shopping it around for now.

 

[nd1]

any conference would take texas and nd. they would be stupid not to. think of the money that both schools would bring to the conference. I think they need to go big ten. that would be one hell of a conference.

 

[IrishLax]

ND would be a great fit with the really strong academics of the ACC, even if not a geographic fit.

 

[irishff1014]

ND would be a great fit with the really strong academics of the ACC, even if not a geographic fit.

Depeneds on which teams leave the ACC. And do they try and make the ACC of the Big East the next Superconference?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

An interesting article from Yahoo!'s Matt Hinton (aka Dr. Saturday) on realignment and the inevitability of superconferences can be found here.