Byron vs. Keith Marshall

[neoroks32]

I haven't really been paying attention to these 2 runningbacks, but what type of runners are they, it seems to me that Keith is more of a slasher with homerun ability that can grow into a complete back( ala cierre wood), while Byron is more of the scatback type, am I right on these assessments?

 

[koonja]

Sounds about right. I haven't watched their tapes though.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I haven't really been paying attention to these 2 runningbacks, but what type of runners are they, it seems to me that Keith is more of a slasher with homerun ability that can grow into a complete back( ala cierre wood), while Byron is more of the scatback type, am I right on these assessments?

Based on the tape I've seen, they seem like very similar players. Both would be excellent in the spread as both are very fast, like to get into space and juke people, and don't really run through anyone.

I agree that Keith seems a little faster and a bit more explosive, but Byron is still very fast and explosive. To me, Byron, is like Floyd in that I would not guess by watching him run that he would be so effective on the field, but he is. He just keeps going and going somehow.

In short, two great backs. If I had to chose, I would go with the one that liked ND more.

 

[neoroks32]

Like Floyd? Do you mean in speed cus I thought Byron had elite speed too?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I would agree with your assessment for the most part Domina. The only thing I would add is that Keith is elite at the cut-back. The kid can stop on a dime and accelerate like no other back that I have seen in this class. Byron obviously needs to work on his ball security from the way he just dangles it out there, but that can obviously be taught. Byron actually reminds me more of Cierre than Keith does and Byron seems to read the field more, looking for the holes rather than just taking off and making guys miss along the way.

What the hell do I know anyways.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Byron is not a scatback. He is an every down back in the making and can hit the homerun and will also put his shoulder down and pick up the tough yards. He seems on video to have great balance and core & lower body strength for his size. Ultimately I think he ends up playing at about 5'11-6'0 205-210 which isnt scat back by any means on college. He amay not be quite as fast as keith, but he isn't off by much. They both possess great cutback ability, but Keith seems to rely on his natural ability over the competition while Byron seems to be a little more patient. Keith seems to accelate a little better and everything he does is fast while Byron has that extra gear to pull away through the hole or in the open field but he does not appear to be shot out of a cannon like Keith does.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

They both possess great cutback ability, but Keith seems to rely on his natural ability over the competition while Byron seems to be a little more patient.

This was the point I was trying to make that is not so apparent from my post.

 

[koonja]

Whichever one ends up at ND will naturally be annointed the RKG out of the two, and if it's Keith Marshall we'll parade about the fact he's the Number 1 RB and a 5-star... If it's Byron we'll talk about how the recruiting services are flawed and how he was underrated.

So, either way we'll win as long as we sign one of them.

 

[IrishLax]

Extremely similar players. Keith is 1A and Byron is 1B in my book.

To the "RKG" point... Byron is optionally taking summer school classes to qualify for ND. That says a lot, many kids would take the easy way out and go to another school with easier requirements. DOES NOT mean he ends up at ND; but he is putting in extra work taking a language class and that is a good sign.

 

[koonja]

Extremely similar players. Keith is 1A and Byron is 1B in my book.

To the "RKG" point... Byron is optionally taking summer school classes to qualify for ND. That says a lot, many kids would take the easy way out and go to another school with easier requirements. DOES NOT mean he ends up at ND; but he is putting in extra work taking a language class and that is a good sign.

Interesting. Do you know if there's other schools that he's interested in that require the language class? If not, then I'd say that's a great sign for ND.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whichever one ends up at ND will naturally be annointed the RKG out of the two, and if it's Keith Marshall we'll parade about the fact he's the Number 1 RB and a 5-star... If it's Byron we'll talk about how the recruiting services are flawed and how he was underrated.

This cynicism gets tiresome.

K. Marshall is the #1 RB in the nation, and I haven't read anyone here claiming that B. Marshall is better for some reason.

So, either way we'll win as long as we sign one of them.

Yes, in fact, either one would be an excellent pick up. There's only ever one top RB at any given time; and only one school gets to win that lottery each year. If we don't get Keith, Byron would be a wonderful consolation gift.

 

[koonja]

This cynicism gets tiresome.

K. Marshall is the #1 RB in the nation, and I haven't read anyone here claiming that B. Marshall is better for some reason.



Yes, in fact, either one would be an excellent pick up. There's only ever one top RB at any given time; and only one school gets to win that lottery each year. If we don't get Keith, Byron would be a wonderful consolation gift.

It isn't cynicism. It's the treatment our recruits get. We're naturally bias.

Whiskeyjack really needs the season to start so we have better things to talk about rather than just argue.

Me too.

 

[koonja]

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[Rocket89]

I like what I see with Byron. I would be totally ecstatic if we picked him up.

However, Marshall is elite of the elite in my opinion.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whiskeyjack really needs the season to start so we have better things to talk about rather than just argue.

I was responding to this specifically:

If it's Byron we'll talk about how the recruiting services are flawed and how he was underrated.

This struck me as a mocking mischaracterization of the argument we had over Greenberry. I never implied that the recruiting services are worthless, or that all of our recruits are systemically underrated. I simply think Greenberry's continuing dominance of 7ON tourneys against elite talent is a better indicator of potential than measurables + high school production; that's all.

If that's not what you were getting at, then please excuse my grumpiness.

 

[koonja]

I was responding to this specifically:



This struck me as a mocking mischaracterization of the argument we had over Greenberry. I never implied that the recruiting services are worthless, or that all of our recruits are systemically underrated. I simply think Greenberry's continuing dominance of 7ON tourneys against elite talent is a better indicator of potential than measurables + high school production; that's all.

If that's not what you were getting at, then please excuse my grumpiness.

I just think we use the ranking when convenient. For instance, when I said that I'd take DGB over any WR in the class because he was the unanimous #1 receiver by every recruiting site, you made an argument (and a good one at that) about why we put too much faith into the recruiting services...

Then, the next day when zsteele15 made the thread about Ben Koyak's potential, your sole argument was listing his ratings by every recruiting site (which were very high) and then saying something sarcastic (as to, yeah, he's pretty good).

I don't want to argue with you. I didn't say anything bad about either Marshall. We need RBs and I'd be glad to get either one. I was just pointing out the RKG treatment we usually give our recruits. And it's usually accurate.

I'm not going to waste this thread over an argument. PM me if you want to talk about it.

And I don't mean to come off as a jerk, we're all on the same side here.

 

[koonja]

As far as the thread, any team in the country would be happy to get Keith Marshall. But if we get Byron (speed back from what I understand) and add a power back (Mahone, come on down) I think our staff will be ecstatic.

 

[BeauBenken]

I was responding to this specifically:



This struck me as a mocking mischaracterization of the argument we had over Greenberry. I never implied that the recruiting services are worthless, or that all of our recruits are systemically underrated. I simply think Greenberry's continuing dominance of 7ON tourneys against elite talent is a better indicator of potential than measurables + high school production; that's all.

If that's not what you were getting at, then please excuse my grumpiness.

You're always so grumpy. lol

But I'm tellin' y'all it's because of me we are even having this discussion...

 

[Domina Nostra]

Like Floyd? Do you mean in speed cus I thought Byron had elite speed too?

I thought I could get away with some code. I meant that, like Floyd, Byron has deceptive speed despite not having the prettiest looking stride.

I would agree with your assessment for the most part Domina. The only thing I would add is that Keith is elite at the cut-back. The kid can stop on a dime and accelerate like no other back that I have seen in this class. Byron obviously needs to work on his ball security from the way he just dangles it out there, but that can obviously be taught. Byron actually reminds me more of Cierre than Keith does and Byron seems to read the field more, looking for the holes rather than just taking off and making guys miss along the way.

Good points. I agree.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

To be honest id take byron over keith. Both have speed...byron has an all around game as of now. Byron also has great bloodlines and just watch his youtube highlights......very impressive

 

[Praytorian]

No I cant say I'd take Byron over Keith.
Also, we are very homerish so there are many who we have stated that should have been higher by recruiting services. Look at Ben Councel from last year (My fav. recruit), and DG from this year. I have no problem with this because I'm a complete homer, but those 2 are correct that we do it.

Go Irish

 

[Irish Man3]

Byron is the best back in Cali, while Keith is the best back in the nation. I agree that either would be an amazong pick up but I have a strong belief that the only reason anyone would "prefer" Byron over Keith right now is because Byron is showing more love to ND. Just my opinion. K Marshall is the unanimous number one runningback in the country by the scouting agencies. He has not shown nearly as much love to ND as Byron, and now all of a sudden we'd prefer Byron? I think not.

I love Byron Marshall's game but lets not be the kind of fans we bash on daily please.

 

[enrico514]

I would love either!

But Byron is much bigger and stronger, has great speed and has put up way better numbers to date against better competition. Kid is a stud even though his highlight reel is not as impressive... then again who's is ?

 

[BeauBenken]

I would love either!

But Byron is much bigger and stronger, has great speed and has put up way better numbers to date against better competition. Kid is a stud even though his highlight reel is not as impressive... then again who's is ?

I'm not sure about that. Word was that Keith bulked up considerably.

 

[ryno 24]

Keith Marshall is an absolute freak I would take him as my first choice but Byron is more likely so therefore I am high on him as well. How about we get both backs

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Aw heck with it let's be greedy and get both of these guys! lol. I love both of these kids and would elated to get either one of them. Keith Marshall is the better of the two but not by too much. If we get any of these guys t will be a happy day for sure.

 

[crzychris]

As far as the thread, any team in the country would be happy to get Keith Marshall. But if we get Byron (speed back from what I understand) and add a power back (Mahone, come on down) I think our staff will be ecstatic.

+1 Mahone with EITHER of these two backs makes for a great platoon. However, from what little tape I've seen, Keith blows me away. I'll be happy with either though.

 

[hrc08]

Whichever one ends up at ND will naturally be annointed the RKG out of the two, and if it's Keith Marshall we'll parade about the fact he's the Number 1 RB and a 5-star... If it's Byron we'll talk about how the recruiting services are flawed and how he was underrated.

So, either way we'll win as long as we sign one of them.

You must have grown up in a ND family.