Sep 11 | Michigan at Notre Dame

GEORGIA DOMER

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ur right my bad i guess the first time i watched it i shut it off when it went to color with the pass that beat us. keep it nice video now that i watched it all. were still going to win :)
 

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Yeah I think it's a great video. As for beating us I don't know about that ;)
 

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I'm thinking we'll play the run and force them to show they can pass, but we'll see how they throw against Connecticut.
 

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I am just perplexed as to how UM fans are looking at a 9+ win season this year. Already over looking UConn (Who will be a BigEast contender this year), passing up ND as a "New coach, new defense", but aside from the cream puffs they aren't going to beat Iowa, Wisconsin or OSU.

And I thought some people around here sucked down the kool-aid by the bucket.
 

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Trust me, no one is over looking UConn. We could easily start out 0 and 2, but who wants to talk like that? Not me. UConn does match up with us better than do the Irish since they are very much a run first offence, but no one is over looking them.

As for the Irish, you're kinda a mystery. I mean BK is a great coach, and you've got some prime time players, but you still lost a lot and it will be your second game with all that new.
 

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Here's how I look at it. Last season, ND underachieved, and was outcoached by everyone they played. Even against Michigan, there were a dozen play calls that left me scratching my head. ND should have beat Michigan last year. Experience, talent...ND had michigan by the balls. Michigan had the better coach. Now... here i why I think ND will catch Michigan this year...

1. As you said, ND WR/TE against your secondary that is un-experienced, and injury ridden will be a big problem for you guys.

2. I do not expect our Defense to be lights out. But I do expect them to get better each week, and by the end of the season do pretty well. But that does not matter for UM bc its obviously in week 2. ND will be lucky because the strength of your offense matches up to the strength of our defense...our Dline/Line backers.

You will score your points early, but not enough to keep up with ND torching your secondary. Michigan will find itself down early and resort to throwing the ball to catch(DR/TF are not the best passers) which I think will lead to some turnovers/ ND points.

ND will take UM out of its game. Now, if you were a pass heavy team...I think ND would be introuble.

ND takes it by a comfortable margin.

Personally, I think if RR is given another year even if he gets only 7 wins...UM will be good. He'll have his boys from top to bottom. That spread, if ran correctly, would tear the slow big ten apart. I think though hell be forced out if he wins 7 or less, which would be a mistake on a few levels. I want UM and ND to be runnin CFB battling yearly for titles.

BTW MGOBLUE, whats a good kool-aid drinkin michigan forumn?I am a kool-aid drinkin irish fan and we could have some good discussions.
 

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wish I could tell you with certainty. I know he had more than a few at the beginning of his tenure, but that's to be expected swapping schemes like that. ...

31 (or whatever the number is) transfers is to be expected you say! What next the economy is rebounding? You sound like a White House spokesperson spinning. Yes, some do leave under a new regime but this is YEAR THREE.

BTW, how many of the defensive player deletions were due to the offense changing to the Spread?

How many arrests?

How many academic losses?

Why not blame the previous guy? It's in vogue when you aren't getting much done and want to deflect those that have noticed.


Austin White wasn't a Lloyd Carr holdover. He was in the Recruiting Class of 2010. He enrolled in January, 7 months ago. Lloyd Carr may have had White on the radar in the 9th grade as White played high school ball in Michigan but Carr didn't offer him. Rodriguez did! And he had 2 high school seasons to evaluate him, up close and personal.

White wasn't some last minute addition to the recruiting class from Idaho. He played in Livonia, Michigan. All that extra practice time (that he didn't know about) didn't keep Rodriguez too busy to drive 20 miles to watch White play, did it? Or did Rodriquez have the Quality Control Staff supervise recruiting as well (without his knowledge of course)?

White committed to Rodriguez in July and enrolled at UM in January. He was Rivals #10 All Purpose Back with 4.4 speed. Built for the spread. Recruited for the Spread. He played in the Spread in Spring Ball and now halfway through PreSeason Camp he's not good enough for "wings"?


Could you imagine Malletasourous Rex running the spread?

Yes, more effectively than it's been run the past two years at Michigan. Tebow was a couple of inches shorter but actually heavier than Mallet. Neither were built for speed but won games regardless. Mallet don't look now but he was voted PreSeason All SEC 1st Team QB by the SEC Coaches. Only threw for 3600 yds last year.
 

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Personally, I think if RR is given another year even if he gets only 7 wins...UM will be good. He'll have his boys from top to bottom. That spread, if ran correctly, would tear the slow big ten apart. I think though hell be forced out if he wins 7 or less, which would be a mistake on a few levels. I want UM and ND to be runnin CFB battling yearly for titles.

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You speak the TRUTH!!!! CFB Needs ND and scUM to be back at the top... Or maybe its just my personal wish. Any who I agree with ya.

GO IRISH!!!
 

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I am just perplexed as to how UM fans are looking at a 9+ win season this year. ...

Easy, they're counting the 3 wins from '08 and the 5 wins from '09.

Last year UM did not beat a team with a winning record. ND was the signature win at 6-6. Everybody else had a losing record: IU 4-8, WMU 5-7, EMU 3-9, and Div 1AA Delaware STATE 4-6.

In '08 their 3 wins came over Miami Ohio 2-10, and a WIS and MIN both at 7-6. (WIS and MIN both pummeled UM in '09).


Two years, 8 wins.

2 over 7-6 teams
1 over 6-6 team
5 over losing teams
 

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31 (or whatever the number is) transfers is to be expected you say! What next the economy is rebounding? You sound like a White House spokesperson spinning. Yes, some do leave under a new regime but this is YEAR THREE.

You said over a three year period and you were unsure of the number, I cannot find an article to support or disprove that number. Now yes we lost some stars; Boren, Mallet, and Clemons to name a few, but I don't remember anywhere near 31.
BTW, how many of the defensive player deletions were due to the offense changing to the Spread?

How many arrests?

How many academic losses?

I don't think we lost any defensive players to transfer, I could be wrong. We had a few that were not able to be admitted due to academics.

2 arrests that I can think of, Grady (sp), and cissoko. But cissoko was kicked off before he was arrested. By the way, how many Irish players were arrested earlier?

To my knowledge we haven't lost any admitted player to academic issues.

Why not blame the previous guy? It's in vogue when you aren't getting much done and want to deflect those that have noticed.
Lloyd was a great head coach and I'm positive he would of coached our team to 8-9 win team, but the University wanted a change and I agreed with it. Now whether RR is the man, we'll see.

Austin White wasn't a Lloyd Carr holdover. He was in the Recruiting Class of 2010. He enrolled in January, 7 months ago. Lloyd Carr may have had White on the radar in the 9th grade as White played high school ball in Michigan but Carr didn't offer him. Rodriguez did! And he had 2 high school seasons to evaluate him, up close and personal.

White wasn't some last minute addition to the recruiting class from Idaho. He played in Livonia, Michigan. All that extra practice time (that he didn't know about) didn't keep Rodriguez too busy to drive 20 miles to watch White play, did it? Or did Rodriquez have the Quality Control Staff supervise recruiting as well (without his knowledge of course)?

White committed to Rodriguez in July and enrolled at UM in January. He was Rivals #10 All Purpose Back with 4.4 speed. Built for the spread. Recruited for the Spread. He played in the Spread in Spring Ball and now halfway through PreSeason Camp he's not good enough for "wings"?

Obviously he didn't earn it, neither did Tate, but Tate chose to work harder and try and be better. White did not. As I said in another thread, he seemed to be deeper in the depth chart than he would of liked, and decided to leave. What are you going to do?



Yes, more effectively than it's been run the past two years at Michigan. Tebow was a couple of inches shorter but actually heavier than Mallet. Neither were built for speed but won games regardless. Mallet don't look now but he was voted PreSeason All SEC 1st Team QB by the SEC Coaches. Only threw for 3600 yds last year.

Mallet would of run BK's spread more effectively, not RR's. RR runs a run first spread, Mallet was a statue, I'm glad he left. Not because I didn't want him, but I want him to succeed and I think he'll be better off with a more pro style offence.
 
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Let's go Huskies

Amen!

Hey guys, go to Michigan's official football website: University of Michigan Official Athletic Site

Go to the Countdown to Kickoff Day 14 video. At 0:45, Austin White has 2 guns on the counter in front of him! Talk about packing some heat. For a coach and players' dinner? wow

Apparently they're pellet guns. Pfft.


I wonder why Michigan fans say we have a "new quarterback, new offense, new defense" and cite those as reasons they'll win, when they have...

1. A quarterback who, so far in his career, is 14-31 for 188 yards with 2 TDs and 4 INTs. Denard Robinson was 0-4 for 0 yards with 2 INTs against Eastern Michigan (0-12, 107th ranked defense). He's a glorified running back/wide receiver playing quarterback, IMO. He looks good in practice, but aren't quarterbacks supposed to look good against that Michigan defense?

2. A new defensive scheme, the 3-3-5 (a glorified version of the 3-4)

3. A defensive coordinator who... A) Coached up the 81st ranked defense in 2009 and B) Has never ran the 3-3-5 before

Who has the advantage? We do. We are...

A) At home. The crowd will be more electric than usual. We have a new coach. We have a new offense. We could be electrified after a win over Purdue.

B) Loaded at the wide receiver and tight end positions. They have no experience in the secondary. Added to that, we have a 6'3, 227 pound receiver (Floyd), a 6'6", 260+ pound tight end (Rudolph), another 6'6", 250+ pound tight end (Eifert), and a 6'5" wide receiver (Kamara) who will see significant time against the Wolverines. Up against a smaller and much inexperienced group of corners? Look out. Redshirt soph Roy Roundtree was apparently broke free up the seam deep several time in their open scrimmage earlier this week. Roundtree is not Floyd. We'll probably get a couple of big plays over the top with Michael.

C) We go up against the 3-3-5. That's three down linemen. They have a fourth who, much like Darius Fleming and the Cat linebacker in our defense, kind of acts as a linebacker-defensive end hybrid (sophomore Craig Roh, 238 pounds and pretty damn good). Michigan fans get excited for Mike Martin, nose tackle, but the guy didn't do squat against us last year and unless our interior line is remarkably bad, he shouldn't be much of a threat in the grand scheme of things (he may pressure Dayne a couple of times, I think he's good enough). I'm confident we'll be able to run on Michigan. We could last year (Allen averaged nearly 7 yards per carry and finished with 139 yards), and they had Brandon Graham. They'll be in a pickle defensively. If we can run AND throw, what are they going to do? Unlike Charlie, you won't see Kelly abandoning the run if it's working (Purdue, anyone?). They bring the linebackers up and we hit 'em deep with Floyd. I'm confident in our offense.

D) If we get a couple of early stops and score on all of our early drives, without our no huddle we could be up by two touchdowns early. Michigan will be in a hole and will be forced to throw the football. Let's hope this happens.

It's the defense that worries me. Can we handle Denard Robinson's explosive running ability? If not, we'll have a long, long day and another close shootout.

Do we have the speed and the fundamentals to handle Robinson? I hope so.
 

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Michigan got a good win against UCONN, and they looked pretty decent. They are beatable though, and if you look at the stats, "Shoelace" was the whole offense. He had very good completion numbers though, but had 29 carries! I think we'll be running some Spy packages.
 

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the key to this game will be,... will we use our linebackers to pressure Robinson or use them to contain him and make him beat us through the air...

I say we must contain him from the outside rather than send heat and over pursue...

if we contain him even reasonably well, the talent gap between the two squads should mean a comfortable win for us...

if we can't, they'll put up points and may very well pull it out again... despite for the second straight year having no buisness doing so on paper
 
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D. Robinson looked very impressive today as did Shaw. UConn is a solid team and Michigan looked good. Keys to next weeks game IMO
1. Contain Denard Robinson
2. Continue to move the football on the ground.
3. Dayne Crist has to let the ball fly. Be aggresive at times against a young an inexperianced secondary.
4. LB's must not over pursue and let Denard make plays on the run.
On paper we have more talent but thats why you play the game. Ask Ole Miss! If we dont come to play then we will fall to a lesser talented Michigan team yet again. Rich Rod will bring everything he's got because a win in South Bend goes a long way in his job security.
 

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I'm never a negativist, but whacking Connecticut means that Michigan's a pretty good football team. As far as Denard is concerned: Rodriguez' spread is totally different from Kelly's. Rodriguez wants "Pat White" at QB. He wants run>pass. So there's no question how you have to play him. You stop "Pat White" from running if you can. On the rare times you could beat West Virginia in those days, you made them pass--and even then they sometimes would run for twenty on you anyway. Fortunately [I hope] for ND, Diaco emphasizes gap responsibility defense. That by definition should begin each play with "contain". With two good cover corners, we should be well made to hassle a Rodriguez type spread. Here's hoping.
 

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Robinson was impressive not sold on their d but i am not as confident headint into the game as i was yesterday
 

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Fortunately [I hope] for ND, Diaco emphasizes gap responsibility defense. That by definition should begin each play with "contain". With two good cover corners, we should be well made to hassle a Rodriguez type spread. Here's hoping.


this is true, and the gaps were covered better than last year, but this was also Purdue... and they still hit some wide open holes at times... honestly, in terms of gap reponsibility I would rate our D as incomplete at this point... which isn't good... Michigan could be seeing HUGE numbers on the ground next week
 

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Don't feel as good either about winning this game now but....

I may be a better situation for ND.

If UM loses, all the pressure is on us to beat a so-called weak UM team. Sure RR has a ton of pressure down 0-1 heading into South Bend in that situation, but from out perspective I like this will be a bigger game now.
 

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This will be an interesting line... I bet we're underdgos...
 

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If we can win the next two I'll be like Kenny from South Park in the Maximum Boobage episode...

and will officially be back on the "We're on track to a Natioanl Title here soon" bandwagon... but lots gots to happen from here to there...
 

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If we can win the next two I'll be like Kenny from South Park in the Maximum Boobage episode...

and will officially be back on the "We're on track to a Natioanl Title here soon" bandwagon... but lots gots to happen from here to there...

Need to slow down there. Theres alot to like (and dislike) from today but this is not a NC team. not even close
 

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The house has cleared, the head has sobered up, and my optimism has subsided, a little. I feel like I did before, we will put points on the board against you, but my fears were realized as well, our secondary is scary.

But I will say our D looked much better than I thought it would, if I had to characterize our D I would call it bend but not break.
 

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Need to slow down there. Theres alot to like (and dislike) from today but this is not a NC team. not even close

wasn't saying it was... I was talking about the idea that this team could win one down the road a ways... I have been bashed a bit for saying ND ain't winning one any time soon this past offseason...

and again, as always... hyperbole is the name of my game..
 
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