Time for new partner: Big 10 or SEC?

[Irishdawg]

Did anyone hear this? I didn't listen to pod yet. This is insane if true

They using the Signal app too

 

[irish2104]

Yeah he said that is why ND is super pissed and other evidence has well

 

[irish2104]

Trying to find link and time now

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Corruption.

 

[pumpdog20]

At least the B12 stepped on their dick. The thought of any affiliation football wise with them was gross.

 

[irish2104]

Like around 430-5 min mark. I think it is just conference collusion against ND.

 

[ThePiombino]

Did anyone hear this? I didn't listen to pod yet. This is insane if true

LMFAO this is too delicious to be true

 

[ozzman]

Like around 430-5 min mark. I think it is just conference collusion against ND.

Wow. If it was a conference wide email, it can't be as juicy as we're hoping, right?

 

[Hautian Domer]

Uh yeah, the B12 can fuck off. All of these collective bargaining consortiums will stick together and lick the boots of their corporate overlords.

The Big 12 can go court New Mexico or Wyoming now. Nothing wrong with either of those two schools and their programs, but if the Big 12 commissioner can’t understand and rationalize why PB would go to bat for ND, then they can fuck off

 

[IrishinSyria]

Navy is essentially an ally. We need to keep as many allies as we can at this point.

An ally for what? I haven’t seen anyone associated with Navy getting up and saying that we deserved to be in. Nor would I expect them to do that, in part because I don’t think anyone would listen.

Like, they were an excellent team this year and they were treated by the committee as if we beat Eastern Illinois. The game’s all downside for us, even when it’s a hard win.

It sucks, I guess, but if the goal is to win national championships while maintaining the University’s identity we have to examine all traditions and ask which ones are important to those two goals, and I just don’t see that this meets that criteria.

 

[Irish#1]

Kind of hard to think they are working on a deal with the Big12 when Yormark just blasted Pete.

 

[Hautian Domer]

For those closer to these things, would ND now be willing to join a conference (SEC or Big12) that doesn’t align with ND academics? That has always been a key factor in past discussions.

I hate them as much as any, but the SEC has improved academically (Vanderbilt, Texas, Missouri, Texas A&M, Florida, Georgia). It isn’t the Big Ten or ACC, but the aforementioned are very strong schools

 

[ab2cmiller]

Kind of hard to think they are working on a deal with the Big12 when Yormack just blasted Pete.

If I was a betting man, the “negotiations” with the Big 12 and the Big East was probably just posturing in an attempt to gain some leverage for discussions with the Big Ten and the SEC.

Not that I think it would make much difference.

 

[NDPhilly]

Can only imagine how many “feelers” Yormack has put out to ND to make something work for them. They are desperate for a big brand to draw eye balls bc right now they have zero.

 

[GoIrish41]

Get the olympic sports back in the big east. It’s not that much worse than the ACC for most sports now, it has more teams in big cities for us to do alumni engagement and student recruitment, and it could probably also save money on travel.

I think UConn is the only team in Big East with a D1 football program. Most teams don’t do football at all. Play UConn once a year and make the conference agree to no football rev share. And we are suddenly independent again with a guaranteed W built in every year. Plenty of teams from every conference would still schedule ND and we already have some marquee programs locked in on the schedule. This would force defections from the ACC from programs already looking for an escape hatch.

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm going to be honest, it would be difficult for me to dislike any scheduling model more than our current setup. So tired of playing extremely boring ACC schools half the year. FSU/Miami were the only schools in the conference that came with any built in juice. Miami has dodged us so often that they are a non-factor and they won't come to South Bend, and FSU has been a joke essentially every year.

 

[MrNimbus]

"Everyone signed up for this"
No, we absolutely did not. Show me any team that was disrespected like us throughout the selection process. I hate the "join a conference" crowd the most. Miami has never won an acc title game. We're both 0-1 in the acc title game since 2005, and we were only in the conference for a single year. Wake forest has more acc titles than miami does. Spare me the faux outrage.

 

[NDWarrior]

Petey B at least appears to have a much better relationship with SEC's Sankey vs. with the Big12's Yormark.

Notre Dame AD Having Conversations With SEC

 

[IrishLax]

I'm going to be honest, it would be difficult for me to dislike any scheduling model more than our current setup. So tired of playing extremely boring ACC schools half the year. FSU/Miami were the only schools in the conference that came with any built in juice. Miami has dodged us so often that they are a non-factor and they won't come to South Bend, and FSU has been a joke essentially every year.

Yeah what do we actually lose by joining the Big Ten? Our "independence" is just playing a half-ACC schedule.

Join Big Ten on condition that we play USC every year, what do we lose? Probably end up with 4x marquee games a year as long as we keep scheduling teams like Bama/Texas/etc. out of conference in September.

EDIT: I guess the biggest thing we would lose, hypothetically, is the NBC deal but not sure how relevant that is if NBC is already tied in to the Big Ten. We are "independent" in name only right now.

 

[greyhammer90]

Yeah what do we actually lose by joining the Big Ten? Our "independence" is just playing a half-ACC schedule.

Join Big Ten on condition that we play USC every year, what do we lose? Probably end up with 4x marquee games a year as long as we keep scheduling teams like Bama/Texas/etc. out of conference in September.

The biggest thing we lose is the ability to unilaterally do awesome stuff like when the B1G said they weren't going to play in 2020 and we said "lol we will" (along with the satisfaction of pissing off ESPN). That has obvious value, but its exhausting to deal with this crap while the ACC can't field competent enough teams to at least make our schedule look passable. The fact that we lost out on our spot because those fuckwits couldn't even put together a competent tiebreaker is devastating.

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah what do we actually lose by joining the Big Ten? Our "independence" is just playing a half-ACC schedule.

Join Big Ten on condition that we play USC every year, what do we lose? Probably end up with 4x marquee games a year as long as we keep scheduling teams like Bama/Texas/etc. out of conference in September.

EDIT: I guess the biggest thing we would lose, hypothetically, is the NBC deal but not sure how relevant that is if NBC is already tied in to the Big Ten. We are "independent" in name only right now.

I tend to agree. The ACC does nothing for us at this point.
Does the Big Ten do the three annual rival games like the SEC does? If so, I'd demand USC, Sparty and Purdue and to keep control over home game scheduling with NBC (avoid noon kickoffs when possible). Schedule one marquee OOC early. Keep playing Navy. And pull the pin on the ACC in the process by bringing Carolina or Miami with us. (once they're out, Clemson and FSU will be free to go as well and the rest of them will crumble into dust).

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

The BIG12 commish is being brand loyal like all of the other deepthroaters. Guess where Big12 media rigths were given: ESPN. Guess who they have worked closely with? ACC - Guess who was hurt the most by ND not playing in the WHOGIVESAFUCK bowl? BYU, their other somewhat shiny star. He wanted the load, so he's stroking the dick. Doing so publicly is a choice.

 

[NDPhilly]

"Everyone signed up for this"
No, we absolutely did not. Show me any team that was disrespected like us throughout the selection process. I hate the "join a conference" crowd the most. Miami has never won an acc title game. We're both 0-1 in the acc title game since 2005, and we were only in the conference for a single year. Wake forest has more acc titles than miami does. Spare me the faux outrage.

You could put an incredible compilation video together of all the ABC / ESPN networks throughout Friday and Saturday going out of there way to say Miami needs to be in over ND and that Bama was a lock regardless of outcome. The ACC championship game ended with a 5 minute shot of McElroy explaining why Miami had to be in. It was purposeful and totally unnecessary.

This is really what I’m sure bothered Pete B the most. ND can attack the ACC publicly bc they are weak, but unfortunately Disney still controls the sport, so Pete is rightfully treading carefully.

 

[Dale]

Yeah what do we actually lose by joining the Big Ten? Our "independence" is just playing a half-ACC schedule.

Join Big Ten on condition that we play USC every year, what do we lose? Probably end up with 4x marquee games a year as long as we keep scheduling teams like Bama/Texas/etc. out of conference in September.

EDIT: I guess the biggest thing we would lose, hypothetically, is the NBC deal but not sure how relevant that is if NBC is already tied in to the Big Ten. We are "independent" in name only right now.

5 and 9 is a pretty big difference. It’s a third of the schedule.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Yeah what do we actually lose by joining the Big Ten? Our "independence" is just playing a half-ACC schedule.

Join Big Ten on condition that we play USC every year, what do we lose? Probably end up with 4x marquee games a year as long as we keep scheduling teams like Bama/Texas/etc. out of conference in September.

EDIT: I guess the biggest thing we would lose, hypothetically, is the NBC deal but not sure how relevant that is if NBC is already tied in to the Big Ten. We are "independent" in name only right now.

Even without the NBC deal, would Notre Dame be on television less than, say, Ohio State? Whats the worst that can happen? Some noon games? ...having to buy Peacock?

 

[greyhammer90]

Whats the worst that can happen? Some noon games? ...having to buy Peacock?

OK yeah we shouldnt join.

 

[stlnd01]

5 and 9 is a pretty big difference. It’s a third of the schedule.

I realize it varies a bit but this year we played six ACC teams - half the schedule.
Of the other half, there was USC, who we'd play in the Big 10, and Navy, who we could keep playing OOC. And then A&M (the marquee OOC game), Purdue (Big Ten), Arkansas (whatever), Boise (fun, but also whatever).
So if we have USC, Purdue, Sparty and a pick six of Big Ten teams, plus A&M, Navy and one more, that seems like a fine schedule, no?

 

[NDPhilly]

Plenty of Big 10 teams had as shitty SOS as us. It’s not a sure thing it would improve by joining.

I would need several years of getting fucked like this to be convinced to join.

 

[greyhammer90]

Plenty of Big 10 teams had as shitty SOS as us. It’s not a sure thing it would improve by joining.

I would need several years of getting fucked like this to be convinced to join.

In all seriousness, I didn't mean we should join with my original post. I just meant that from a scheduling perspective we are currently in just about the worst case scenario. I mean, we could do a similar schedule with the American conference and it would realistically provide the same number of wins worth a damn. (Close to zero).

 

[MacIrish75]

5 and 9 is a pretty big difference. It’s a third of the schedule.

Sure, but peel it away and it’s more like:

9 minus (next year)

+ SC
+ Wisconsin
+ MSU
+ Purdue

So really it’s a wash in terms of our ACC obligations vs Additional B1G schools. And I’d rather see us play 5 more B1G opponents than the shit roulette we get from the ACC.