The Hyprocrisy Of The NCAA Continues

[phork]

So while OSU got pinched for players selling their jersey's, BoiseSt is cutting them off at the pass, by selling game worn jerseys right on campus.

The Zenith of NCAA Hypocrisy: Boise State Selling Game Worn Jerseys | TAUNTR.COM

The NCAA is a whole kind of fail on so many levels. It really is laughable.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Notre Dame sells actual player-worn jerseys as well, along with tons of other player-used paraphernalia. Schools profits off their revenue-sport athletes in myriad ways, who in turn are all compensated with scholarships. Nothing hypocritical about it.

 

[military_irish]

The only way I can find it justifiable is the fact those jersey belong to the schools and NCAA, not the players.

An anology would be if you were a door to door salesman selling iPads. ( I know that does not exist from what I know) If you are selling the iPad for the company it is their property. You would have no right to sell the iPad for your own personal gain.

Which is kind of what the OSU players did they wore the school and NCAA's property but they have no claim to it. So they have no right to sell them. If any of that makes sense. It may or may not be right but it is what it is.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Weren't the 'golden pants' and issue with OSU too? I believe those were given to the players for beating U of M and that would make them the players property.

 

[crzychris]

Weren't the 'golden pants' and issue with OSU too? I believe those were given to the players for beating U of M and that would make them the players property.

They are the players property. But the NCAA has a rule that basically says that anything given to them from a game cannot turn into a profitable venture. Despite the fact that it is their stuff, they are not allowed to give it away for anything else, including cash.

 

[Irish Insanity]

They are the players property. But the NCAA has a rule that basically says that anything given to them from a game cannot turn into a profitable venture. Despite the fact that it is their stuff, they are not allowed to give it away for anything else, including cash.

Ah. Didn't know that. Thanks for clarrifying.

 

[kmoose]

Weren't the 'golden pants' and issue with OSU too? I believe those were given to the players for beating U of M and that would make them the players property.

If the University(and/or a booster?) pays for those items of player "personal property", then the players are not allowed to profit from them. If they got a "gold cup" award from their local Kiwanis, for citizenship? They could trade/sell that for whatever they could get for it.

I'm tired of people whining about Universities making billions, while the poor athletes have to wear pants that were handed down to them by their older brother, who got them from an older brother, who got them from an older brother, ad infinitum. It's not like the profits from game worn jerseys are going straight into the pockets of the coach, AD, and/or University President. Many of those profits cover the expenses for sports like women's Field Hockey, or Men's Water Polo. If the government really wants to intervene, and make things "fair", they can rework the tax laws, so that student-athletes can write off the tens of thousands of dollars of revenue that they generate, per capita, as charitable contributions.

 

[GowerND11]

I completely agree with kmoose here. These are the rules, I don't understand how hard it is for people to follow them. Also, as mentioned, the items are of the university. The university is making "profit" off of the jersey not the player who wore it.

 

[crzychris]

I'm tired of people whining about Universities making billions, while the poor athletes have to wear pants that were handed down to them by their older brother, who got them from an older brother, who got them from an older brother, ad infinitum. It's not like the profits from game worn jerseys are going straight into the pockets of the coach, AD, and/or University President. Many of those profits cover the expenses for sports like women's Field Hockey, or Men's Water Polo. If the government really wants to intervene, and make things "fair", they can rework the tax laws, so that student-athletes can write off the tens of thousands of dollars of revenue that they generate, per capita, as charitable contributions.

I actually agree. You cannot put a dollar value on the education these kids are getting. A lot of kids could never afford an education at one of these schools. The real problem is a lack of focus onto academics, which it appears the NCAA is willing to change.

 

[IrishLax]

I actually agree. You cannot put a dollar value on the education these kids are getting. A lot of kids could never afford an education at one of these schools. The real problem is a lack of focus onto academics, which it appears the NCAA is willing to change.

Bingo. In my dream world independent NCAA compliance officials are assigned to a school. The school is also assigned an academic auditor. Get rid of the APR and use only the GSR. If the school isn't above 80% they get a warning. If they still aren't above 80% the next year then they aren't eligible for post-season play until they get above 80%.

The independent NCAA compliance officials are responsible for monitoring and report any violations. Gets rid of any "should have known" BS. The academic auditor makes classes are taught on the up and up.

Oh, and the minimum GPA to play ball coming out of HS is raised to a 2.5.

 

[ACamp1900]

kmoose nailed, I too am sick of hearing it...

 

[PLACforever]

I'm with kmoose.
Sorry but this thread is pointless, the shirts are on a rack in a university shop, not being sold out of the trunk of Pryor's 350Z.
Obviously the university is profiting here, not players who can't follow the rules.

 

[ACamp1900]

Moose made the best point... those dollars go towards other scholly's for non athletes, and funding all the other sports that lose money... all the while these "exploited" athletes are given 10's if not 100's of thousands of dollars in free education that the rest of us have to pay back plus interest... all for playing a silly game... I'm not crying for them, nor am I taking issue with the schools or the NCAA for anything on this issue

 

[mgriff]

Just piggy-backing off what has already been said. I really don't feel bad for the athletes at all. I got my college paid for, up to a certain amount, for only three years, at a state school, for serving my country. I sure as hell wish ND relaxed the standards for me to get in and then everything was on the house. I'm reasonably intelligent, but as everyone knows, you have to be the best and brightest to get into ND without being an athlete. That is not me, or maybe it could have been if I had been more mature, but that's netiher here nor there. Oh yea, these kids are being taken advantage of. I'm sorry some aren't thrilled about the academic aspect of being a college athlete, because if they were, ND and Stanford would get all the five stars. Just because some of these kids don't go to the most prestigious school and cash in to the max on their opportunity, does not equate to being taken advantage of. In the words of Coach Kilmer, "Cry me a river you fat ****in' baby!"

 

[crzychris]

Bingo. In my dream world independent NCAA compliance officials are assigned to a school. The school is also assigned an academic auditor. Get rid of the APR and use only the GSR. If the school isn't above 80% they get a warning. If they still aren't above 80% the next year then they aren't eligible for post-season play until they get above 80%.

The independent NCAA compliance officials are responsible for monitoring and report any violations. Gets rid of any "should have known" BS. The academic auditor makes classes are taught on the up and up.

Oh, and the minimum GPA to play ball coming out of HS is raised to a 2.5.

I love the idea of raising the minimum incoming GPA to 2.5. However, I dislike the GSR in it's current form. ESPN exposed Florida State a few years back because a vast majority of their football players majored in "general studies" and, while they graduated, came away with mediocre degrees and were not on a college level by any means. I think their should be a minimum standard in the difficulty of classes taken. This would be no problem for Notre Dame, but it would sink many other BCS programs.

I agree with you that a minimum GSR should be 80. And with the independent NCAA compliance officials, give them the power to ensure that students are receiving an actual education, not some useless degree.

 

[IrishLax]

I love the idea of raising the minimum incoming GPA to 2.5. However, I dislike the GSR in it's current form. ESPN exposed Florida State a few years back because a vast majority of their football players majored in "general studies" and, while they graduated, came away with mediocre degrees and were not on a college level by any means. I think their should be a minimum standard in the difficulty of classes taken. This would be no problem for Notre Dame, but it would sink many other BCS programs.

I agree with you that a minimum GSR should be 80. And with the independent NCAA compliance officials, give them the power to ensure that students are receiving an actual education, not some useless degree.

Agree. Hence the academic auditor to make sure kids aren't getting fluff grades/degrees. That doesn't mean that there can't be easy classes, but kids have to be showing up and doing some work and not everyone should be getting an "A" just for signing up. For instance, I knew an athlete who transferred from LSU and got an "A" in a class he never even knew he signed up for and never attended once. That shouldn't happen. And the only to start enforcing these rules it to independent NCAA personnel on-site at each school.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I love the idea of raising the minimum incoming GPA to 2.5. However, I dislike the GSR in it's current form. ESPN exposed Florida State a few years back because a vast majority of their football players majored in "general studies" and, while they graduated, came away with mediocre degrees and were not on a college level by any means. I think their should be a minimum standard in the difficulty of classes taken. This would be no problem for Notre Dame, but it would sink many other BCS programs.

I agree with you that a minimum GSR should be 80. And with the independent NCAA compliance officials, give them the power to ensure that students are receiving an actual education, not some useless degree.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. If kids want to waste the opportunity they are given by majoring in general studies or some other joke of a major, that is on them. I don't see how you could justify a mandate that kids major in engineering or statistics. If the school offers the degree program then athletes have the same right to pursue it that every other student has.

 

[crzychris]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. If kids want to waste the opportunity they are given by majoring in general studies or some other joke of a major, that is on them. I don't see how you could justify a mandate that kids major in engineering or statistics. If the school offers the degree program then athletes have the same right to pursue it that every other student has.

I didn't say they didn't have the right to major in what they wanted. I used a specific case (FSU) where they deliberately lowered academic standards in order to raise their graduation rate. All I'm suggesting is that athletes be held to the same academic standards as the rest of us, especially considering many are on scholarship.

 

[phgreek]

So while OSU got pinched for players selling their jersey's, BoiseSt is cutting them off at the pass, by selling game worn jerseys right on campus.

The Zenith of NCAA Hypocrisy: Boise State Selling Game Worn Jerseys | TAUNTR.COM

The NCAA is a whole kind of fail on so many levels. It really is laughable.

I see what you are saying...I for one see one school as following the rules, where the other isn't. It boils down to where the money goes, as others have mentioned here.

I am a rule of law guy...you abide first and foremost, then do what you need to if you believe the rules need to change.

In total agreement that the NCAA is just a joke. They do not seem to ever send the right message, if by policy or enforcement thereof. It always seems like cheaters are rewarded, and academics are a marginal consideration. Lets be clear...if NCAA policies, and their enforcement do not reward academic achievement, and do not punish academic underaachievement....if NCAA policies and their enforcement do not strike fear in the hearts of the cheaters...What good is the NCAA?

 

[irish1958]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

I think the correct saying is: "You can lead a horse, but you can't make it water."

 

[Redbar]

I can't remember the thread where we were talking about Michigan players receiving iPads, but I heard about this and decided to put it here. I trust the person who told it to me because she has absolutely no skin in the game but she says when visiting a friend at UGA in Athens, she saw a few people riding motor scooters around campus and she was told, that they were football players and they were provided with them by the athletic department. That doesn't make sense to me if only from a liability standpoint, but she said her friend who knew several football players said that was in fact the case. Anybody ever heard of anything like this?

 

[Emcee77]

Don't know nothing about no scooters, but I've just read through this thread for the first time and I'm a little surprised at some of the posts. You guys don't think it's silly that players are prohibited by NCAA rules from selling memorabilia that they own free and clear? (The fact that schools do the same thing just shows how innocuous it is.) Or more generally, that these guys are huge national superstars and the NCAA requires them to refuse even the smallest favors fans might do to show that they appreciate their hard work and sacrifice?

Understand, I'm not saying that there should be no rules, and there has to be a way to deter programs from flaunting them. I don't want 1980's SMU coming back. But I do think the NCAA currently draws the line in the wrong place, especially if the players are refused even a modest "laundry money" stipend. Certainly they deserve that much when their efforts garner millions for their universities and prevent them from working for spending money.

I know that my dad played high school football in a western Pennsylvania town where high school football was everything. He tells me that on Friday nights after games no restaurant in town would charge a kid wearing a football letter jacket for a meal. It seems to me that that kind of community pride is a great thing. NCAA rules seem to stifle it.

 

[SLC]

Notre Dame sells actual player-worn jerseys as well, along with tons of other player-used paraphernalia. Schools profits off their revenue-sport athletes in myriad ways, who in turn are all compensated with scholarships. Nothing hypocritical about it.

Agreed