RIP...

[BeatSC]

My first concert, my father's favorite group ever....

Eli’s comin! Given what he put himself thru in life he did pretty well to last this long. Just like Brian Wilson outlasting his two brothers. Disappointing that Brian didn’t see what they had going on. He was probably too stoned.

 

[Irish#1]

Looked into it,... I didn't realize they were pretty much all gone,.... he was one of the last members left that I could find from the original group. I think now only their guitar player is left.

The original group was only Negron, Hutton and Wells. They used different musicians to back them up at first. Then the band added the other regulars. Allsup is the only other surviving member besides Hutton.

I got curious so I did a little goggling and came across this site.

Three Dog Night - Indiana Rock History

Ticket courtesy of Lenny Sharp Ticket courtesy of John & Jane Goodrich

indianarockhistory.com

The concert I attended was November 30, 1969. Also performing were none other than The Turtles. Sadly I can't remember who I took to the concert. lol

 

[Bishop2b5]

IIRC, after their breakup, the different reunion tours never included all three together. Some type of dispute between the three.

RIP Chuck.

Yeah, drugs and bad behavior caused a lot of hard feelings over the years. Hutton and Wells never performed with Negron again after Negron was kicked out of the band for drugs in '85. Wells died several years ago, but Negron and Hutton reconciled a few months ago. Apparently Negron's failing health was known to Hutton and he reached out and visited Negron and they buried the hatchet.

 

[ACamp1900]

The original group was only Negron, Hutton and Wells. They used different musicians to back them up at first. Then the band added the other regulars. Allsup is the only other surviving member besides Hutton.

I got curious so I did a little goggling and came across this site.

Three Dog Night - Indiana Rock History

Ticket courtesy of Lenny Sharp Ticket courtesy of John & Jane Goodrich

indianarockhistory.com

The concert I attended was November 30, 1969. Also performing were none other than The Turtles. Sadly I can't remember who I took to the concert. lol

Allsup was there from the beginning, at least any that mattered and Sneed was there for most of their prime years,… that’s what I’m referring to, original group meaning the guys there when they were big, rather than a touring group today of largely new guys or the first group that started in a garage

 

[ulukinatme]

I love me some Never Been to Spain, but Chuck had no involvement with that song on any level. Cory Wells sang lead.

Good point, I was just listing TDN hits I used to have burned on CDs.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I remember the “Behind the Music” on Negron. He hit about as rock bottom as one can hit. Glad he found recovery. RIP

”Never Been to Spain” is my favorite TDN song. I know Chuck wasn’t lead vocals on that but he’s a helluva singer on all their other hits.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Out In The Country featured Negron on lead vocals and is probably my favorite TDN song. There's a really good interplay of chords between the different guitars and keyboards with overlapping chord changes that just work. Allsup's guitar is very simple, but one of my favorite bits of guitar work ever. This video is from a live version with an orchestra from around 2010 with Wells and Hutton and Allsup, but no Negron, of course.

 

[ACamp1900]

Old Fashioned Love Song and Shambala always come to my mind... that's definitely a band that any song of theirs makes me think of my father.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Former ND and UVA QB Chris Olsen passed away from Glioblastoma at the age of 42.

Greg Olsen’s brother, Chris, dead at 42 after brain cancer battle

Chris Olsen, the brother of Fox NFL analyst Greg Olsen, died at the age of 42, the former tight end shared on Instagram on Thursday. Chris, who was two years older than Greg, battled glioblastoma, …

nypost.com

 

[Sea Turtle]

I like TDN. I think they are not in the rock and roll hall of fame because they didn't write their own songs.

Which is kind of lame when you consider Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklin and Frank Sinatra didn't write their own songs. Neither did many of the Motown artists and groups.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I like TDN. I think they are not in the rock and roll hall of fame because they didn't write their own songs.

Which is kind of lame when you consider Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklin and Frank Sinatra didn't write their own songs. Neither did many of the Motown artists and groups.

Those three that you listed probably aren't a good comparison. Those three are all iconic. Saying that TDN should get in because those three got in not writing their own songs is a tough sell. Is there another artist that would be considered at a somewhat similar level that got in without writing their own songs?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Those three that you listed probably aren't a good comparison. Those three are all iconic. Saying that TDN should get in because those three got in not writing their own songs is a tough sell. Is there another artist that would be considered at a somewhat similar level that got in without writing their own songs?

The Supremes and the Jackson Five off the top of my head.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I like TDN. I think they are not in the rock and roll hall of fame because they didn't write their own songs.

Which is kind of lame when you consider Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklin and Frank Sinatra didn't write their own songs. Neither did many of the Motown artists and groups.

Didn’t they just induct Joe Cocker recently? He didn’t write his songs either.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'd put them in. They were HUGE in the early '70s with a long string of hits. Not writing their own songs and only being on top for about five years hurts their case, though.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Didn’t they just induct Joe Cocker recently? He didn’t write his songs either.

Yep. The reason I say this is because I have read articles and read forums talking about acts that are in and acts that are not. And this seems to be the reason for the exclusion of TDN.

They all talk about an unwritten rule that the Beatles and the Beach Boys changed the criteria and during and post those acts, bands need to write their own songs.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I'd put them in. They were HUGE in the early '70s with a long string of hits. Not writing their own songs and only being on top for about five years hurts their case, though.

Jeremiah was a bullfrog
Was a good friend of mine
I never understood a single word he said
But I helped him drink his wine
And he always had some mighty fine wine
Singing joy to the world

What a fun song to sing.

 

[irishnd31]

RIP to my father and fellow Irish fan. Your pain and suffering are over and I hope you are in a better place.

Much love to you and yours my friend. So very sorry for your loss.

 

[bumpdaddy]

I like TDN. I think they are not in the rock and roll hall of fame because they didn't write their own songs.

Which is kind of lame when you consider Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklin and Frank Sinatra didn't write their own songs. Neither did many of the Motown artists and groups.

Yeah, this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the music industry way overvalues writing songs. Don't get me wrong, songwriting is important, but musical arrangements and vocal interpretations are at least equally important, and oftentimes more important than the songwriting itself, but only one of those skillsets will garner royalties for an artist. It's a bit like in the movie industry, writers get credit, but directors get more credit for the success of a movie because adapting the writing and successfully telling that story on the screen is a much more important skill set than the writing itself.

TDN was perhaps the best group ever to take other people's songs and turn them into something better than what the original writer could have ever hoped to produce. Here's a great video covering that topic, and it includes an interview with Negron himself:

 

[Bishop2b5]

Jeremiah was a bullfrog
Was a good friend of mine
I never understood a single word he said
But I helped him drink his wine
And he always had some mighty fine wine
Singing joy to the world

What a fun song to sing.

That's the first song by them that I remember. I was in middle school and they were huge. Speaking of fun to sing along to...

As hard as it is to imagine today, up until the mid or late '70s, students drove many of the buses. Our driver was a Jr or Sr and had put a stereo system in the bus with speakers in the back. I can clearly remember us all singing along to that song. There was a minor hit around the same time called DOA, which was about a guy killed in a wreck, and there are lots of ambulance sirens in the song. Every time that song would come on, our bus driver would hit the brakes and start looking around in the mirrors trying to spot the ambulance or cop car behind him. LOL

 

[Sea Turtle]

Yeah, this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the music industry way overvalues writing songs. Don't get me wrong, songwriting is important, but musical arrangements and vocal interpretations are at least equally important, and oftentimes more important than the songwriting itself, but only one of those skillsets will garner royalties for an artist. It's a bit like in the movie industry, writers get credit, but directors get more credit for the success of a movie because adapting the writing and successfully telling that story on the screen is a much more important skill set than the writing itself.

TDN was perhaps the best group ever to take other people's songs and turn them into something better than what the original writer could have ever hoped to produce. Here's a great video covering that topic, and it includes an interview with Negron himself:

They say Elvis was fantastic at that. He would change songs up or add to them. He would also arrange the microphones in his studio to catch elements of a song in a better manner.

For instance, in the song Burning Love, he was the one who added the 'im just a hunka hunka burning love' mantra at the end and directed the background singers to sing the high pitched 'ahhhhhhh' at the end of each one.
He also set up the percussion mic closer to the drums, because he knew those drum rolls on it were fire. This is why the drum rolls sound so good and crisp on it.

 

[Free Manera]

Yeah, this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the music industry way overvalues writing songs. Don't get me wrong, songwriting is important, but musical arrangements and vocal interpretations are at least equally important, and oftentimes more important than the songwriting itself, but only one of those skillsets will garner royalties for an artist. It's a bit like in the movie industry, writers get credit, but directors get more credit for the success of a movie because adapting the writing and successfully telling that story on the screen is a much more important skill set than the writing itself.

TDN was perhaps the best group ever to take other people's songs and turn them into something better than what the original writer could have ever hoped to produce. Here's a great video covering that topic, and it includes an interview with Negron himself:

I would go even further and say the session musicians mold pretty much all the hits. You had the Wrecking Crew in LA, The Funk Bros at Motown, and Booker T and MGs at Stax. Those guys have played on literally thousands of hit songs.

 

[Irish#1]

The R&R HoF is a joke in my opinion. Some acts get in that makes you scratch your head while some that you think are obvious don’t get in or have to wait way too long.

As far as all those Motown hits, you would be surprised to see how many Smokey wrote. He has to be in the top five of all time song writers.

 

[ulukinatme]

The R&R HoF is a joke in my opinion. Some acts get in that makes you scratch your head while some that you think are obvious don’t get in or have to wait way too long.

As far as all those Motown hits, you would be surprised to see how many Smokey wrote. He has to be in the top five of all time song writers.

Yeah, it is a bit of a joke in many ways. Iron Maiden, Boston, Blue Oyster Cult, Motley Crue, there's tons of worthy groups and artists that have been snubbed while other less deserving artists have gotten nods. The Beatles were great, but Ringo Starr getting in solo? Nope. People like Eninem, Mary J Blige, Missy Eliot, and JayZ got in before groups like Bad Company, Foreigner, Frampton, the Spinners, and Ozzy. That's not to discredit those artists, but they're not exactly Rock and Roll.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I would go even further and say the session musicians mold pretty much all the hits. You had the Wrecking Crew in LA, The Funk Bros at Motown, and Booker T and MGs at Stax. Those guys have played on literally thousands of hit songs.

I like the old joke about the Wrecking Crew: I found out my top five favorite guitar players from the '60s were all Glenn Campbell.

 

[Bishop2b5]

NFL legend and HOF QB Sonny Jurgensen has passed away at the age of 91. Sonny was a deadly accurate passer who led the league in passing twice and was a Pro Bowler five times. He often joked about his physique, which wasn't ideal. He was sort of short, rarely in shape, and had a bit of a paunch, but had a strong arm and was exceptionally accurate. He was known as a "character" for most of his career, often missing curfew, being seen at bars at 4am before noon game, and well known for playing while badly hungover or even still a bit drunk. Life of the party guy who could still tear it up when the game started. I remember lots of interviews with him in the early '70s, when he was always funny and entertaining. He just looked like a non-athletic average Joe who couldn't possibly play in the NFL, yet he was a legend.

 

[Irish#1]

He was a gamer. RIP Sonny.

 

[stpeteirish]

NFL legend and HOF QB Sonny Jurgensen has passed away at the age of 91. Sonny was a deadly accurate passer who led the league in passing twice and was a Pro Bowler five times. He often joked about his physique, which wasn't ideal. He was sort of short, rarely in shape, and had a bit of a paunch, but had a strong arm and was exceptionally accurate. He was known as a "character" for most of his career, often missing curfew, being seen at bars at 4am before noon game, and well known for playing while badly hungover or even still a bit drunk. Life of the party guy who could still tear it up when the game started. I remember lots of interviews with him in the early '70s, when he was always funny and entertaining. He just looked like a non-athletic average Joe who couldn't possibly play in the NFL, yet he was a legend.

All true and he lived to 91. Go figure

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

NFL legend and HOF QB Sonny Jurgensen has passed away at the age of 91. Sonny was a deadly accurate passer who led the league in passing twice and was a Pro Bowler five times. He often joked about his physique, which wasn't ideal. He was sort of short, rarely in shape, and had a bit of a paunch, but had a strong arm and was exceptionally accurate. He was known as a "character" for most of his career, often missing curfew, being seen at bars at 4am before noon game, and well known for playing while badly hungover or even still a bit drunk. Life of the party guy who could still tear it up when the game started. I remember lots of interviews with him in the early '70s, when he was always funny and entertaining. He just looked like a non-athletic average Joe who couldn't possibly play in the NFL, yet he was a legend.

They were weird back then. I was reading about the Holtz vs Oklahoma Orange Bowl, apparently the Sooners were drinking around the hotel pool, before the game.

 

[NDLS_USMC]

NFL legend and HOF QB Sonny Jurgensen has passed away at the age of 91. Sonny was a deadly accurate passer who led the league in passing twice and was a Pro Bowler five times. He often joked about his physique, which wasn't ideal. He was sort of short, rarely in shape, and had a bit of a paunch, but had a strong arm and was exceptionally accurate. He was known as a "character" for most of his career, often missing curfew, being seen at bars at 4am before noon game, and well known for playing while badly hungover or even still a bit drunk. Life of the party guy who could still tear it up when the game started. I remember lots of interviews with him in the early '70s, when he was always funny and entertaining. He just looked like a non-athletic average Joe who couldn't possibly play in the NFL, yet he was a legend.

Loved him and Billy Kilmer.

Laughed at pic here as Sonny’s got on the same belt he probably wore to Saturday 5pm Mass the night before the game. Matched his maroon leisure suit.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Former ND and UVA QB Chris Olsen passed away from Glioblastoma at the age of 42.

Greg Olsen’s brother, Chris, dead at 42 after brain cancer battle

Chris Olsen, the brother of Fox NFL analyst Greg Olsen, died at the age of 42, the former tight end shared on Instagram on Thursday. Chris, who was two years older than Greg, battled glioblastoma, …

nypost.com

I remember when he came to ND. He was very highly rated & fans expectations were high. Then he lost the QB battle and transferred to UVA. I can’t recall if Greg was committed or enrolled at ND, but he immediately bolted, too. I had no clue Chris lived in Little Rock. A buddy of mine told me he goes to my church (different location) and that the funeral will be held there. Gone far too young. RIP