Possible Miami Violations

[condoms SUCk]

Interesting in that it can actually expand beyond the 4 year limitation if it the booster committed willful violations, which appears to be the case.

Here is the section in the Yahoo article that backs up what you said, just in case someone missed it or didn't read the article.

"Perhaps most troubling is Shapiro’s sustained impropriety could trigger the NCAA’s “willful violations” exception to its four-year statute of limitations. Under bylaw 36.2.3, an investigation can expand beyond the statute if information reveals that an individual tied to a university has engaged in “a pattern of willful violations” over a sustained period beyond the previous four years"

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's absolutely fantastic work by the Yahoo reporter. There is a page for each individual accused and a list of things that Shapiro provided to each one complete with pics and in some cases receipts and cell phone records.

Give this guy a raise

How about we fire the entire NCAA investigatory department, combine all their salaries, and hire Charles Robinson at that figure.

 

[condoms SUCk]

At first I was like Miami....meh whatever.

But this is pretty huge.

^same here
I bet Al Golden is thinking to himself, You have to be F&^king $hiting me, I came here to this bull$hit, hhmmm wonder if Temple will take me back.

 

[condoms SUCk]

How about we fire the entire NCAA investigatory department, combine all their salaries, and hire Charles Robinson at that figure.

Yup, I think you're on to something there WJ.

 

[Riddickulous]

This effects the 2011 season, too.

A number of the alleged players are currently on the football team. Miami will probably suspend them indefinitely, like North Carolina did with their players last season.

 

[BeauBenken]

Seriously, I do feel bad for Golden. What a **** storm for him.

 

[Riddickulous]

Seriously, I do feel bad for Golden. What a **** storm for him.

He'll probably end up at Penn State following Joe Pa's retirement.

 

[bullsfan426]

Miami is in it deep.

Depending on what happens, this could be the end of relevance for Miami football. They certainly aren't the high powered team they were two decades ago. They're an average team in an average conference.

It doesn't help that USF is getting better, and Florida International and UCF are decent non-BCS options as well.

And they STILL have UF and FSU to deal with.

 

[RyCo1983]

He'll probably end up at Penn State following Joe Pa's retirement.

I would hate State Penn a little less if he took over.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Irish Toughness - YouTube

 

[condoms SUCk]

He'll probably end up at Penn State following Joe Pa's retirement.

Maybe, if Joe Pa can't protect himself on the field then he may decide to call it quits. If a week in the hospital from getting ran over in practice doesn't make you start to think along those line then nothing will.

 

[WaveDomer]

Knew I should've gotten into real estate.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Just went on wearesc.com, the ESPN USC site. Talk about being obsessed...19 out of their first 22 threads on their front page of the message board are about Miami in some way shape or form. Seriously, how many threads does it take to dissect the Miami situation??? One clown even started a thread saying he was MORE pissed now than he was when the sanctions came out because Miami did so much more (the moron doesn't know apparently that the NCAA just found out about it, and therefore haven't actually had a chance to, you know, investigate and then give their penalties).

You ever want to bag on a USC fan? Ask them why, for YEARS, did they rip apart Yahoo Sports and Dan Wetzel for not actually being a real site and that Dan was a chickensh*t know-nothing...and yet when Yahoo reports on ANY other schools, USC fans believe what they say as if it is Gospel? The funny thing is that they have NO CLUE how hypocritical they are LOL.

Oh yeah, and Miami seems to be fu*ked. But wait until their side of the stiry comes out...just like with USC and OSU, their fans will believe everything they say hook, line and sinker, and the NCAA will be the ones at fault. Wash, rinse, repeat...

 

[ohara831]

Listening to Bill King on 247 On Campus this morning. He's talking like The U could be looking at the Death Penalty it is so serious. This fellow has picures, bank statements, etc to nail players and prove coaches knew about it, or so he says. If they can show coaches knew about this for a few years, I can see the Death Penalty. Otherwise not quite death, but football at The U could become pretty much irrelevant for a decade.

I do hate it for Al Golden. He did not see this coming.

 

[ndfi78]

Yup, the only thing I don't like about the whole situation is that Al Golden is getting totally screwed. Seems like a good guy, hopefully he can get out of there.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I work with a U fan and she is in complete denial. She was like "You can't believe what this guy in jail says...this stuff happens everywhere." I'm like it might happen everywhere, but not to this extent. Plus this guy has pictures, bank statements and nothing to lose out of this. Complete denial.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I work with a U fan and she is in complete denial. She was like "You can't believe what this guy in jail says...this stuff happens everywhere." I'm like it might happen everywhere, but not to this extent. Plus this guy has pictures, bank statements and nothing to lose out of this. Complete denial.

I think you mean nothing to gain out of this. Having nothing to lose would work against his case.

Either way, bank statements, pictures and tons of high profile names will be enough to sink the U. Death penalty for sure.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I think you mean nothing to gain out of this. Having nothing to lose would work against his case.

Either way, bank statements, pictures and tons of high profile names will be enough to sink the U. Death penalty for sure.

You are correct nothing to gain

 

[Rocket89]

At first, when I thought the "10" would be Auburn or Alabama and I heard it was Miami, I was like....

Then when I read the Yahoo! investigation I was like...

 

[Mirer3Powlus]

SMU was given the death penalty because everyone connected to the school, from the president to the governor of Texas, was in on it. They were also violating the probation they were already on to a massive extent. If Miami can distance themselves as this being just one rogue booster with some assistant coaches, they'll get their normal sanctions. The NCAA does NOT want to hand out the death penalty again, and while this is the closest thing since SMU, it's still not in the same ballpark. It's a true testament to just how screwed up things were in Dallas.

What do you guys think are worthy punishments? Erasing everything since 2002? Making every current player in that article ineligible? How many years of probation and scholarship loss?

 

[MacadamianNut]

For everybody hoping Bama was involved in some way, well, you got two recently hired Alabama assistant coaches that were involved...while they were at Miami

So........yay?

 

[ohara831]

SMU was given the death penalty because everyone connected to the school, from the president to the governor of Texas, was in on it. They were also violating the probation they were already on to a massive extent. If Miami can distance themselves as this being just one rogue booster with some assistant coaches, they'll get their normal sanctions. The NCAA does NOT want to hand out the death penalty again, and while this is the closest thing since SMU, it's still not in the same ballpark. It's a true testament to just how screwed up things were in Dallas.

What do you guys think are worthy punishments? Erasing everything since 2002? Making every current player in that article ineligible? How many years of probation and scholarship loss?

Dont know yet if it rises to the SMU violations. It is early. But I think it is a bit worse than you are saying. This looks to have gone on for several years. High profile players, lots of money, prostitutes, parties on yachts and at mansions, etc... People talk. They cannot help but talk. This cant happen for this long with this many people and it only be known by those players and a few asst coaches. Word got out to more people in the Institution. It had to have, and I cant see how that cannot include the Head Coaches who likely turned a deaf ear to it and likely some Faculty who simply heard things and who likely brought it up to the Chancellor and other high up Officers at the Univ. People just turn their backs to it because they dont want to stir the pot and make a stink. Well guess what? The stink is far worse now than it would have been 5 years ago.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

The way I see it the NCAA can go past for years if they can prove it was willfull.
From all the evidence we've seen so far it was willfull.
Miami was already on probation in 2002 if I recall correctly from the 97 investigation into pell grant fraud and paying of players. Which I believe opens it up to repeat violator status.

 

[ohara831]

This Booster supposedly paid a Basketball recruit $10K and the then HC know about it and did nothing. This HC is now the HC at Missouri I think.

Also, this guys supposedly got drunk up in a Suite at a game and started verbally attacking the Univ. Compliance Officer over some matter. This is to have been witnessed by several people also.

The school overlooked all of this because the guy was throwing millions of $ at the school. Dirty Ponzi scheme $ at that. But they just couldn't turn away from all that $.

When the NCAA finishes their investigation, the bottom line will be :What did the school Administration know and what should it have known? And that will be the determining factor on if there even will be a Miami Hurricane Football team a year from now.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

This whole thing is really sad. Feel bad for Golden and the mess he walked into.

 

[GreatGolson]

This is the 10

This is the 10

I think its apparent that this is the "10" story. Almost a decade and millions of dollars later, the Miami Meltdown continues. So what do u think will be left whe
the smoke clears? Penalties? Scholaraships? What will the fallout of this mean fpr the U and for college football as a whole?

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

This Booster supposedly paid a Basketball recruit $10K and the then HC know about it and did nothing. This HC is now the HC at Missouri I think.

Also, this guys supposedly got drunk up in a Suite at a game and started verbally attacking the Univ. Compliance Officer over some matter. This is to have been witnessed by several people also.

The school overlooked all of this because the guy was throwing millions of $ at the school. Dirty Ponzi scheme $ at that. But they just couldn't turn away from all that $.

When the NCAA finishes their investigation, the bottom line will be :What did the school Administration know and what should it have known? And that will be the determining factor on if there even will be a Miami Hurricane Football team a year from now.

Correct, it is also mentioned how the compliance officer did an invesitagation and found out that he had part ownership in the sports agency business, yet they continued to allow this guy to constantly be around the players and head and assistant coaches.
Shapiro makes note that all they would have had to do was hire a private investigator for 5 minutes and they could have brought the whole operation down, but they didnt want to. They were eating up the donations, and waiting for him to drop that big one on them.

According to Shapiro, Cornelius Green was riding around in a Mercedes S500 during his senior year. That doesnt raise a red flag? Or how about Sean Taylor's $26K diamond studded dog tags? THis guy was apparently runnin **** at The U for much of the decade, and helping them supply extra benefits to players and RECRUITS with many in the football program aware of it. There is no way all this goes on and all the assistants are partaking, and the head coach and nobody above him have any knowledge of what's going on. It just isn't possible. Miami's cooked.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Here you go sir,

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/other-college-football/61696-possible-miami-violations.html

 

[woolybug25]

This Booster supposedly paid a Basketball recruit $10K and the then HC know about it and did nothing. This HC is now the HC at Missouri I think.

Also, this guys supposedly got drunk up in a Suite at a game and started verbally attacking the Univ. Compliance Officer over some matter. This is to have been witnessed by several people also.

The school overlooked all of this because the guy was throwing millions of $ at the school. Dirty Ponzi scheme $ at that. But they just couldn't turn away from all that $.

When the NCAA finishes their investigation, the bottom line will be :What did the school Administration know and what should it have known? And that will be the determining factor on if there even will be a Miami Hurricane Football team a year from now.

I was going to mention the compliance officer incident. Too many people are trying to give the U a pass for this. I listened to an interview this morning with Shapiro and he said that he paid over 70 players, 6 coaches knew and participated, and no one from the AD to the compliance office had the balls to try to stop him. When asked "do you have a smoking gun?", he said "I have a tsunami". He said that he has reciepts, pictures, bank statements, etc that prove direct benefits to specific players. Miami will be looked at as Repeat Offenders for this as well.

If this isn't Lack of Institutional Control, then there is no such thing.

 

[WaveDomer]

They are in big trouble. This guy, as mentioned by other posters, was not unknown to the school administration. He even asked to be hired as HC and said he would pay a million bucks to assistants. He had a lounge named after him. He had a luxury box just down the hall from administration boxes, where he would throw parties during games and have cats like Luther Campbell and parents and ex-players. He joked about having a stripper pole put in the box. He ran the team onto the field on 2 occasions. He was on a team chartered flight. He gave ponzi scheme money to the program. This guy went through 2 million bucks or something like that in gifts to this program and players. (if reports are true)

This is a lot worse than USC or tOSU. Dan Wetzel has an article on it, comparing it to USC and saying it's worse. USC's situation is small potatoes compared. This guy actually signed Miami players to his agency and got them drafted. Yeah, this isn't a "slush fund" like SMU, but it's pretty close. SMU was just more professional, but this guy would give money out to anyone.

I know the NCAA doesn't want to drop the Death Penalty on any program again, but what if this is true, what else do you do?