Report: Tressell Resigns from Ohio State

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm calmer than you are dude...

A little Lebowski reference to lighten the mood.

AM I THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE WHO GIVES A SH!T
ABOUT THE RULES?

Lookin' at you, NCAA.

 

[TDHeysus]

Not quite a bomb, but I think it's death by a thousand paper cuts. I think they dodge a lot by deflecting onto Tressel but I also think there is no way they escape this without some pretty heavy sanctions... especially if the Pryor probe turns up anything.

the thing that got USC was multiple violations across multiple sports, the lack of inst. control charge, along with all the other stuff.

the OSU thing so far appears to be just within the football program, but it looks like it has been going on for quite awhile; and defintely appears to be 'part of the culture behind the scenes' at tOSU. the cheating there apparently is a well-oiled machine that has been running for quite a few years now, which suggests it involves a number of other ppl. The whole rigging the raffle thing sounds so bad "Thats Jim Tressel" ....haha.

I think its as big as the USC thing is, except without the lack of inst. control element to it. I think the sanctions that tOSU will get (and they are acomin' sports fans) will be less than what U$C got.

 

[IrishLax]

the thing that got USC was multiple violations across multiple sports, the lack of inst. control charge, along with all the other stuff.

the OSU thing so far appears to be just within the football program, but it looks like it has been going on for quite awhile; and defintely appears to be 'part of the culture behind the scenes' at tOSU. the cheating there apparently is a well-oiled machine that has been running for quite a few years now, which suggests it involves a number of other ppl. The whole rigging the raffle thing sounds so bad "Thats Jim Tressel" ....haha.

I think its as big as the USC thing is, except without the lack of inst. control element to it. I think the sanctions that tOSU will get (and they are acomin' sports fans) will be less than what U$C got.

You forget they had a huge basketball scandal in '04. I'm not sure if they're still on probation or not... I think I heard they went on probation for 3 years in '06... so they would dodge that bullet. Even without LOIC, I still cannot fathom them getting off scott free if it turns out Pryor has been taking benefits for his career. It doesn't get more 'high profile' than Pryor driving a dozen freaking cars. I wouldn't be surprised if they have to vacate at least all three seasons he played... and then I would imagine similar sanctions to USC. Probably 5-10 scholarships a year for 2-4 years with at least a 1 year bowl ban because of last year. I think the max we're looking at would be a 3 year bowl ban + 1 year TV ban if the NCAA really wants to send a message.

I half expect them to go "light" on Ohio State and then give UNC a freaking death penalty. That storm is still brewing and when all is said and done could end up being even worse than OSU if people talk. All around the nation right now dirty programs are telling their players to keep their traps shut and heads down and all will be OK. An email started the fire in Columbus... a Twitter post about a party started it in Chapel Hill... when will people learn?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I half expect them to go "light" on Ohio State and then give UNC a freaking death penalty. ... when will people learn?

Head Coach Butch Davis? Associated with Southwest Conference, Jimmy Johnson, University of Miami, and now North Carolina? **** roackes ...

 

[irish1958]

You forget they had a huge basketball scandal in '04. I'm not sure if they're still on probation

Actually, it is five years, and the football infractions occurred within this framework.

 

[IrishLax]

Actually, it is five years, and the football infractions occurred within this framework.

Thanks for clearing that up for me... with that being the case, you'd have to assume LOIC would pop up somewhere later in this process.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

In reference to Charles Robinson's interview where he discussed the rating scale of Ohio State's story vs. other schools, he stated that in his opinion, this story was an 8. He said he has a 6-7 or maybe an 8 (depending on where you live); so this rules out ND. He also said he has a bombshell story that will hit in August. He rated this story a 10.

This 10 is not ND, correct? I know we had discussed this back in March, but re-reading that story this morning in the other thread made me re-worry. Is ND relative enough to be considered a 10 considering they have won 2 middle-of-the-road bowl games in the past however many years? Or would they be considered a 10 just because it is Notre Dame who relies on the reputation of "doing it the right way"?

In my opinion, this Tressel stuff is a 10 considering they have a monster following and we have almost 200 posts about it on an ND blog.

If this OSU story is only an 8 in Robinson's opinion, what could possibly be bigger? I based my opinions factoring the suprise, "holy cow, what an idiot" effect (which was how the Tressel info caught me).

Texas- Definitely could be a 10 due to their fan base, success, and Mack Brown reminds me of Tressel.
USC- Already been caught, so no 10.
Auburn- Cam info has been swirling for a while now and it wouldnt shock me if they were exposed so I say no 10 because it would not suprise me.
Florida- I guess they could be a 10 but it would not suprise me. What Would be crazy is if it was Tebow recruting violations, that would blow my mind just because of how upstanding he is (I am a Tebow fan). I always wondered if violations were the reason Urban up and left UF. I know they said health, but still...
Alabama- I dont think they are any bigger than OSU and Tressel. Plus, not sure if I'd be suprised.
Penn State- Paterno is too old to know how to break the rules. I think they are being investigated on why they can't keep PA recruits in-state. Now that is a violaiton...
Oklahoma- I do not think they'd be a 10.
Tennessee- Not relevant enough, but basketball violations seem to go hand-in-hand with football violations.
Oregon- Would not suprise me so I say not bigger than an 8.
LSU- Who cares, Unless Saban did something dumb to affect them and then did the same thing to Bama.
Michigan- Eh, whatever- No 10.

Unless the schools above I considered to be a non-10 did something absolutely insane like buy an offensive line an apartment complex, then I think it boils down to Texas and Florida (and maybe ND?). Texas seems to be the popular choice.

I guess the only reason for this post is for my peace of mind that you guys do not think ND would be the "10" story that he is referring to....

 

[Epitome]

So, I just read SI article. I really can't believe how non groundbreaking it really was. Everything in it was common knowledge. Great investigative work boys!

 

[NDinL.A.]

So, I just read SI article. I really can't believe how non groundbreaking it really was. Everything in it was common knowledge. Great investigative work boys!

It was more the depth of the scandal (at least 28 players) and the witnesses that will be able to speak to the NCAA which were huge. The Youngstown St stuff was old news, but it was still news to me because I didn't know that stuff. Also, the weed thing could come back to bite them in the arses later.

For me personally, it was huge simply because the depth of the trouble and the fact that Tressel sat idly by, and their 'huge' compliance dept did jack squat about everything. If USC got 30 schollies and 2 bowls (potentially) taken away, then OSU should get the exact same if not worse...

 

[mgriff]

Sports Illustrated investigation on Jim Tressel, Ohio State - SI.com - Magazine

Didn't see it linked yet. I'm going to read it now.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

This is apparently the latest of Pryor's vehicles....Apparently....don't judge me if it's not.

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg620/scaled.php?tn=0&server=620&filename=ni9qda.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

It was more the depth of the scandal (at least 28 players) and the witnesses that will be able to speak to the NCAA which were huge. The Youngstown St stuff was old news, but it was still news to me because I didn't know that stuff.

For me personally, it was huge simply because the depth of the trouble and the fact that Tressel sat idly by, and their 'huge' compliance dept did jack squat about everything.

Yea, I agree. Typically, I don't care about stories of which the media tries to blow up. For me, this whole story intrigues me. From the Youngstown State stuff and the shady people that were involved to the Ohio State tattoo guy who was arrested for drugs to the Ohio State car salesman who I picture as Buddy Garrity from Friday Night Lights. It could be a movie. Its a 10 IMO.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Gotlieb is tweeting like crazy, replying to alot of peoples tweets to him.

He made a point saying somehting to the effect of crazy how he destroyed Rich Rod by not signing with scUM and destroyed Ohio State by signing with them.

Haha.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

In reference to Charles Robinson's interview where he discussed the rating scale of Ohio State's story vs. other schools, he stated that in his opinion, this story was an 8. He said he has a 6-7 or maybe an 8 (depending on where you live); so this rules out ND. He also said he has a bombshell story that will hit in August. He rated this story a 10.

This 10 is not ND, correct? I know we had discussed this back in March, but re-reading that story this morning in the other thread made me re-worry. Is ND relative enough to be considered a 10 considering they have won 2 middle-of-the-road bowl games in the past however many years? Or would they be considered a 10 just because it is Notre Dame who relies on the reputation of "doing it the right way"?

In my opinion, this Tressel stuff is a 10 considering they have a monster following and we have almost 200 posts about it on an ND blog.

If this OSU story is only an 8 in Robinson's opinion, what could possibly be bigger? I based my opinions factoring the suprise, "holy cow, what an idiot" effect (which was how the Tressel info caught me).

Texas- Definitely could be a 10 due to their fan base, success, and Mack Brown reminds me of Tressel.
USC- Already been caught, so no 10.
Auburn- Cam info has been swirling for a while now and it wouldnt shock me if they were exposed so I say no 10 because it would not suprise me.
Florida- I guess they could be a 10 but it would not suprise me. What Would be crazy is if it was Tebow recruting violations, that would blow my mind just because of how upstanding he is (I am a Tebow fan). I always wondered if violations were the reason Urban up and left UF. I know they said health, but still...
Alabama- I dont think they are any bigger than OSU and Tressel. Plus, not sure if I'd be suprised.
Penn State- Paterno is too old to know how to break the rules. I think they are being investigated on why they can't keep PA recruits in-state. Now that is a violaiton...
Oklahoma- I do not think they'd be a 10.
Tennessee- Not relevant enough, but basketball violations seem to go hand-in-hand with football violations.
Oregon- Would not suprise me so I say not bigger than an 8.
LSU- Who cares, Unless Saban did something dumb to affect them and then did the same thing to Bama.
Michigan- Eh, whatever- No 10.

Unless the schools above I considered to be a non-10 did something absolutely insane like buy an offensive line an apartment complex, then I think it boils down to Texas and Florida (and maybe ND?). Texas seems to be the popular choice.

I guess the only reason for this post is for my peace of mind that you guys do not think ND would be the "10" story that he is referring to....

Perhaps the "10" story is not about an individual school, but rather a Conference. If revelations about the $EC as a whole came out that pulled multiple schools (and I use that term loosely) down, it may actually have greater shock value with greater penalties than what we've seen or will see with U$C and O$U. Just a thought. Stay Thirsty my Friends.

 

[Veer option]

OSU sucks...there I said it.

 

[Rocket89]

If the Ohio State fiasco is only a 8, the only other 10 would be Auburn.

Think about it...there's no way a story on that magnitude is going to break without anyone having any clue about it's contents. I just don't see that happening.

For this reason, I don't think Notre Dame is in trouble. How could we be?

Other than Auburn, the only other school I could see is North Carolina, and I'm not sure whatever punishment they may get would be a 10.

I've seen zero evidence pointing to Texas being the program.

Auburn on the other hand, the smoke is still billowing from their cheating. It's institutionalized there, the FBI is involved, it's incredibly shady. Sounds like a 10 to me.

 

[irishpat183]

If the Ohio State fiasco is only a 8, the only other 10 would be Auburn.

Think about it...there's no way a story on that magnitude is going to break without anyone having any clue about it's contents. I just don't see that happening.

For this reason, I don't think Notre Dame is in trouble. How could we be?

Other than Auburn, the only other school I could see is North Carolina, and I'm not sure whatever punishment they may get would be a 10.

I've seen zero evidence pointing to Texas being the program.

Auburn on the other hand, the smoke is still billowing from their cheating. It's institutionalized there, the FBI is involved, it's incredibly shady. Sounds like a 10 to me.

I agree, AUB seems to be the logically choice. But that's not really a "suprise"...

I would also throw ORE in there as well. Some shady stuff going on up there as well.

 

[Irish2015]

Source: NFL supplemental draft in July if needed - ESPN

looks like pryor could still enter the supplemental draft.

 

[phgreek]

I try not to make assumptions about who knew what before the original story broke...but simply observe attitudes that lead to trouble...here ya go.

Smith and Gee had this to say until this weekend:

"Smith and Ohio State President Gordon Gee, though, heaped praise on Tressel and said they were behind him 100 percent. Gee even joked when asked if he had considered firing the coach: "No, are you kidding? Let me just be very clear: I'm just hopeful the coach doesn't dismiss me." "

...Yes Gee said it tongue in cheek, but I think his humor is telling. He was backing off because Gee still thinks his popularity outweighs the truth...I must conclude OSU chose not to do a thorough investigation, based on the ease and frequency with which new evidence appears on the scene. So I can forgive Gee for being duped initially, because who wasn't...the vest was a master. But Gee's attitude, and lack of follow-up and leadership seems to have lead us to a point where the NCAA will demolish this program.

Look, USC and OSU seem to have this in common...They propose some self-sanctions based on what the NCAA knows today in hopes they don't find out more of what happened...SERIOUSLY? Is that in any way consistent with ANY reasonable value system...other than that of lawyers? Not bagging on lawyers. They are taught a thought process, avoid liability...thats their value in an organization. Just like an engineer...both have tremendous value, but if you let either run the game plan, you will be off your organizational vision PDQ. Leaders know when to say to lawyers, this isn't a hit on you, stand down, we need to fix this, and we need to take the hit...so where was Gee when the smoke started to become visible?

Yes as an ND fan it is rewarding to see cheaters pay. As a college football fan, I wonder when this conduct is dealt with like steroids in baseball...a full on purge, and a forced culture change...it is this pervasive hypocritical attitude that shows itself in too many programs, the BCS, and the NCAA itself...its nearing time to hit the reset button.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

...Yes Gee said it tongue in cheek, but I think his humor is telling. He was backing off because Gee still thinks his popularity outweighs the truth...I must conclude OSU chose not to do a thorough investigation, based on the ease and frequency with which new evidence appears on the scene. So I can forgive Gee for being duped initially, because who wasn't...the vest was a master. But Gee's attitude, and lack of follow-up and leadership seems to have lead us to a point where the NCAA will demolish this program.

If you think the NCAA is going to give the death penalty to Ohio State, you are mistaken.

 

[phgreek]

If you think the NCAA is going to give the death penalty to Ohio State, you are mistaken.

I should be more carefull I guess...SMU-like death penalties are probably not ever going to happen...sanctions (reduced scholarships, etc.), in addition to a constant stream of bad pub will be OSU's cross. I think what OSU gets will be another step in severity from USC.

Coming back for OSU will require a big name coach, and who wants that job right now? What you have is a program in limbo, so recruiting is going to suffer immediately...recruiting and on-field sucess will continue to suffer while they await sanctions, then they need to live through the sanctions themselves.

...starting in 2012, that program is in bad shape...maybe sooner.

My semi-hip-shooting prediction is:

- 2011 results in a 4 loss season
- 2012 sanctions are announced that take effect in 2013 and span say 5 years
- 2018 OSU gets a proven winner to take the program
- 2021 they win the B10 again

10 years...Given they are the perenial B10 champion today, and won't rebuild til about 2020 or so (IMO), I'd call that "demolish", however, if that word leads folks to believe I mean SMU...Na, I don't think the NCAA has the fortitude to do it anymore, even if they thought this rose to a level where they would consider it.

On a side note...Pretty sure this news was like another sip from the fountain of youth for Ole JOEPA. He has a window now where Michigan and OSU will be down...I'm sure he's still capable of doing that math...

 

[RyCo1983]

On a side note...Pretty sure this news was like another sip from the fountain of youth for Ole JOEPA. He has a window now where Michigan and OSU will be down...I'm sure he's still capable of doing that math...

He's not capable of using the restroom and can hardly speak intelligibly.
His staff, the actual coaches however, will do the math...and get killed by Nebraska.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

On a side note...Pretty sure this news was like another sip from the fountain of youth for Ole JOEPA. He has a window now where Michigan and OSU will be down...I'm sure he's still capable of doing that math...

4-year average of recruiting class rankings for top B1G programs:

OSU- 11
Michigan- 16
Nebraska- 24
Penn St.- 28

OSU won't be falling off a cliff in 2011, but when they do start to falter, it'll be Michigan and Nebraska fighting to step into the vacuum, not PSU.

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

I found this quote from another sight I read. I go there for news about Cleveland sports, but today I figure I would read the O$U forums I found this post rather funny and sad at the same time.

Read the SI article. Imagine the horror - college students trading stuff for spending money, taking part time jobs where they don't do much work, driving cars they didn't buy and don't own, and going to parties where people smoke dope. That's like, well, pretty much the experience of every single college student on a major college campus in America, isn't it?

The players broke rules and they have to answer for it. Tressel lied and broke rules and he is answering for it. That is how it should be. But for the love of God can somebody explain to me why a college football player can't get an arranged part time job or sell something they own for a tat or pizza money? Aren't those things that every 19 year-old kid in America does or tries to do?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

All this -

At least this didn't turn into a dog Ohio Sate thread.

Mike Golic had the greatest response to Michigan fans that called in gloating: These Ohio State players were being recuruited by Michigan, Ann Arbor just couldn't make the final cut!


I told everybody I knew that I just dreamed (within the past couple months) that UT, (THE University of Toledo) would beat the Buckeyes this fall. Now it's looking pretty possible. Nobody will be playing 'cause State will do anything possible to stave off the death penalty. (Lying to the NCAA = real bad). It may not work; the NCAA is going to figure it needs a "SMU like" death penalty example. Maybe a couple of them . . .

 

[Ben E.]

I found this quote from another sight I read. I go there for news about Cleveland sports, but today I figure I would read the O$U forums I found this post rather funny and sad at the same time.

yea the difference is most of us had to pay for our education where as they dont...

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

yea the difference is most of us had to pay for our education where as they dont...

LOL Thats exactly what I thought too.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It may not work; the NCAA is going to figure it needs a "SMU like" death penalty example. Maybe a couple . . .

I do wonder about this. They're not directly related, but the BCS is getting a lot of heat from Congress, and the NCAA is frequently derided as a corrupt and ineffective governing body. If it feels that it needs to "clean up" college football in order to stave off congressional action on other fronts, perhaps they do start dropping the hammer on programs like OSU.

 

[phgreek]

He's not capable of using the restroom and can hardly speak intelligibly.
His staff, the actual coaches however, will do the math...and get killed by Nebraska.

...now thats funny.

We'll see what Nebraska has...JOEPA'S odds are certainly better if Michigan and OSU are down...it was really a joke regarding another excuse for him to stay on....even longer...

 

[ACamp1900]

yeah, I'm close to predicting Nebraska is going to embarrass this conference right off the bat in year one...


Penn St.???? ...anything is possible but, yeah, I really don't see it....