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Irish Man3

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'Cuse was his leader until we offered him yesterday. Now, it's anyone's guess. Personally, I'll be flabbergasted if he doesn't pick ND next week.

He originally wanted to play RB at the next level. Then he did well as an OLB in a few camps, and warmed up to defense. No one knows for sure where he's projecting for us.

His 40-time is listed as 4.4, and given our dire need at RB, how do we take him as an OLB? He'd be more a project at that position, and would likely have a hard time breaking into the two-deep behind Ishaq, Shembo, Councell, Spond, and maybe Rabasa.

'Cuse IS his leader according to himself in an interview on ISD AFTER recieving his ND offer. That doesn't mean that he won't pick ND when it's all said and done, but he was directly quoted to saying that Syracuse was STILL his leader.

Also, ND went from recruiting him as a RB to an athlete because of his desire to play defense. Also directly quoted from the same interview about his desire to play on the defensive side of the ball after his success in various camps.

Read the article yourself:

http://www.irishsportsdaily.com/rec...cruiting/4868-perkins-has-offer-leader-a-date

"Syracuse is definitely still number one."
 

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Missed that interview (how did a summary of that not get posted here?)

Apologies, Irish Man3.
 

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I love our commitment to the DB position. Kelly & company said that is their focus and they've had a great start and it looks like they're going to be able to add to that class as well.

Would love to see what happens when that focus moves to RB. I feel like that has to be the new #1 need at this point considering the DB haul already plus the serious interest from a few (elite) others.
 

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Would love to see what happens when that focus moves to RB. I feel like that has to be the new #1 need at this point considering the DB haul already plus the serious interest from a few (elite) others.

I got into an argument with my dad today about just that. I felt the same way you did, but he kept asserting that RB is the least important position on the entire team and that between a budding star in Cierre, a veteran with power (if he ever decides to use it) in Jonas, a polished and versatile freshman in Cam and a burner in George... he didn't really understand why there was so much panic.

After discussing it, I'm inclined to agree with him. If George stays at RB we definitely still need to take two guys (because who knows how Roberson recovers...) but I'm more comfortable without having someone locked up yet. You can almost guarantee that we will get two people and I truly don't think there is much of a difference between the #5 RB and the #30 RB.
 

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When you look at our roster in a "four-deep" mode, and give a little slack in the O-line for about a three-and-a-half deep mode, you can see what Kelly and the staff see in terms of the season after this and the one after that --- this is what they aim towards.

Looked at that way, there are four QBs and four TEs stacked up, and nearly the same D-Linemen arrays. What I'm talking about is arrays of four-deep personnel wherein three-deep [at least] of them look pretty high quality. This is what LAX' dad is talking about at RB. The coaches wouldn't quite agree with him on that due to Roberson's injury and the doubt it casts upon his future abilities, though. And the fact that I believe they really would rather have GAIII at receiver.

With Prestwood's stunning commitment, the O-line looks significantly better off. Still we'll need the replacements, as we lose the top two LGs and the LT and soon thereafter the top two Centers.

The "holes" are the famous and obvious cornerback hole [a "hole" is defined as a place where significant personnel will graduate and the solidity behind them is unproven and a bit questionable.] The next hole is wide receiver. And the third hole is middle linebacker. NT is a serious want as well, but as we've been hearing several athletes are being considered as filling in there [people like Kona and Big Tony and maybe even Niklaus or Tuitt].

The students are looking at these same things in their way. That is why we find it so easy this year to sign DBs. The WRs see opportunities too. The O-Linemen as well. QBs and DEs don't nor do TEs [though our reputation might save us there].

The mismatch of solidity-to-signees is at RB. I can only explain this by saying: 1). Kelly is being particular, or at least was early; and 2). the kids are suspicious of the spread. So, who's next?? I'd bet on a WR or an OT. But a RB, NT, ILB would be great.
 

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'Cuse was his leader until we offered him yesterday. Now, it's anyone's guess. Personally, I'll be flabbergasted if he doesn't pick ND next week.

He originally wanted to play RB at the next level. Then he did well as an OLB in a few camps, and warmed up to defense. No one knows for sure where he's projecting for us.

His 40-time is listed as 4.4, and given our dire need at RB, how do we take him as an OLB? He'd be more a project at that position, and would likely have a hard time breaking into the two-deep behind Ishaq, Shembo, Councell, Spond, and maybe Rabasa.

The 4.4 (4.43, as listed on his junior year YouTube highlight tape) speed appears to be a bit of an embellishment. Judging on his highlight tape, he looks closer to a low 4.5/high 4.6 guy. Of course he has enormous strides, so this could all be rubbish.

He's very impressive physically and runs with power, so I could see him as a change-of-pace power back to constrast with the speedier backs we're recruiting.


As for the next commitment, I think another DB.
 
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So Perkins was next. Anyone feel that Dieter could be someone that could get an offer next?

I do.

I hope Treggs, Neal, and Smith take a look at committing real soon as well.

We have tons of recruits coming to visit this month. By the end of June, I think we will have picked up 5 more commits.

We might be done with recruiting by August.

Keith Marshall and DGB (DBG), enter please.
 

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So Perkins was next. Anyone feel that Dieter could be someone that could get an offer next?

As much as I'd like us to offer him I just cant see it hapenning with all the other WRs interested in us.

I have no idea who might be next but hopefully its Geno Smith
 

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I do.

I hope Treggs, Neal, and Smith take a look at committing real soon as well.

We have tons of recruits coming to visit this month. By the end of June, I think we will have picked up 5 more commits.

We might be done with recruiting by August.

Keith Marshall and DGB (DBG), enter please.

So many great guys in this year's class. So few spots. I have a feeling you are right about that, too. People see what's hot and right now it's the Irish.
 

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As much as I'd like us to offer him I just cant see it hapenning with all the other WRs interested in us.

I have no idea who might be next but hopefully its Geno Smith

Dieter has versatility to play multiple positions. I would rather seem him play defense than offense to be honest. Geno Smith could be the next and that is what I was hoping for. Wright and Treggs would be awesome too.
 

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Darboh or Neal, Smith or Wright, and Treggs before the season starts.

Looks like we skip on QB and TE this year. I don't think we'll get commitments from elite RBs, OL, NTs, or OLBs until we start winning this fall.
 

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Darboh or Neal, Smith or Wright, and Treggs before the season starts.

Looks like we skip on QB and TE this year. I don't think we'll get commitments from elite RBs, OL, NTs, or OLBs until we start winning this fall.

I bolded the only part I don't agree with. I think Sheldon Day pulls the trigger next after his visit. I'm almost convinced we get one of Kirven/Schutt/Watkins/Day sooner rather than later... to me that is the only reasonable conclusion as to why we aren't pounding on ****tu's door every day and night... I think our staff feels like they are in good shape with these guys.
 

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I bolded the only part I don't agree with. I think Sheldon Day pulls the trigger next after his visit. I'm almost convinced we get one of Kirven/Schutt/Watkins/Day sooner rather than later... to me that is the only reasonable conclusion as to why we aren't pounding on ****tu's door every day and night... I think our staff feels like they are in good shape with these guys.

I M think same thing,and i belive it DAY
 

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I do.

I hope Treggs, Neal, and Smith take a look at committing real soon as well.

We have tons of recruits coming to visit this month. By the end of June, I think we will have picked up 5 more commits.

We might be done with recruiting by August.

Keith Marshall and DGB (DBG), enter please.

I actually disagree. I think we are going to slow down with recruiting now for a bit, and be much more selective with offers and acceptances, which is why I think it is less likely now that Dieter gets an offer than before. If some top players want to commit now, awesome, but the majority of elite players wait and play out the process and we should welcome that because of our ability to now show patience and because a great start could even peak the interest of recruits who aren't highly interested in the Irish at this point.
 

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I bolded the only part I don't agree with. I think Sheldon Day pulls the trigger next after his visit. I'm almost convinced we get one of Kirven/Schutt/Watkins/Day sooner rather than later... to me that is the only reasonable conclusion as to why we aren't pounding on Sh!tttu's door every day and night... I think our staff feels like they are in good shape with these guys.

I hope you're right. NT and RB strike me as the biggest holes in our current class.
 

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I hope you're right. NT and RB strike me as the biggest holes in our current class.

While I agree with you and think we should target and get a NT in this class (I liken it to QB - I want 1 a year), the mods on ISD seem to think we may not get a true NT at all this year, along with QB or TE.
 

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Back on the Dieter question... he is good but we are going for two ELITE Wide recievers and Dieter is not elite he we also have an elite db core and he is not elite at that either. I am sorry he is not being recruited by some of the tops and their is a reason that Kelly and co have not give but not great
 
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I actually disagree. I think we are going to slow down with recruiting now for a bit, and be much more selective with offers and acceptances, which is why I think it is less likely now that Dieter gets an offer than before. If some top players want to commit now, awesome, but the majority of elite players wait and play out the process and we should welcome that because of our ability to now show patience and because a great start could even peak the interest of recruits who aren't highly interested in the Irish at this point.

Kelly has historically preferred to be done with recruiting ASAP.

So, we will see.

You are allowed to disagree. But the price for doing so is high.


j/k ;)
 

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I don't think Dieter gets an offer.

Our primary focus from here on out is:
RB
OT
DB, more specifically a Free Safety with Speed, Schmate or Jarod Wilson come to mind.

Secondary focus on:
NT
OLB
WR - wait for elite DGB and/or steal Jordan Payton.
DE - wait for elite Noah

Skip on:
QB
TE
 

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Kelly has historically preferred to be done with recruiting ASAP.

So, we will see.

You are allowed to disagree. But the price for doing so is high.


j/k ;)

Haha. So historically can be used for a one year time span? :love: I see what you're saying, but I think it is important to note the major differences in the ND recruiting scene for BK since last cycle. BK was in his first year at ND and "enjoyed" probably the most tumultuous 1st season on and off the field as HC in ND history. He was recruiting from a position of little relative power initially, a problem which was compounded by the disappointing start to the season and the DS tragedy. He was never in a position to be patient and recruit the late-deciding elite athletes - he had to fill up early and then hold on for dear life. I believe that the late season surge allowed him to hold on to recruits, and entice those back who wavered, in admirable fashion while also allowing him to recruit from a much better position of power in this cycle. Why not take advantage of that option?

That late season surge has created a tangible buzz and excitement around the ND program that goes beyond ND nation, something that is evident when reading interviews from recruits lately about ND. A hot start to the season will increase this exponentially, and would make them a program that would be tough to beat in recruiting battles. Thus, instead of having to fill up and hold on throughout another "rebuilding" season pitching kids future greatness and the 40 year plan, they can offer prospects a legit chance at the BCS every season with the 40 year plan - a major difference. This could go a long way in helping us to snare those late-deciding 4 and 5 stars that we always seem to lose out on late in the cycle. It could also lead to interest from recruits that we are previously ignorant of in this cycle, as there are also late-popping intriguing names that pop up down the stretch. I get what you are saying, and we can surely agree to disagree amicably, but I know I would just much rather a season and recruiting cycle where I am optimistic about late elite recruits and the staff's ability to sell kids with the (finally) added bonus of actually winning than wallowing after another loss and freaking out over our commits wavering and decommitting - sometimes leaving us high and dry.
 
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Haha. So...

I wasn't referring to last season at all.

I was referring to his time spent elsewhere.

If anything, I think Kelly didn't secure nearly as early as he would have liked to, a la Mack Brown-esque.

I look forward to the day we can accelerate to that level.

It can happen and should be the prototype. I lay down this: Get on board quickly. If you don't, we won't have room for you.

Then you save just a few slots for the truly elite.
 

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I don't think Dieter gets an offer unless it is because we have an open spot on signing day. Ala Heggie.

You guys can call me crazy, but I truly believe that we land Yuri Wright AND Geno Smith. One of which, will be next.

Mark it...
 

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I don't think Dieter gets an offer unless it is because we have an open spot on signing day. Ala Heggie.

You guys can call me crazy, but I truly believe that we land Yuri Wright AND Geno Smith. One of which, will be next.

Mark it...

Bold!
 

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I don't think Dieter gets an offer unless it is because we have an open spot on signing day. Ala Heggie.

You guys can call me crazy, but I truly believe that we land Yuri Wright AND Geno Smith. One of which, will be next.

Mark it...

Perhaps the staff is waiting on prospects (Treggs, Darboh, Gilmore) that have high Notre Dame interest before offering somebody they believe is a lesser fit.
 

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If we do get both Geno & Yuri to go along with Darby, Shepard, Baratti & Prosise..... just wow. Even if we get one of the two, still amazing.
 

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Perhaps the staff is waiting on prospects (Treggs, Darboh, Gilmore) that have high Notre Dame interest before offering somebody they believe is a lesser fit.

That's exactly why I think that if he does get an offer, it wont be until near NSD. Don't forget about DGB either.


Bold? Confident? Manly Super-God? I resemble any of them, so whichever one rolls off the tongue best.

If we do get both Geno & Yuri to go along with Darby, Shepard, Baratti & Prosise..... just wow. Even if we get one of the two, still amazing.

I believe that Kelly is trying to build an elite team, one position group at a time. This year, it's DB's. If at this time last year I told all of you that Tuitt, Lynch, Ishaq, Councell, Hounshell, Rabasa and Niklas would all be Irish... well, you would all call me crazy...

Maybe I am crazy?...... yup.... crazy like a fox watching ND land top 10 classes on the regular!
 

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I don't see Geno picking ND, he stays south. Very confident we land Yuri Wright. Our CB's will rival our DE (inluding Ishaq and Councell) class from last year.

Unfortunately I do not see ND landing a "stud" safety. Hopefully this changes after the visits start
 
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