Time for new partner: Big 10 or SEC?

[IrishLax]

Well everything that dude said matches what I was told / what I was saying here so I feel pretty good that it's accurate. People arguing with me on Twitter this morning that ND would "never" join the Big Ten as full member lmao... they have had an understanding with them going back to well before they added USC.

Only news is the Miami thing. Makes sense for Big 12, skeptical how it works for anyone else.

 

[DillonHall]

Largely repeating a post from a week ago in the scheduling thread.

End ACC agreement. Be fully independent. Schedule long-term deals with individual teams that are rivals. No conference agreements. Re-join the Big East in basketball.

USC
Navy
Stanford
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Pitt
BC
Miami
Georgia Tech/Indiana/Northwestern/Army/Air Force rotating
Ohio State/Penn State/Florida State/Clemson rotating
Major P4 (Alabama, Auburn, Nebraska, Texas, Tennessee, Oregon, etc.)

This is unrealistic. Why would any of those programs (other than Navy or maybe BC/Purdue) want to play ND? There will be less non-conference marquee games in the future

 

[IrishinSyria]

This is unrealistic. Why would any of those programs (other than Navy or maybe BC/Purdue) want to play ND? There will be less non-conference marquee games in the future

Best case scenario we front load all of the marquee games and constantly rerun the scheduling nightmare of playing the hardest September schedule and the easiest October November schedule of any of our peer schools.

 

[NDPhilly]

The Big 10 can say "all or nothing", but if the SEC offers a 4-game agreement that creates more premier NBC games for their product to compete against, is the B10 gonna just gonna let it happen?

 

[Dale]

What we need is to convince Miami and maybe a few more big teams to go independent. The move would only benefit larger brands as most of the mid to smaller power 4(ish) teams need the conference tv deals. Miami and ND have big enough brands to do better outside a conference.

I don’t think Miami could survive Independent

 

[Dale]

People arguing with me on Twitter this morning that ND would "never" join the Big Ten as full member lmao... they have had an understanding with them going back to well before they added USC.

Do you think they would join the Big Ten or the “Big Ten” which would reach excess of 20 schools and involve defections from the ACC?

It’s like could they join the NFC North or the entire NFC.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

This is a massive chess match with an array of options so large it's dizzying.

If any of this is true, ND must feel there is a case to be made that damages were done by the ACC against their brand or the ACC did not fulfill their obligations in the contract. Who has the contract and who can dissect it well enough to tell us where there are some holes for ND to leverage?

It sounds like ND has some additional bargaining power if Miami is willing to offer themselves as an interested partner. This does a couple things:

• creates a series of options where revenue and scheduling can be weighed against each other
• creates a market that allows ND to float alternative options to Miami - perhaps ND wants to help disrupt the entire model with NBC. Maybe there are other options with other broadcast partners. Netflix recently purchased HBO/Max and Warner Brothers. There is a strong current in the broadcast and visual media waters

There are likely many companies who'd be interested in this market. That's as far I can go without talking out my ass. I don't know which companies are competing with each other, I don't know what the most recent moves have been and I don't know what we could be doing but I'll say this: Bevacqua is the perfect AD for something like this. Despite his career with NBC, he's not tied to anyone and he understands the company and the market.

 

[JD Irish]

This is unrealistic. Why would any of those programs (other than Navy or maybe BC/Purdue) want to play ND? There will be less non-conference marquee games in the future

We already have future games scheduled with Alabama, Texas, Auburn, Florida, Clemson, Indiana, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Michigan. We've recently played regular season games against Ohio State, Texas A&M, BYU, Georgia, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, etc. It seems plenty of teams are interested in scheduling us.

 

[GATTACA!]

This is a massive chess match with an array of options so large it's dizzying.

If any of this is true, ND must feel there is a case to be made that damages were done by the ACC against their brand or the ACC did not fulfill their obligations in the contract. Who has the contract and who can dissect it well enough to tell us where there are some holes for ND to leverage?

It sounds like ND has some additional bargaining power if Miami is willing to offer themselves as an interested partner. This does a couple things:

• creates a series of options where revenue and scheduling can be weighed against each other
• creates a market that allows ND to float alternative options to Miami - perhaps ND wants to help disrupt the entire model with NBC. Maybe there are other options with other broadcast partners. Netflix recently purchased HBO/Max and Warner Brothers. There is a strong current in the broadcast and visual media waters

There are likely many companies who'd be interested in this market. That's as far I can go without talking out my ass. I don't know which companies are competing with each other, I don't know what the most recent moves have been and I don't know what we could be doing but I'll say this: Bevacqua is the perfect AD for something like this. Despite his career with NBC, he's not tied to anyone and he understands the company and the market.

The B1G has no footprint in Florida. Perhaps this is a move to try and pit the B1G and Big12 against each other to get ourselves what we want out of the B1G?

 

[IrishLax]

Do you think they would join the Big Ten or the “Big Ten” which would reach excess of 20 schools and involve defections from the ACC?

It’s like could they join the NFC North or the entire NFC.

My understanding ... and this might be outdated now ... is that no matter what configuration the Big Ten takes they and ND have an understanding that ND will come on board if the time comes when ND is forced to affiliate somewhere. Big Ten is not applying pressure to ND to join and also isn't going to take all of their sports teams minus football (though they did take hockey which is a clear sign that they're playing nice in the sandbox).

The scenarios discussed were joining a similarly sized Big Ten; joining a super-sized Big Ten that involves adding at least +1 Carolina school, +Georgia Tech, +1 Florida school to get to 20 teams; and affiliating with them + SEC + a few select others in a "super league." No one knows what the "super league" would actually look like and everyone is in a holding pattern for the federal legislation to be passed (low priority for politicians, high priority for the schools). The Big Ten supports the SCORE act which would allow for conference inequity similar to the status quo. Most seem to think that any sort of "super league" would get sued into oblivion but it's what the TV networks want... a junior NFL. I don't think ND likes the idea of a super league, but I don't know that for a fact.

 

[thekid33]

I don’t think Miami could survive Independent

Agreed

Teams that could be Independent (other than ND)

Locks: Michigan, Ohio St. Texas, Alabama, Georgia

Possibly: USC, A&M, Oregon (Nike $), Penn State

I am not convinced that any of the Florida schools could.

 

[thekid33]

We already have future games scheduled with Alabama, Texas, Auburn, Florida, Clemson, Indiana, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Michigan. We've recently played regular season games against Ohio State, Texas A&M, BYU, Georgia, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, etc. It seems plenty of teams are interested in scheduling us.

In September, yes.

Nobody wants to do it after that.

 

[Huntr]

I don't think ND likes the idea of a super league, but I don't know that for a fact.

Staples and Godfrey said on their pod ND was one of the ones leading the discussion for that.

Exactly what that means, they didn't say.

But they did say that, then point out Bevacqua has been on record saying that he doesn't support it right now.

 

[NDWarrior]

This is a massive chess match with an array of options so large it's dizzying.

If any of this is true, ND must feel there is a case to be made that damages were done by the ACC against their brand or the ACC did not fulfill their obligations in the contract. Who has the contract and who can dissect it well enough to tell us where there are some holes for ND to leverage?

It sounds like ND has some additional bargaining power if Miami is willing to offer themselves as an interested partner. This does a couple things:

• creates a series of options where revenue and scheduling can be weighed against each other
• creates a market that allows ND to float alternative options to Miami - perhaps ND wants to help disrupt the entire model with NBC. Maybe there are other options with other broadcast partners. Netflix recently purchased HBO/Max and Warner Brothers. There is a strong current in the broadcast and visual media waters

There are likely many companies who'd be interested in this market. That's as far I can go without talking out my ass. I don't know which companies are competing with each other, I don't know what the most recent moves have been and I don't know what we could be doing but I'll say this: Bevacqua is the perfect AD for something like this. Despite his career with NBC, he's not tied to anyone and he understands the company and the market.

In the words of Lee Corso, "not so fast..." One small but important thing - Skydance Paramount and David Ellison just put in a higher per share hostile bid for WBD, but unsure how that will play out between them and Netflix getting WBD.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Agreed

Teams that could be Independent (other than ND)

Locks: Michigan, Ohio St. Texas, Alabama, Georgia

Possibly: USC, A&M, Oregon (Nike $), Penn State

I am not convinced that any of the Florida schools could.

I’m not convinced Bama or Pedophile State could, for different reasons. But otherwise, I think you’re spot on.

 

[thekid33]

Staples and Godfrey said on their pod ND was one of the ones leading the discussion for that.

Exactly what that means, they didn't say.

But they did say that, then point out Bevacqua has been on record saying that he doesn't support it right now.

I took it as we don't want that to happen but if the writing is on the wall that it's going to happen we not only intend to be included but also want to play a leading role in shaping it.

 

[thekid33]

I’m not convinced Bama or Pedophile State could, for different reasons. But otherwise, I think you’re spot on.

Bama, pre-Saban I'd have said no.

Their enrollment increased so much since he took over and a decent number are not kids from the south.

They really are a national brand now.

I'm not really convinced about Pedo St. either.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Staples and Godfrey said on their pod ND was one of the ones leading the discussion for that.

Exactly what that means, they didn't say.

But they did say that, then point out Bevacqua has been on record saying that he doesn't support it right now.

The irony in "ND needs to join a conference! Harrumph!" and then ND turns around and creates a massive Super League.

 

[IrishBryan77]

The irony in "ND needs to join a conference! Harrumph!" and then ND turns around and creates a massive Super League.

Yes please to the super league. 👍

 

[Huntr]

The irony in "ND needs to join a conference! Harrumph!" and then ND turns around and creates a massive Super League.

"We will not be in a conference...and neither will you!"

 

[ulukinatme]

The irony in "ND needs to join a conference! Harrumph!" and then ND turns around and creates a massive Super League.

 

[Mike Petrik]

Wow. As a lifelong ND fan and a Duke alum I must say I'm astonished at the ignorance of so many of the posts on this thread. Do you seriously think that either the B1G or the SEC covet ND as a "business partner" in an arrangement that preserves football independence? Really? That is delusional. All the P4 conference would love to have ND as a full member, no question. But only the ACC and the Big 12 would cut the deal y'all seem to want.
And your anger toward the ACC is ridiculous. Of course, the ACC is going to lobby for its member, and no doubt it was unhappy that it had to be at the expense of its self-described "business partner." But a duty is a duty for crying out loud. It was ND who chose to be the ACC's girlfriend but not on Saturday night, and now it throws a fit when the ACC has another date for Saturday night?
And yes, the Irish deserved a spot and got jobbed. But not by Miami, which was also deserving, or the ACC, but by the Committee that put its thumb on the scale in favor of the SEC's Alabama. So, what is your response? To a lot of you, it is a bizarre let's change dance partners to the SEC -- the conference that jobbed you and does not want the relationship to which you think you are entitled.
Holy smoke, gents. Not a good look.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Wow. As a lifelong ND fan and a Duke alum I must say I'm astonished at the ignorance of so many of the posts on this thread. Do you seriously think that either the B1G or the SEC covet ND as a "business partner" in an arrangement that preserves football independence? Really? That is delusional. All the P4 conference would love to have ND as a full member, no question. But only the ACC and the Big 12 would cut the deal y'all seem to want.
And your anger toward the ACC is ridiculous. Of course, the ACC is going to lobby for its member, and no doubt it was unhappy that it had to be at the expense of its self-described "business partner." But a duty is a duty for crying out loud. It was ND who chose to be the ACC's girlfriend but not on Saturday night, and now it gets made when the ACC has another date on Saturday night?
And yes, the Irish deserved a spot and got jobbed. But not by Miami, which was also deserving, or the ACC, but by the Committee that put its thumb on the scale in favor of the SEC's Alabama. So, what is your response? To a lot of you, it is a bizarre let's change dance partners to the SEC -- the conference that jobbed you and does not want the relationship to which you think you are entitled.
Holy smoke, gents. Not a good look.

Admins, ban this clown

 

[Mike Petrik]

Admins, ban this clown

In that case, I hope they have the decency to grant me emeritus status.

 

[Huntr]

Not a good look.

Nobody cares on a message board.

 

[irish2104]

Wow. As a lifelong ND fan and a Duke alum I must say I'm astonished at the ignorance of so many of the posts on this thread. Do you seriously think that either the B1G or the SEC covet ND as a "business partner" in an arrangement that preserves football independence? Really? That is delusional. All the P4 conference would love to have ND as a full member, no question. But only the ACC and the Big 12 would cut the deal y'all seem to want.
And your anger toward the ACC is ridiculous. Of course, the ACC is going to lobby for its member, and no doubt it was unhappy that it had to be at the expense of its self-described "business partner." But a duty is a duty for crying out loud. It was ND who chose to be the ACC's girlfriend but not on Saturday night, and now it throws a fit when the ACC has another date for Saturday night?
And yes, the Irish deserved a spot and got jobbed. But not by Miami, which was also deserving, or the ACC, but by the Committee that put its thumb on the scale in favor of the SEC's Alabama. So, what is your response? To a lot of you, it is a bizarre let's change dance partners to the SEC -- the conference that jobbed you and does not want the relationship to which you think you are entitled.
Holy smoke, gents. Not a good look.

Can we ban this person please obviously and idiot troll with no life

 

[Huntr]

And, really, if you think guys blowing off steam in fantasy land is bad, stay far the fuck away from game day threads.


Those are like a septic tank leaked into an insane asylum.

 

[pumpdog20]

This big 12 talk is gross. At least the ACC has Miami, Clemson, and FSU. Brands you can pretend are top shelf.

The Big 12 has... Deion?

 

[RudyVerse]

Wow. As a lifelong ND fan and a Duke alum I must say I'm astonished at the ignorance of so many of the posts on this thread. Do you seriously think that either the B1G or the SEC covet ND as a "business partner" in an arrangement that preserves football independence? Really? That is delusional. All the P4 conference would love to have ND as a full member, no question. But only the ACC and the Big 12 would cut the deal y'all seem to want.
And your anger toward the ACC is ridiculous. Of course, the ACC is going to lobby for its member, and no doubt it was unhappy that it had to be at the expense of its self-described "business partner." But a duty is a duty for crying out loud. It was ND who chose to be the ACC's girlfriend but not on Saturday night, and now it throws a fit when the ACC has another date for Saturday night?
And yes, the Irish deserved a spot and got jobbed. But not by Miami, which was also deserving, or the ACC, but by the Committee that put its thumb on the scale in favor of the SEC's Alabama. So, what is your response? To a lot of you, it is a bizarre let's change dance partners to the SEC -- the conference that jobbed you and does not want the relationship to which you think you are entitled.
Holy smoke, gents. Not a good look.

Someone do the Dave Ramsey meme.

"So you think you're a big deal"?

"Yes Dave".

"You think any conference would take you just like that!?"

"Yes Dave".

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

This big 12 talk is gross. At least the ACC has Miami, Clemson, and FSU. Brands you can pretend are top shelf.

The Big 12 has... Deion?

I mean, you need a partner. It won’t be the SEC or BIG. What else are we going to do?

Besides, once the ACC burns down ( it’s inevitable) we will still schedule those three teams you mentioned.

So we play four big 12 teams, so what? It no worse than having to play NC State, Wake and Duke