Immigration

[Bishop2b5]

 

[Irish#1]

ICE and at-large roundups are nothing more than a racket to make Core Civic and Geo Group and their execs uber rich; oh yeah, and a good Red State job creation program

More detainments for longer durations = Beaucoup bucks for these guys ... Pathetic.

Creative way to boost the job market.

 

[Blazers46]

Creative way to boost the job market.

Immigrants with purpose, works the fields and fill our cages!!

 

[drayer54]

Immigrants with purpose, works the fields and fill our cages!!

NGOs were basically DHS travel agents under Biden moving, feeding, funding, and sheltering illegals on the taxpayers dime. Many came in found further ways to exploit the taxpayer dime through various means of fraud. It’s all a fraud operation of the left.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Immigrants with purpose, works the fields and fill our cages!!

 

[Bishop2b5]

That's how a lot of liberals actually think or feel about Latinos and Blacks. They're here to be maids or farm workers, or they're too dumb to succeed without their help and liberals telling them what to think, and that they're too dumb to figure out how to get an ID. They see them as inferior, and their main value is to be used as a dependent voter bloc. Ozzy's daughter didn't misspeak. She just said out loud what most liberals actually think but hide. Don't listen to their words. Watch their actions.

Both Thomas Sowell and Malcolm X have been highly critical of liberals in their true view and treatment of Blacks and other minority groups, professing concern, but actually only using those groups for political gain and viewing them as inferior and a "cause" to make themselves feel better for "caring so much."

Malcolm X was highly critical of white liberals, often describing them as more dangerous to the Blacks than white conservatives. He said that white liberals were deceitful and pretended to be friends while exploiting Black people for political, social, and economic gain.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Not too concerned about who's gonna pick the crops, but I haven't had an English speaking Uber driver in like 3 years. Waymo, I guess?

 

[NDWarrior]

 

[Old Man Mike]

I live in western Michigan, and my Catholic parish had a relationship with the hundreds and hundreds of temporary worker immigrants who worked both the planting but mainly the harvesting season for our HUGE fruit belt economy. We spent weekly support service for those folks and their families (very largely Catholic by the way.) Anyone who's not concerned about harvesting our crops is living in some braindead disconnected from reality TV world. Incredible that such sentences can be created and felt worthy to post.

 

[drayer54]

I live in western Michigan, and my Catholic parish had a relationship with the hundreds and hundreds of temporary worker immigrants who worked both the planting but mainly the harvesting season for our HUGE fruit belt economy. We spent weekly support service for those folks and their families (very largely Catholic by the way.) Anyone who's not concerned about harvesting our crops is living in some braindead disconnected from reality TV world. Incredible that such sentences can be created and felt worthy to post.

The idea the border problem Biden created is the long term temporary migrant worker picking the crops stereotype and not a 8 figure disaster with unverified criminals from all over the world who flooded our country to exploit our welfare policies and open border era is grossly misleading. This may have been a fair portrayal back when Dems and Republicans took turns complaining about illegal immigrants and the burden on the taxpayer and before one side became clearly open border (“From Palestine to Mexico, Border walls have got to go” - “Every person on earth should have a legal right to be in the United States)- but the problem has significantly evolved since the Biden admin opened the floodgates. Show me fields of Somalis out walking soybeans or Tren de Aragua members detassling.

 

[TorontoGold]

The idea the border problem Biden created is the long term temporary migrant worker picking the crops stereotype and not a 8 figure disaster with unverified criminals from all over the world who flooded our country to exploit our welfare policies and open border era is grossly misleading. This may have been a fair portrayal back when Dems and Republicans took turns complaining about illegal immigrants and the burden on the taxpayer and before one side became clearly open border (“From Palestine to Mexico, Border walls have got to go” - “Every person on earth should have a legal right to be in the United States)- but the problem has significantly evolved since the Biden admin opened the floodgates. Show me fields of Somalis out walking soybeans or Tren de Aragua members detassling.

LOL yeah people on the Left certainly want gang members roaming around. You have to live in a fantastical frightened world if you think that people on the Left in any way want gang members just hanging out. We already know that undocumented immigrants provide more than they take, you know, in the actual numbers this is borne out.

But in Drayers Fantasy Land where Biden let in 20M Tren de Aragua gang members the government is sending them millions to fund terrorist cells. All these bountiful government welfare programs! Only that the US spends less than the average OECD country as a % of GDP and if it drops any lower it'll be behind great beacons of social progress like Hungary.

 

[drayer54]

LOL yeah people on the Left certainly want gang members roaming around. You have to live in a fantastical frightened world if you think that people on the Left in any way want gang members just hanging out. We already know that undocumented immigrants provide more than they take, you know, in the actual numbers this is borne out.

But in Drayers Fantasy Land where Biden let in 20M Tren de Aragua gang members the government is sending them millions to fund terrorist cells. All these bountiful government welfare programs! Only that the US spends less than the average OECD country as a % of GDP and if it drops any lower it'll be behind great beacons of social progress like Hungary.

When left wing policy is to release illegal gang members to the street over honoring an ICE detainer- one must believe that this is their desire. Medicaid, emergency care, education, housing assistance, local services, the insane fraud that keeps emerging everyday, and all of the other welfare that Clinton-Schumer-Obama and every other democrat used to recognize as being an undue burden on the American taxpayer that magically doesn’t exist in your fantasy land anymore all mysteriously don’t exist. We literally just saw this in Oregon where we had fraud and Tren de Aragua and a women being tortured with a drill, but whatever. I assume all of those illegals Biden flew in were free, food was free, hotels were free, debit cards must have been free? Relocating them to the city of their choice must have been free?

Libs keep pretending that everyone they let in was some nice Hispanic who would cut their grass or harvest the crops or something people in flyover states must do without the reality that Biden let some nasty people in. It’s not hard. They keep popping up. I must be dreaming this shit.

 

[Blazers46]

When left wing policy is to release illegal gang members to the street over honoring an ICE detainer- one must believe that this is their desire. Medicaid, emergency care, education, housing assistance, local services, the insane fraud that keeps emerging everyday, and all of the other welfare that Clinton-Schumer-Obama and every other democrat used to recognize as being an undue burden on the American taxpayer that magically doesn’t exist in your fantasy land anymore all mysteriously don’t exist. We literally just saw this in Oregon where we had fraud and Tren de Aragua and a women being tortured with a drill, but whatever. I assume all of those illegals Biden flew in were free, food was free, hotels were free, debit cards must have been free? Relocating them to the city of their choice must have been free?

Libs keep pretending that everyone they let in was some nice Hispanic who would cut their grass or harvest the crops or something people in flyover states must do without the reality that Biden let some nasty people in. It’s not hard. They keep popping up. I must be dreaming this shit.

I’ll repeat and repeat… from a national security perspective we don’t know who is here. And the ones we do know are here we aren’t sure they are who they say they are. It’s an over worked system not meant for this many people to go through the system at one time.

 

[TorontoGold]

When left wing policy is to release illegal gang members to the street over honoring an ICE detainer- one must believe that this is their desire. Medicaid, emergency care, education, housing assistance, local services, the insane fraud that keeps emerging everyday, and all of the other welfare that Clinton-Schumer-Obama and every other democrat used to recognize as being an undue burden on the American taxpayer that magically doesn’t exist in your fantasy land anymore all mysteriously don’t exist. We literally just saw this in Oregon where we had fraud and Tren de Aragua and a women being tortured with a drill, but whatever. I assume all of those illegals Biden flew in were free, food was free, hotels were free, debit cards must have been free? Relocating them to the city of their choice must have been free?

Libs keep pretending that everyone they let in was some nice Hispanic who would cut their grass or harvest the crops or something people in flyover states must do without the reality that Biden let some nasty people in. It’s not hard. They keep popping up. I must be dreaming this shit.

Where are the politicians that are saying release the gang members? If they’re known gang members and it is known that they are then that’s wrong. But if it’s some random Joe who’s being disappeared by ICE then yeah I don’t support that at all.

Show the actual financials of this encumbrance vs what they actually contribute. When you said 20M were let in under Biden and we now know that figure is wrong, I can’t just trust your vibez.

That is literally a refugee program. How do you think refugees actually survive in another country? The whole point of being a refugee is that you have nothing lol.

You’re not dreaming anything. You’re getting algorithmic driven media straight into your veins to make you feel like something is happening and mysteriously no one else is talking about it and it’s this big huge crisis. Yes the incidents that are real are bad and those people should face justice but brandishing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few is horrendous domestic policy.

 

[Irish#1]

I have to get me a pair.

 

[drayer54]

Where are the politicians that are saying release the gang members? If they’re known gang members and it is known that they are then that’s wrong. But if it’s some random Joe who’s being disappeared by ICE then yeah I don’t support that at all.

Show the actual financials of this encumbrance vs what they actually contribute. When you said 20M were let in under Biden and we now know that figure is wrong, I can’t just trust your vibez.

That is literally a refugee program. How do you think refugees actually survive in another country? The whole point of being a refugee is that you have nothing lol.

You’re not dreaming anything. You’re getting algorithmic driven media straight into your veins to make you feel like something is happening and mysteriously no one else is talking about it and it’s this big huge crisis. Yes the incidents that are real are bad and those people should face justice but brandishing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few is horrendous domestic policy.

If they have an ICE detainer and they are released.... Like this MS-13 member who was released, with a detainer, and then murdered the next day. Again, neither you, Kamala, or Joe can tell me how many were let into this country. That's how terrible and reckless it was. We don't know how many came through the open door and estimates vary. Count the people in this Joe Biden memory photo below:

Are we supposed to take every single refugee? Are we supposed to just open the doors to the world and say come here and we'll put you on assistance from the us taxpayer? Not everyone is a damn refugee.
Not knowing how many people are here, creating a welfare state for them, a system clearly ripe for fraud, and acting like this is just normal is bullshit. It is also a legit security concern when China, Iran, etc. can send whoever they want through the open door.

 

[TorontoGold]

If they have an ICE detainer and they are released.... Like this MS-13 member who was released, with a detainer, and then murdered the next day. Again, neither you, Kamala, or Joe can tell me how many were let into this country. That's how terrible and reckless it was. We don't know how many came through the open door and estimates vary. Count the people in this Joe Biden memory photo below:

Are we supposed to take every single refugee? Are we supposed to just open the doors to the world and say come here and we'll put you on assistance from the us taxpayer? Not everyone is a damn refugee.
Not knowing how many people are here, creating a welfare state for them, a system clearly ripe for fraud, and acting like this is just normal is bullshit. It is also a legit security concern when China, Iran, etc. can send whoever they want through the open door.

But the estimates you used aren't grounded in any reality and we know they're way off base. No reputable source anywhere has said it was 20M or more. None. The pictures are nice for those who are used to coloring books and want to call into the midday TPUSA show because they're big mad.

No? Trump had refugees coming in 2016-2020, it wasn't like this is just a bleeding heart scenario. Take it up with him that you're unhappy theres refugees coming in.

What welfare state is the US Federal government funding for them vs what they are contributing in taxes? Again, numbers not coloring books.

 

[Irish#1]

Because we don't know the numbers, it's okay. Solid logic.

A quick google shows there were 10.8 million encounters during the Biden administration, while it was 2.4 million during Trumps first term.

 

[drayer54]

Because we don't know the numbers, it's okay. Solid logic.

A quick google shows there were 10.8 million encounters during the Biden administration, while it was 2.4 million during Trumps first term.

Encounters are one piece of the pie. Biden era encounters were when they arrived, checked in, got a FEMA funded shelter/medical/meal ticket and then an NGO under government grant transported and funded them beyond that, in many cases.

Other ways they flooded our country-

• CHNV Parole Program – Allowed Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans to fly into the U.S. with sponsors under temporary parole.
• CBP One Port-of-Entry Appointments – Permitted migrants to schedule entry at official ports and be paroled into the U.S. pending immigration proceedings.
• Afghan & Ukrainian Parole Programs – Humanitarian parole allowing evacuees to enter and stay temporarily.
• Expanded Humanitarian Parole Use – Broader use of existing executive parole authority to admit individuals temporarily.
• Temporary Protected Status (TPS) Expansions – Designated/redesignated multiple countries, allowing recipients to live and work legally.
• Termination of “Remain in Mexico” (MPP) – Ended requirement for many asylum seekers to wait in Mexico during cases.
• End of Title 42 Expulsions – Stopped rapid expulsions and returned to standard immigration processing.
• Increased Refugee Admissions – Raised annual refugee caps and admissions.
• Visa Overstays & “Gotaways” – Individuals who either overstayed visas or entered without being apprehended.

They just wanted more people.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Where are the politicians that are saying release the gang members? If they’re known gang members and it is known that they are then that’s wrong. But if it’s some random Joe who’s being disappeared by ICE then yeah I don’t support that at all.

Show the actual financials of this encumbrance vs what they actually contribute. When you said 20M were let in under Biden and we now know that figure is wrong, I can’t just trust your vibez.

That is literally a refugee program. How do you think refugees actually survive in another country? The whole point of being a refugee is that you have nothing lol.

You’re not dreaming anything. You’re getting algorithmic driven media straight into your veins to make you feel like something is happening and mysteriously no one else is talking about it and it’s this big huge crisis. Yes the incidents that are real are bad and those people should face justice but brandishing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few is horrendous domestic policy.

This might be the 40th time I've stated this on this topic but some of y'all cant accept it: every person who entered the US illegally does not get to claim refugee status. And on top of that, law states that if they are seeking refugee status they are to claim that status at the closest neighboring country.

That does not mean every swinging dick who wants to live in the US gets to claim refugee status and receive free housing, free healthcare, free education, etc. at the expense of the American taxpayers.

This isn't fear. It's the law. If there is any fear in this whole thing, it's the American Dems who fear they can't win elections unless they import enough new voters from the third world.

 

[TorontoGold]

This might be the 40th time I've stated this on this topic but some of y'all cant accept it: every person who entered the US illegally does not get to claim refugee status. And on top of that, law states that if they are seeking refugee status they are to claim that status at the closest neighboring country.

That does not mean every swinging dick who wants to live in the US gets to claim refugee status and receive free housing, free healthcare, free education, etc. at the expense of the American taxpayers.

This isn't fear. It's the law. If there is any fear in this whole thing, it's the American Dems who fear they can't win elections unless they import enough new voters from the third world.

Not sure you meant to quote me? Because what Drayer is complaining about is literally refugees getting support from government programs.

Re-read my post again because it has nothing to do with whatever you’re trying to say.

Also - huge lol at the last paragraph. This importing of voters, can you provide anything meaningful that shows refugees voting? If what you’re trying to say is that naturalized citizens are being brought in for elections that is great replacement fear mongering at insane levels. Like, Jewish space laser levels.

 

[Fbolt]

Red states are conducting audits and finding several thousands non-us cits. Blue states refuse. Huh-wonder why?

 

[drayer54]

Not sure you meant to quote me? Because what Drayer is complaining about is literally refugees getting support from government programs.

Re-read my post again because it has nothing to do with whatever you’re trying to say.

Also - huge lol at the last paragraph. This importing of voters, can you provide anything meaningful that shows refugees voting? If what you’re trying to say is that naturalized citizens are being brought in for elections that is great replacement fear mongering at insane levels. Like, Jewish space laser levels.

Yeah, you’re right. We never saw NGO waste. We haven’t seen them dumping money at NGOS for illegals. Everyone who hits the CBP one app or wants to move here is not a refugee and fortunately the courts are agreeing. Dems are waiting to give amnesty to these people and drivers licenses to help them vote. They oppose voter id for no known reason. They imported future voters. That’s what they wanted. That and less white percentage. There’s a term for it, it, but it’s clearly what they did. Biden never campaigned on 100 executive orders to destabilize our national security. But hey, here’s the deal…

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah, you’re right. We never saw NGO waste. We haven’t seen them dumping money at NGOS for illegals. Everyone who hits the CBP one app or wants to move here is not a refugee and fortunately the courts are agreeing. Dems are waiting to give amnesty to these people and drivers licenses to help them vote. They oppose voter id for no known reason. They imported future voters. That’s what they wanted. That and less white percentage. There’s a term for it, it, but it’s clearly what they did. Biden never campaigned on 100 executive orders to destabilize our national security. But hey, here’s the deal…

Did AlexJonesGPT write this? The white percentage? Are you medically retarded? Hunny, the white percentage has been decreasing ever since your ancestors allowed intermarriage to be thing. You don’t think your domestic policy should target non-white people? Would be really neat to expand the voter base rather than just target a single group. But, what do I know, I didn’t spend much time lobbying MethVille on behalf of the NRA.

 

[NDWarrior]

Red states are conducting audits and finding several thousands non-us cits. Blue states refuse. Huh-wonder why?

Don't be an ass. There's mistrust all the way around thank to Trump and the 2020 elections, but why would blue states (and I'm pretty sure there are some red states in this same boat) surrender their full voter registration roles to the Federal government, especially this one, so that they can commit all kinds of manipulation of that data leading to and on Election Day?
Immigrant voter fraud is miniscule.

Bottom line is that Trump and his admin know they are toast at the midterms, assuming there are free and fair elections.
Free and fair elections are the big question now, aren't they?

Trump, Vance, Stephen Miller, Bannon, Roberts, Vought, Thiel, Musk, Ellison. They all have tasted even more vast wealth, power, and freedom to do whatever they want, and they aren't about to hand it over now.

Scary damn times

 

[drayer54]

Did AlexJonesGPT write this? The white percentage? Are you medically retarded? Hunny, the white percentage has been decreasing ever since your ancestors allowed intermarriage to be thing. You don’t think your domestic policy should target non-white people? Would be really neat to expand the voter base rather than just target a single group. But, what do I know, I didn’t spend much time lobbying MethVille on behalf of the NRA.

You are saying that everyone who came here is a refugee and this was in no way designed to expand the voter base while denying any impact on crime and have the gull to call anyone else retarded?

 

[drayer54]

Don't be an ass. There's mistrust all the way around thank to Trump and the 2020 elections, but why would blue states (and I'm pretty sure there are some red states in this same boat) surrender their full voter registration roles to the Federal government, especially this one, so that they can commit all kinds of manipulation of that data leading to and on Election Day?
Immigrant voter fraud is miniscule.

Bottom line is that Trump and his admin know they are toast at the midterms, assuming there are free and fair elections.
Free and fair elections are the big question now, aren't they?

Trump, Vance, Stephen Miller, Bannon, Roberts, Vought, Thiel, Musk, Ellison. They all have tasted even more vast wealth, power, and freedom to do whatever they want, and they aren't about to hand it over now.

Scary damn times

Same reason Dems keep telling bold faced lies about voter ID. They believe that less secure elections are to their advantage. Mail out ballots, refuse to hand count them, toss out drivers licenses, and see what happens. If those pesky millions they admitted happen to tack on a few- shrug. Dems aren’t serious about election integrity.

 

[NDWarrior]

Same reason Dems keep telling bold faced lies about voter ID. They believe that less secure elections are to their advantage. Mail out ballots, refuse to hand count them, toss out drivers licenses, and see what happens. If those pesky millions they admitted happen to tack on a few- shrug. Dems aren’t serious about election integrity.

Sure things can be tightened up but they don't need the Federal government involved (as the Constitution points out they shouldn't be involved in State-run elections, including to elect the POTUS). If you go that far, and with Trump, Musk's, and this whole admin's reputation for tampering, cheating, and lying when it comes to elections, you will have a damn riot because those actions will absolutely not be trusted by a large majority of this country Red and Blue alike.

 

[NDWarrior]

I know you guys are not one for referenced facts, but I'll go ahead anyway and present information based on studies from that bastion of left-leaning, big, welfare state government politics, The Cato Institute...

1) From reviewing people booked into ICE custody this fiscal year (since October 1, 2025), The Cato Institute determined that only 5% of People Detained By ICE Have Violent Convictions, 73% No Convictions. Only 8 percent had a violent or property criminal conviction and nearly half had no criminal conviction nor even any pending criminal charges. And a majority of criminal immigrant convicts had vice, immigration, or traffic convictions only. A number of studies by the American Immigration Council indicate that a higher (by %) immigrant population is not associated with higher crime rates, which aligns with a wealth of prior research on this topic.

2) According to The Cato Institute, the administration's newest ban on immigration brings the number of banned nationalities up to 93, 42 percent of all nationalities in the world, and the total population banned up to nearly half of those who immigrated legally from abroad in 2024. Altogether, 324,000 legal immigrants will now be banned by the policy, accounting for 48 percent of the legal immigrant population; also, under this latest ban, now nearly half (48%) of all citizens' and legal residents' spouses and minor children applying for visas will be barred from the U.S.

The State Department announced that “The freeze will remain active until the U.S. can ensure that new immigrants will not extract wealth from the American people.” The Cato institute soundly debunks this myth with its recent study (see below here) and has stated that this belief is not a good justification for a broad legal immigration restriction. These latest bans will actually reduce economic growth, increasing America’s debt-to-GDP.

3) Per the Cato Institute's latest study released last week, immigrants actually reduce the deficit by paying more taxes than they use in benefits. Per the study, Immigrants have reduced deficits by a total of $14.5 Trillion since 1994 compared with a deficit of $48 trillion without immigrants, contrary to White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller's assertion that immigrants have sucked the U.S. dry. Immigrants in fact have cut deficits by nearly a third in real terms over the last three decades. Immigrants pay more in taxes than the average person and actually have been better at generating revenue for the government than the average person over these past 30 years. Why? Because they work at much higher rates, they end up with higher per capita incomes and pay more in taxes than their share of the population predicts. Bottom line is that immigrants aren’t big welfare users - They actually have paid much more in taxes than they have received in benefits every year for the past 30 years.

 

[NDWarrior]

Now we've heard all your anti-immigration arguments here on IE which is a good representation of the MAGA sentiment on immigration in our country: "You don't care about the children and young women trafficked, raped, and murdered." This the highest number of immigrants ever in the U.S. at any given time in its history and these recent immigrants who have come to the U.S., in an increasingly accelerated manner over the past 30 years, are not culturally adapting to the U.S. historic "sense of national identity and shared values and beliefs with a common love of 'country' or its people." And therefore, this has led to cultural "tribalism" and a "balkanization" of our country that is not in alignment with the country's dominant culture (White and Christian) and is "eroding" our country; and that anyone in favor of immigration for its financial, creative, and entrepreneurial benefits, and its cultural enrichment, is a big fan of The Great Replacement Theory and is against Christian "wypepo."

I agree that the immigrant % of the population is the greatest since the turn of the 20th Century, and that there is probably more cultural and religious diversity for this recent crop of immigrants than ever before. So we talk about it as a country and make adjustments, e.g., the Mexican Border is now virtually shut down. You can see that almost half of developing and third world countries are effectively locked out for the time being. And I wholeheartedly agree that there should be more focus on teaching/learning American values, history, and civics, especially to be required for a path to citizenship, to help drive immigrants to our U.S. identity and common and shared values/heritage.

All that said, it doesn't mean we now have to completely evict - and selectively at that - all the brown and black immigrants in the country with a different culture, language, and religion, and in a cruel manner, dangerously dehumanizing them. As you can see, there is a net benefit - especially financially - to immigration and they commit crimes at a lower rate than the non-immigration population. I also think the whole Somali daycare center fraud indignation is overblown and being used as some kind of extrapolated example of rampant immigration fraud across the U.S.

Yes, there is some crime and Trump, Stephen Miller, Noem, and the rest of the admin, and you regular pro-deportation MAGA Trumpers, call out and focus on only the extreme, yet still relatively rare, examples of immigrant crime (murder, rape, and fraud) to support your position. No one wants their family members, let alone innocent children and young women trafficked, raped and murdered. These crimes happen and that's a fact of life, and I pray for the families who are the victims of these crimes. And just like with any felonious and violent crime, we go after these criminals and lock them up, we bust gangs and drug dealers, and yes, we deport criminal immigrants. But these violent few do not represent the vast majority of immigrants who, again, are a net benefit to the U.S.