'12 IL DT Tommy Schutt (Ohio State Verbal)

[NDPhilly]

Any guesses on his leader or top 2?

 

[TerryTate]

ND & UF

 

[Rack Em]

After his ND visit, ND and UF will be his latest visits, correct?

 

[TerryTate]

He doesn't have a visit scheduled for UF again this summer.

Here's a quote from a poster on 247:

FWIW I asked Justin Wells of Gatorbait about Schutt.. He said that unless UF gets a visit this month he doesn't see them being a major player.

 

[NDPhilly]

He doesn't have a visit scheduled for UF again this summer.

Here's a quote from a poster on 247:

Soooooo we are the leaders for Schutt?

 

[NDinL.A.]

Per ISD, he's visiting this Tuesday, which is great news!

 

[neoroks32]

Per ISD, he's visiting this Tuesday, which is great news!

As in yesterday Tuesday?

 

[beryirish]

^Thank you....his smile is kind of creepy and in your face.


Back to Schutt

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  Has ND and UF as his leaders from the looks of it

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  talks about him commiting to his school looming

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  scheduled a visit to ND next week

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  does not have a visit scheduled for UF

I think he will be Irish!!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Trying not to get my hopes up, but still very exciting.

Landing Jones, Schutt, and Day would ensure a level of sustained DL dominance that we haven't seen for the better part of two decades.

Just curious... if you had to pick only one of the above, who would it be and why?

 

[beryirish]

Trying not to get my hopes up, but still very exciting.

Landing Jones, Schutt, and Day would ensure a level of sustained DL dominance that we haven't seen for the better part of two decades.

Just curious... if you had to pick only one of the above, who would it be and why?

^The Philly sign is muuuccchh better.

Now to be clear I want all 3 of them. That would be dominating.

But I think Jones is the best prospect out of the three. Seems more versatile and I think Diaco can use him in other areas if he needs to.

 

[NDPhilly]

okay back on topic

I want Schutt the most because we dont have much depth at NT while a 5* DE right now is a luxury.

 

[arrowryan]

Trying not to get my hopes up, but still very exciting.

Landing Jones, Schutt, and Day would ensure a level of sustained DL dominance that we haven't seen for the better part of two decades.

Just curious... if you had to pick only one of the above, who would it be and why?

1. Jarron Jones

2. Tommy Schutt

3. Sheldon Day

I think we get 2 of the 3

 

[neoroks32]

I actually think schutt is better suited for DE in our defense

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I actually think schutt is better suited for DE in our defense

Disagree. He looks to be the only DL recruit that's clearly destined for DT/ NT.

247 is higher on Jones than Schutt. Rivals is the opposite. ESPN is higher on Jones than Schutt, but has both rated much lower than 247 or Rivals.

I'm torn on who we need more. It's tempting to say Schutt since Nix appears to be the only elite talent at DT, but Cwynar is underrated and if we can get some productive reps out of Stockton, our NT depth in 2012 will be pretty good.

I'll have to go with Jones, mainly because when EJ graduates after this season, Tuitt will be the only elite SDE on the roster (unless Niklas ends up there).

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Big News. But no one knows what he thinking.

 

[Rhode Irish]

1. Jarron Jones

2. Tommy Schutt

3. Sheldon Day

I think we get 2 of the 3

I basically agree with this order, but I would list Jones and Schutt as 1A and 1B, and Day as #2. Having said that, I would gladly take any two of the three and not lose any sleep. Getting all three would be delightful. We would be headed for a potentially historic defense a few years down the road.

 

[NDPhilly]

Disagree. He looks to be the only DL recruit that's clearly destined for DT/ NT.

247 is higher on Jones than Schutt. Rivals is the opposite. ESPN is higher on Jones than Schutt, but has both rated much lower than 247 or Rivals.

I'm torn on who we need more. It's tempting to say Schutt since Nix appears to be the only elite talent at DT, but Cwynar is underrated and if we can get some productive reps out of Stockton, our NT depth in 2012 will be pretty good.

I'll have to go with Jones, mainly because when EJ graduates after this season, Tuitt will be the only elite SDE on the roster (unless Niklas ends up there).[/QUOTE]

I think Kona is a SDE right?

 

[Rhode Irish]

Disagree. He looks to be the only DL recruit that's clearly destined for DT/ NT.

247 is higher on Jones than Schutt. Rivals is the opposite. ESPN is higher on Jones than Schutt, but has both rated much lower than 247 or Rivals.

I'm torn on who we need more. It's tempting to say Schutt since Nix appears to be the only elite talent at DT, but Cwynar is underrated and if we can get some productive reps out of Stockton, our NT depth in 2012 will be pretty good.

I'll have to go with Jones, mainly because when EJ graduates after this season, Tuitt will be the only elite SDE on the roster (unless Niklas ends up there).

I think Kona is a SDE right?

But is Kona "elite"? He could be a very nice player, but I'm not so sure I'd call him elite. No offense to him or anything.

 

[neoroks32]

Disagree. He looks to be the only DL recruit that's clearly destined for DT/ NT.

247 is higher on Jones than Schutt. Rivals is the opposite. ESPN is higher on Jones than Schutt, but has both rated much lower than 247 or Rivals.

I'm torn on who we need more. It's tempting to say Schutt since Nix appears to be the only elite talent at DT, but Cwynar is underrated and if we can get some productive reps out of Stockton, our NT depth in 2012 will be pretty good.

I'll have to go with Jones, mainly because when EJ graduates after this season, Tuitt will be the only elite SDE on the roster (unless Niklas ends up there).

Schutt is better when he is asked to penetrate the line and be a playmaker, our NT is a plug that has to stay in his lane and plug is gap, that's not what schutt excels at, schutt remind me more of Ethan Johnson, then to nix

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think Kona is a SDE right?

AFAIK, Kona was in the rotation at both DE spots toward the end of last season. Only posted two tackles, but most were pleasantly surprised to see him contributing so early.

There's also been talk of him moving to NT.

I left him out of the conversation because I truly have no clue where he'll end up or what we can expect from him in terms of production.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Schutt is better when he is asked to penetrate the line and be a playmaker, our NT is a plug that has to stay in his lane and plug is gap, that's not what schutt excels at, schutt remind me more of Ethan Johnson, then to nix

Schutt "excels" at penetrating because he's a 300 lb blue-chip recruit playing in a high school 4-3. He'd excel anywhere on the DL in any formation in high school.

Schutt projects at NT for us because he's already over 300 lbs and has the frame to get even bigger.

EJ isn't much of a pass rusher.

 

[neoroks32]

Schutt "excels" at penetrating because he's a 300 lb blue-chip recruit playing in a high school 4-3. He'd excel anywhere on the DL in any formation in high school.

Schutt projects at NT for us because he's already over 300 lbs and has the frame to get even bigger.

EJ isn't much of a pass rusher.

Just because he's 300lbs that's doesn't mean he has to be a NT, it's his skill set, Mario Williams is 300lbs he's not playing DT is he? Besides schutt plays more DE then DT for his high school team anyways

 

[TerryTate]

Schutt "excels" at penetrating because he's a 300 lb blue-chip recruit playing in a high school 4-3. He'd excel anywhere on the DL in any formation in high school.

Schutt projects at NT for us because he's already over 300 lbs and has the frame to get even bigger.

EJ isn't much of a pass rusher.

This.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Just because he's 300lbs that's doesn't mean he has to be a NT, it's his skill set, Mario Williams is 300lbs he's not playing DT is he? Besides schutt plays more DE then DT for his high school team anyways

As I explained earlier, what position Schutt plays in his high school 4-3 is irrelevant to where he projects on the next level.

And in case you haven't noticed, 3-4 DEs don't do a lot of pass rushing either.

It's not so much his weight as his build. Kids that have the physique to be a true NT are rare; Schutt is one such recruit. I'm virtually certain Kelly wants him as a 0- and 3-tech DT.

 

[neoroks32]

As I explained earlier, what position Schutt plays in his high school 4-3 is irrelevant to where he projects on the next level.

And in case you haven't noticed, 3-4 DEs don't do a lot of pass rushing either.

It's not so much his weight as his build. Kids that have the physique to be a true NT are rare; Schutt is one such recruit. I'm virtually certain Kelly wants him as a 0- and 3-tech DT.

I know 3-4 DE don't rush the passer I coach the 3-4

 

[Rhode Irish]

As I explained earlier, what position Schutt plays in his high school 4-3 is irrelevant to where he projects on the next level.

And in case you haven't noticed, 3-4 DEs don't do a lot of pass rushing either.

It's not so much his weight as his build. Kids that have the physique to be a true NT are rare; Schutt is one such recruit. I'm virtually certain Kelly wants him as a 0- and 3-tech DT.

To add to this, if you can play NT in a 3-4 you have a big advantage if you are trying to play at the next level. The amount of NFL teams using the 3-4 has exploded in the past few years, but the crop of players that fit that system has not. I don't know Tommy Schutt at all, so I don't know if he wants to play at the next level, but assuming he does - and assuming that we are correct that his frame will allow him to play the position effectively - then playing NT in college could set him up quite nicely.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I know 3-4 DE don't rush the passer I coach the 3-4

Then why are you so insistent that his success as a one-gap pass rusher in a high school 4-3 means he must be a 3-4 DE at ND? Both DEs and the NT must frequently two-gap in a 3-4; the NT just needs to be more of an immovable object since he's going to get double-teamed more often than not.

So if you're looking at Schutt, Jones, and Day... which one do you train at NT? Obviously Schutt, since he's got the frame to play effectively at 330+ with great leverage and endurance.

 

[neoroks32]

Then why are you so insistent that his success as a one-gap pass rusher in a high school 4-3 means he must be a 3-4 DE at ND? Both DEs and the NT must frequently two-gap in a 3-4; the NT just needs to more of an immovable object since he's going to get double-teamed more often than not.

So if you're looking at Schutt, Jones, and Day... which one do you train at NT? Obviously Schutt, since he's got the frame to play effectively at 330+ with great leverage and endurance.

Ok just say your right cus I'm on my iPod and I don't feel like writing a lot

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Ok just say your right cus I'm on my iPod and I don't feel like writing a lot

Not trying to be a jerk, neo. I'm just starved for substantive discussion about Irish football. Apologies if I got a little overzealous.

 

[neoroks32]

Not trying to be a jerk, neo. I'm just starved for substantive discussion about Irish football. Apologies if I got a little overzealous.

I like more of a run stopping d-line, and I think schutt has the athleticism to be a DE in a 3-4, which is my opinion, whichs is just an opinion not a fact