Oct 17 | BYU

[Katzenboyer]

That's about where I see it. 31-14, 34-17 type game.

 

[DONTH8]

I'll probably post more in depth thoughts later this week and a rundown of the BYU team, why those around the program are confident, and anything else I find interesting.

But I do want to say a couple things and maybe get everyone's thoughts.

1) BYU fans are a passionate group as you can see. While I don't think it's the most hostile place we have played in recently, I promise you it will be loud. I remember Kedon Slovis when he was at USC (funny enough, he actually finished his career at BYU) mentioned that the BYU fans were intimidating simply because when others say something, you think they are just drunk. BYU fans are sober and will be telling you, you suck. Regardless it's going to be loud.

So, with that in mind, how does it affect Carr's ability to set protections, audible, etc. at the LOS? Even Freeman in his presser talks about how Carr will need to do it. Against A&M, Riley wasn't needing to make adjustments as much (maybe ever?). So for those smarter than me, how much 'hearing' is required to get audibles. I know on CFB 27 my team can't do an audible to save their lives on the road!

2) the other thing that will be interesting is pace of play. I know it's been brought up, but both of us play slow. Any chance we try and change that at all, and use it as a crutch to the inability to communicate as well on offense?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Here is one Georgia Tech fans propective------
No. 2 Notre Dame vs. No. 8 BYU: Unbeaten Heavyweights Collide in Provo With Playoff Dreams on the Line

 

[mrwayne]

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Apparently it gets cold there at night, do you think our boys are prepared for that possibility?

Provo, fine. GameDay in town, no problem. I didn’t realize about the 5:30 part. Dam, that’s a major major problem.

They’d better hope kickoff is exactly at 5:30 because there are 1,339 other minutes to start a football game in the day and ND owns them all.

 

[arrowryan]

I'll probably post more in depth thoughts later this week and a rundown of the BYU team, why those around the program are confident, and anything else I find interesting.

But I do want to say a couple things and maybe get everyone's thoughts.

1) BYU fans are a passionate group as you can see. While I don't think it's the most hostile place we have played in recently, I promise you it will be loud. I remember Kedon Slovis when he was at USC (funny enough, he actually finished his career at BYU) mentioned that the BYU fans were intimidating simply because when others say something, you think they are just drunk. BYU fans are sober and will be telling you, you suck. Regardless it's going to be loud.

So, with that in mind, how does it affect Carr's ability to set protections, audible, etc. at the LOS? Even Freeman in his presser talks about how Carr will need to do it. Against A&M, Riley wasn't needing to make adjustments as much (maybe ever?). So for those smarter than me, how much 'hearing' is required to get audibles. I know on CFB 27 my team can't do an audible to save their lives on the road!

2) the other thing that will be interesting is pace of play. I know it's been brought up, but both of us play slow. Any chance we try and change that at all, and use it as a crutch to the inability to communicate as well on offense?

I’m sure it will be loud. With that being said, it won’t be anything these players haven’t seen before. CJ Carr made his first career start at the Hard Rock Stadium hornet’s nest. As long as the play is called in a timely manner, I don’t think the headset communications will be impacted by the crowd noise because the crowd noise is usually only loud when the offensive huddle breaks.

 

[DONTH8]

I’m sure it will be loud. With that being said, it won’t be anything these players haven’t seen before. CJ Carr made his first career start at the Hard Rock Stadium hornet’s nest. As long as the play is called in a timely manner, I don’t think the headset communications will be impacted by the crowd noise because the crowd noise is usually only loud when the offensive huddle breaks.

But was he doing as much then, as he is currently asked to be doing?

 

[Dale]

My biggest worry offensively is that CJ’s head starts spinning with the pressures and crowd and he throws a INT right to a simulated pressure. He is very good pre-snap, but he also shouldn’t try to figure everything out to the point it becomes paralyzing. He’ll need to read post snap, more and faster than normal.

 

[peadeam]

Here is one Georgia Tech fans propective------
No. 2 Notre Dame vs. No. 8 BYU: Unbeaten Heavyweights Collide in Provo With Playoff Dreams on the Line

What a useless article. Calls Carr a freshmen then goes on the say a win for BYU would make them a Big12 championship contender? How does that work? Also, is BYU is really #8 is it that big of an upset? Any score prediction that has ND losing by giving up over 30 tells me they don’t know what they’re talking about. The only way ND loses this game is because BYU kills the clock and our offense is inefficient.

 

[Huntr]

Every "keys to a BYU victory" starts with "its a raucous environment."

That's it. Not, their players are better or they do X better than ND. Their fans yell real loud.

Ok, sure

 

[arrowryan]

But was he doing as much then, as he is currently asked to be doing?

I doubt it. But I also don’t think it’ll be deafening that he can’t communicate with his OL. Isn’t it stadium with capacity of around 50-60k?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

What a useless article. Calls Carr a freshmen then goes on the say a win for BYU would make them a Big12 championship contender? How does that work? Also, is BYU is really #8 is it that big of an upset? Any score prediction that has ND losing by giving up over 30 tells me they don’t know what they’re talking about. The only way ND loses this game is because BYU kills the clock and our offense is inefficient.

I did not say it was good, I thought it was lame. We could lose, but giving up 31? That seems unlikely.

 

[Goldbrick2]

Here is one Georgia Tech fans propective------
No. 2 Notre Dame vs. No. 8 BYU: Unbeaten Heavyweights Collide in Provo With Playoff Dreams on the Line

This appears to be AI slop. It does mention that LJ Martin is injured but it also talks about what he must do in order to help BYU get the win. I have no idea why someone would use AI for something like this.

 

[peadeam]

I did not say it was good, I thought it was lame. We could lose, but giving up 31? That seems unlikely.

Sorry wasn’t implying you shouldn’t have posted it etc

 

[DONTH8]

Every "keys to a BYU victory" starts with "its a raucous environment."

That's it. Not, their players are better or they do X better than ND. Their fans yell real loud.

Ok, sure

I think anyone saying it as a "moment being too big", or intimidation factor, are sorely mistaken. But it will be the first time Carr will be having to communicate, potentially using a silent count, etc. Which could cause issues for sure with how much he seems to be communicating.

But again, I don't know how much you need to hear to communicate. Maybe the line won't be an issue as they are close enough. But not sure for RBs, WR, TE, etc. That's why I'm bringing it up.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Didn't CJ Carr go to Arkansas and kick their ass last year? Was that a nice, comfy, environment?

 

[Irish#1]

I'll probably post more in depth thoughts later this week and a rundown of the BYU team, why those around the program are confident, and anything else I find interesting.

But I do want to say a couple things and maybe get everyone's thoughts.

1) BYU fans are a passionate group as you can see. While I don't think it's the most hostile place we have played in recently, I promise you it will be loud. I remember Kedon Slovis when he was at USC (funny enough, he actually finished his career at BYU) mentioned that the BYU fans were intimidating simply because when others say something, you think they are just drunk. BYU fans are sober and will be telling you, you suck. Regardless it's going to be loud.

So, with that in mind, how does it affect Carr's ability to set protections, audible, etc. at the LOS? Even Freeman in his presser talks about how Carr will need to do it. Against A&M, Riley wasn't needing to make adjustments as much (maybe ever?). So for those smarter than me, how much 'hearing' is required to get audibles. I know on CFB 27 my team can't do an audible to save their lives on the road!

2) the other thing that will be interesting is pace of play. I know it's been brought up, but both of us play slow. Any chance we try and change that at all, and use it as a crutch to the inability to communicate as well on offense?

This is a great question. We haven't seen it yet, but given BYU has a decent defense I wouldn't be surprised to see Denbrock go hurry up once or twice to get the D on their heals. It also makes it a little tough on the crowd.

 

[Irish#1]

What a useless article. Calls Carr a freshmen then goes on the say a win for BYU would make them a Big12 championship contender? How does that work? Also, is BYU is really #8 is it that big of an upset? Any score prediction that has ND losing by giving up over 30 tells me they don’t know what they’re talking about. The only way ND loses this game is because BYU kills the clock and our offense is inefficient.

There is definitely a BYU lean in that article.

 

[Irish#1]

I doubt it. But I also don’t think it’ll be deafening that he can’t communicate with his OL. Isn’t it stadium with capacity of around 50-60k?

62K

 

[tirishman505]

Styles make fights. Even with LJ Martin, this is a poor matchup for BYU. With as much attention as our secondary gets, our run defense in the last 2 years has been legitimately elite. Francis Brewu is probably the 2nd best DT in the nation right now after Xavier Gilliam at Tennessee thus far through the season.

Not knocking BYU's home atmosphere but it can't make up for that. And Freeman teams meet the moment in spots like this. Ironically, it would be better for BYU's chances if it was a sleepy environment.

As I said before, if we are who we think we are, we win by 2 TDs. 31-17.

 

[MacIrish75]

Didn't CJ Carr go to Arkansas and kick their ass last year? Was that a nice, comfy, environment?

Ehhhh I mean after they ran out of the razorback inflatable and a few “Woo Pigs” the fans pretty quickly realized their team was garbage. I don’t think anyone in that stadium thought they had a snowball’s chance to win.

BYU fans seem to believe they have a very good chance to not only win, but win convincingly.

 

[ACamp1900]

Ehhhh I mean after they ran out of the razorback inflatable and a few “Woo Pigs” the fans pretty quickly realized their team was garbage. I don’t think anyone in that stadium thought they had a snowball’s chance to win.

BYU fans seem to believe they have a very good chance to not only win, but win convincingly.

Man, I don't know about that first part. I remember seeing A TON of SEC fans, not just Arky fans, talking about how ND was gonna find out real quick how they'd be the tenth-best team in the conference and basically never see a winning record again if they joined the SEC when they get curb-stomped by Akry... That was absolutely a popular narrative going into that game amongst the keyboard warrior fans down south. Anyway...

 

[Rudy89]

This has worked the last 16 games…

 

[PutuporShutup]

My biggest worry offensively is that CJ’s head starts spinning with the pressures and crowd and he throws a INT right to a simulated pressure. He is very good pre-snap, but he also shouldn’t try to figure everything out to the point it becomes paralyzing. He’ll need to read post snap, more and faster than normal.

Carr was not his level of good against Stanford. The 2nd offensive series for ND Carr was as bad as i've ever seen him on a series. First down, bad read, late, and underthrown. He had a safety 1-1 with greathouse coming wide open, Faison smoked his guy 1-1, gilbert was the only wr that had safety help over the top. Even with the poor read, an on time good throw had a chance throwing to gilbert, but it wasn't. Second down, his read and throw right to the Stanford LB was alarming/confusing. The play on second down would have most likely worked with PA. No PA and the LB immediately went to help on the slant in zone. I hope it was just him not being locked in. They were in zone, but he clearly read man. Third down craig got whipped, he didn't have time to let the play develop, he had gilbert coming open.

BYU does a lot more exotic stuff than what he's seen so far this year.

He doesn't need to be perfect, but this is a game I'm really hoping to see him shine.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Ehhhh I mean after they ran out of the razorback inflatable and a few “Woo Pigs” the fans pretty quickly realized their team was garbage. I don’t think anyone in that stadium thought they had a snowball’s chance to win.

BYU fans seem to believe they have a very good chance to not only win, but win convincingly.

To piggy off of this, Arkansas fans (and seemingly their players) knew their coach was dead man walking. I don't remember there being any energy on the broadcast

 

[OrlaNDomer]

I'm very confident BYU will have a great and loud atmosphere, but CJ's first ever game was at Hard Rock against Miami and he handled it pretty dang well. I know Miami fans are notoriously awful but they do show up and out for their one big home game a year.

 

[echowaker2.0]

I mean that’s true for everyone, Texas had 10 of their sacks against the now Tennessee backup.

I agree they will definitely key the pass rush scheme off his running and Bear might legitimately be hard to bring down just due to his size, but his ISU scrambles from what I remember he had clean pockets and saw nothing open and then ran. IMO there is still opportunity for the pass rush to squeeze the pocket to a sack. He’s a scramble instead of pass, not to avoid sacks guy IMO.

Correct. Cumulative stats are just that. They rarely if ever tell the whole story. Timing disruption matters most regardless of the form that takes.

 

[echowaker2.0]

I've known Mike Denbrock since he was my GA offensive line assistant at MSU. We stayed in contact off an on over the years and our friendship really took off after he came to Cincinnati in 2017 where I had been living since 1993. I communicate with him a few times a week. He told me he has never given the autonomy to a QB like he does with CJ and that includes Jayden Daniels. He says CJ has the innate ability to see it all. It's all about the trust.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

I've known Mike Denbrock since he was my GA offensive line assistant at MSU. We stayed in contact off an on over the years and our friendship really took off after he came to Cincinnati in 2017 where I had been living since 1993. I communicate with him a few times a week. He told me he has never given the autonomy to a QB like he does with CJ and that includes Jayden Daniels. He says CJ has the innate ability to see it all. It's all about the trust.

Tell him we said hi

 

[NotKoon]

If I had to compare BYU to a recent opponent it would be 2023 Duke. Well coached team with a stout defense and a QB that is built like a truck, is a great runner/leader, but leaves much to be desired in the throw game. Like Duke, their best chance at victory will be a low scoring slugfest where they come up with a couple of more plays. Unfortunately for them 2026 ND is light years from 2023 ND

 

[IRISHDODGER]

My biggest worry offensively is that CJ’s head starts spinning with the pressures and crowd and he throws a INT right to a simulated pressure. He is very good pre-snap, but he also shouldn’t try to figure everything out to the point it becomes paralyzing. He’ll need to read post snap, more and faster than normal.

He’s flirted w/ a few picks that got dropped so throwing one in Provo wouldn’t surprise me but he seemed to be very intentional on a few plays last week where he just pumped it before tucking and running. Almost like he learned from the almost int earlier.

even if he does turn it over, hopefully D can hold to a FG or force a punt. It’s the pick 6 that can turn the tide. In other words, ND needs to avoid self-inflicted errors and they should be fine